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SolennelBern

Rebels: 3 great ships or 4 ok ships?

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I honestly don't think you can underestimate the value of that 4th ship.

 

But have a purpose for it.  Don't just take a 4th just for the sake of having 4.

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I tried so many times to run 3 good small ships but it just doesnt seem to work in a serious setting (thats a problem I have with the game frankly, the elite pilots are just too big an opportunity cost.)

 

What I found I really like is XXBB or XXXB. What I have lined up this week is:

 

Wedge + Marksmanship

Rookie

Rookie

Blue Squadron + Advanced Sensors

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Well, lets look at the different ships that could be "squeezed" in.

HWK, A, Y, X

Rookie is probably the go to (or Blue if you have another point, but at that point, it's hardly squeezing in), but often he won't fit without sacrifices elsewhere.

 

So then you drop down to the Gold... The Gold is pretty much as survivable as the Prototype, it holds up a bit better at R1 than the Prototype does, but otherwise, no real advantage.  Furthermore, the A has a much better dial, better actions, but is 1 PS lower, which can be useful.  

 

So then we've basically ruled out squeezing in a Gold, in favor of the Prototype.  The prototype is a much better blocker due to its maneuverability and lower PS.  But it doesn't do well as your last ship.  Due to it's PS1, everyone should be moving after it, making it difficult to know whether you should boost, TL, or Evade.  At that point in the game, there's very little point to Focus since Evade is better on defense, and TL is better on offense, especially since if you don't use it, it sticks around for the next turn.  Obviously boost could be the best option, but it's hard to know for sure.

And then lastly, there's the 16 point HWK.  Which by itself is 100% useless.  Never take a 16 point Rebel Operative.  

 

Therefore, you'll find your options for the 4th ship to be X/B, used to bolster the attack strength, or A, used as a flanker/mosquito/blocker.

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Depending on your league or usual opponents, why don't you agree to play some matches with only unique pilots so you can play some quality matches instead of just defaulting to boring quantity?

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Forget that, 6 rebel list FTW!

 

6x Rebel Operative

 

That gives you 4 points for initiative!

 

...

 

Ok, I'm not buying it either. :)

 

Yeah, generally 4 ships is preferable to 3. It means losing one isn't a serious blow to your chances of winning. 3 Ship rebels can be quite potent, granted, but it takes a lot more skill and a bit of luck to pull it off.

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Quantity in general, but...

 

It's been ages since I've regularly run a 4 ship Rebel build. I got so used to flying Lando/Green/Rookie and Jan/Ibti/Garven that I use almost exclusively those two builds during tournaments while exercising other options in casual play. So yes, you can fly 3 ship Rebel build in competitive environment, if you have enough guts and a bit of luck, of course.

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As Sable says... a 3 reb ship can work, but it's harder to pull off. You really have to be careful, because loss of one ship is a pretty major blow.

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How about what ever is most fun? 

 

I played with my son today. I asked him do you really only want one ship. And he reminded me of something. "I want to have fun Daddy and learn how to use this ship."

 

Sometimes it's nice to use more powerful ships and loose and have fun than have 4 boring ships and win. 

 

I guess been hanging around too many 40K forums where people need to win with plastic toy soldiers. Nice to have fun and loose. 

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Nice, the 4th ship is generally a must. 

 

It's **** hard though, when you don't play often, to build a good 4 ship Rebels squad.  I'm trying but there's so much stuff I want to experiment that I rarely play the same squad and end up doing poorly against good players that know what they're doing.

 

Need...more...time...

 

@Davor: Yeah i'm all for that too and mostly build around one prime element, fun.  But playing in a meta of great players that have hundreds of games when you have at most 30, the fun comes from winning and less from the pilot/ship you really want to play :P

 

But that is the best advice for all things in life: Have fun cause fun is halfway to victory.

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4 ships is more likely to work against a swarm.  Figure you stand a good chance of loosing a ship to an alpha strike - would you rather lose a 21 point ship, or a 35 point ship right away?

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What would you consider the best overall approach for a Rebels squad?

 

Quantity or Quality?

If your going 3 you will need to run engine upgrades to make it worth it.

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I regularly run a 3 ship Rebel list with great success.

 

Wedge, Ibti and Jan.

 

It is a scalpel list, but that is generally my preference.

That actual sounds extremely fun to play

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I recommend a four ship list with a heavy hitter, a support ship, and two low PS ships for extra attacks and pilots. Biggest exception would be a powerful falcon list, which is definitely a viable approach.

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I had a bit of success with 2x Dagger Squadron with HLC's and Advanced Sensors, and Luke with R2-D2, but am reconsidering that in favor of something 4-ship

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What would you consider the best overall approach for a Rebels squad?

 

Quantity or Quality?

 

With three ships, the margin of error is small, and upgrading three rebel ships doesn't make up for the lack of a fourth ship defensively, nor do you have enough firepower to take down your enemy quickly enough.   The good news is there are a lot of four ship builds that allow both.  I fly four ship builds and regularly have two named pilots with a couple of upgrades and two unamed, lower PS skill pilots.

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One thing that is being overlooked in this 3 v 4 argument is PS. Three rebels of the type I posted will almost certainly kill one of your four ships before you shoot back. That makes it 3 vs 3 and then I have the higher PS next round again.

 

This is not theory. I've flown that build over two dozen times against all types of list, Imp and Rebel and lost only once to Han and 2x Blue B and that was with the HWK going down to the last B with 2 Hull left.

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I don't think it's 3 Greats vs 4 Okays.

I think it's 3 Greats vs 4 Goods vs 5 Good/Okay mixed.

 

All have their merits, but the more ships your opponent has to chew through, the harder it is for them to win, typically.

 

Of course, I prefer 6 kinda bads with 1 Great (a Howlrunner Swarm)

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Quantity without a doubt. Elite pilots are virtually useless. I ran a 3 ship build at worlds and I flew flawlessly. However I couldn`t survive the fire coming at me. 2 of my games literally came to a dice roll that I lost.

Yes 3 elite pilots shoot first......however I disagree they can take down one of the 4 ships. Because no matter how low that lower pilot is they have defense dice or hull to dampen or nullify that awesome attack. It can be done but it has everything to do with dice and nothing to do with skill.

Play quality for fun and if you don`t mind losing the vast majority of your games. If you want to win bring 4 ships. Or better yet 5.

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