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Star Wars: Rebels

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Great couldn't they leave the Jedi out of the series since the are mostly dead? :Seriously the focus on Jedi over everything else is what's been ruining the EU, and ruined The Clone Wars for me. Now they are doing a series in a period where there are almost no Jedi and still including a former Jedi as one of the mains. :(

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From the sounds of things, it seems like they're hoping to channel a bit of Kyle Katarn from the Dark Forces/Jedi Knight series of video games, particularly Dark Forces 2 and Jedi Outcast where Kyle had to set aside the usual tools of the trade (blasters, grenades, and such) and take up the lightsaber and the Force to fulfill his mission/quest.  Also sounds like a bit of Zayne Carrick (from the KOTOR comics) in that Kanan doesn't sound like he's going to be an instant ace with the Force, but rather has to struggle to re-learn skills he's not used in over a decade; Zayne was the lead character that wasn't a prodigy of any sort, and in fact had a lot of trouble using the Force... until the odds were really stacked against him.

 

And much as folks might not like it, the Jedi are far and away the most iconic character types of the setting, and there are folks that reveled in the Jedi being one of the major points of focus of The Clone Wars.

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It's not unreasonable that this guy could be one of the 'stragglers', and he's just one of six main characters, not necessarily the lead guy. Plus it's pretty much guaranteed that he's gonna snuff it somewhere down the line, so why not let him have his day in the sun.  :P

 

I really enjoyed the Clone Wars - with Dave Filoni at the helm, I'm content to sit back and let the entertainment happen.  :)

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The above actually sounds like a pretty good summation of the character's appearance and synopsis, considering that the story is set while Luke's still a teenager.

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One other possibility about Kanan...

 

He's the Obi-Wan to another member of the group, helping that person discover what it means to be a Jedi and to be able to use the Force.  And by the end of the first season is either killed (making a defiant/heroic final stand against a major villain like the Inquisitor) or otherwise taken out of action, requiring a younger, less jaded novice Jedi to step up to the plate.

 

Just because the voice actor is somebody relatively famous isn't a guarantee of protection.  Consider Game of Thrones and how heavily Sean Bean's character was promoted during the initial season, while those of us that had read the books merely chuckled at the casting choice (seriously, most of the characters he plays winds up dead by movie's end).

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Can we please not have a retread of the older Jedi dying and the younger one carrying the torch onward? Why not have him rediscover what it means to be a Jedi, and in the meantime mentor a young person in what it means to use the Force for the good of all? Why does he need to die?

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Well, i am one of those that is not happy about 2 Force users among the main protagonists.

Yes, i know that wizards with laser-wands are a big part of SW, but do we really need an ex-Knight and a Force Sensitive?

I would object less to nothing if one of the main cast discovers during a story arc his/her Force sensitivity and a holocron to teach him/her. But a Jedi that has been hiding for about 15 years to avoid those Inquisitors and Vader?

Way to go to render the last years obsolete and paint a huge 'Kill me!' sign over yourself.

So far they have hunted and killed those other Jedis they found. Which means they are very good at killing Force users.

Now ... how long are we going to take the Empire and his Inquisitor serious as opponents when they cannot do their job?

Sooner or later, someone in the cast is going to die.

And our Jedi-on-the-run is the one with the biggest mark on his head.

If we look at TCW as a reference, just count how many Jedis and Clones die althoug the Separatists are loosing the war due to the heroes ruining their plans time and time again? In this show the cast of expendable characters is even smaller.

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I'm sort of camping outside both camps. It could be cool if one is keen on glow stick rave party monks being kick ass (which I'm not), or if going purist and conservative preferring a "true" representation based on some notions derived from what was shown (or wasn't) in the original trilogy (selecting what is preferred from the special edition, dvd release and the bluray release), it can be serious crap with Jedi and forcies jumping about... but to make that judgement before we've seen anything is pretty dumb I think. Of course, once a decision is made it often becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy and one will prove oneself right, whatever the outcome.

 

I think Kanan sounds like a cool character, and Chopper too. It'll be childish and recycled, but it'll be Star Wars and if Filoni continues his good work, this will be as entertaining as the Clone Wars, just give it a season or two (the first season of TCW wasn't that great... remember?).

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Can we please not have a retread of the older Jedi dying and the younger one carrying the torch onward? Why not have him rediscover what it means to be a Jedi, and in the meantime mentor a young person in what it means to use the Force for the good of all? Why does he need to die?

Actually, it's a common element of Japanese stories, with the older mentor character having to pass the torch to the younger student.  It also has to do with their view of what a hero is.  To their view, Han Solo isn't a really a hero in the Original Trilogy because he didn't have to work and grow to be awesome; when we met Han, he was already an expert pilot, handy in a fight, and had a cool ship.  Luke on the other hand had none of that; his piloting skills were raw talent (backed by the Force), didn't have much experience with combat, and was a farm boy that had just lost everything he'd ever known, and by RotJ had become a powerful and cunning warrior; as such, he's the true hero of the Original Trilogy, having gone through numerous ups and downs over the course of the three films before achieving victory (though it was a bittersweet one given that while he did manage to redeem his father, Anakin died soon after).

 

Depending on how it's handled in the series, it could be a very compelling aspect to the character of Kanan, perhaps as an affirmation of what being a Jedi means, both to himself in his final moments and to the younger character whom he's been serving as a mentor to.  To pull a line from Gurren Lagaan, "the hero of today makes way for the hero of tomorrow, just as the hero of tomorrow makes way for the hero of today."  Thus one of the major complaints of the post-RotJ novel series, in that the Heroes of Yavin never really passed the torch to the next generation (Jaina and Ben at this point are the only ones left).

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Really, i thought it was a rather good reboot. And since i have the original one in my DVD-collection (and watched several times) i better not point out the weak points of the old one.

Although i miss the baby food running gag.

 

And could we please not use Samuel L Jackson in about every movie? I am really tired and bored of his face, voice and attitude.

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Meh. As a movie it was fun enough. Love the original, warts and all. Still a classic. The big thing this new movie will sufferbfrom isbbeing compared to the original.

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And could we please not use Samuel L Jackson in about every movie? I am really tired and bored of his face, voice and attitude.

 

I didnt mind seeing Sammy on the screen. What tripped me out was his hair. He looks SO much better as the bald badass.

 

At the risk of completely derailing the thread, I will quickly summarize my hatred for Robocop '14:

 

First was the complete lack of strong Bad Guy. There's no Clarence Boddicker, no Dick Jones, no Cain - who while trapped in a crappy  movie was still a pretty strong villain. The drug lord here was a non-entity (and vanished pretty quickly from the film) and the OCP overlord was kind of sleazy, but mostly harmless  until the final reel when he suddenly started pointing guns a children. It was as if someone at the final draft stage of the scripting process said "Hey! OCP was bad! We should make our faceless megacooperation bad too!" and then never bothered to actually rewrite the previous 180 pages to actually reflect that.

There was nothing memorable about the movie, nothing iconic. There was no melting man, no "Bitches, leave", no I'd Buy That For a Dollar guy, no good quotable lines (that weren't recycled from the first film), there was nothing that stood out as truly awesome, meme-worthy moments.

And most importantly - what is the movie about? There was a clear central theme that resonated throughout the '87 Robocop that they danced briefly with here but never exploited - well, until the very end on the rooftop showdown where Corrupt OCP Boss said "You're nothing but a robot". No he's not - he's been a human in a goofy rubber suit the whole movie long.

The original worked so well because - aside from the satire and cool action bits - there was a compelling story arc about humanity, where Murphy goes from ordinary guy to soulless automaton and back to human being (in spirit, if not body). Underneath all the explosions and squibs, there was heart. But here, there was never a triumph of the human spirit. Murphy never struggled with his lack of humanity, OCP never treated him like property (well, aside from Australian Weapons Jerk). He was always Alex and never Robocop.

The flick is at it's best when it's playing with the idea of instead of a machine coming to terms with being a man (like the first one), it explores a man coming to terms being trapped in a machine. The first "We Can See Your Brain" scene was actually pretty **** powerful. But the movie didn't do anything with those moments.

 

If the movie was called Cyber Police Enforcer 2000, this would have been a very average action flick. But when you add in all the baggage of the first one, this remake does nothing for me. . .

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Looking at Ezra, I see more than a few passing similarities to the Force-sensitive street rat that I was playing in a Skype game; started out on his own, not really interested in the Rebellion, using wits and skulduggery to survive, but my character was a bit more knowledgeable about the Force and the Jedi.  The similarities certainly amuse the hell out of me, as I've had this happen before on a few occasions, one of which was a Rebellion Era fan-fic I was working with a female lead that turned out to be very similar to one Juno Eclipse; I wound up scrapping that character as by the time I would be finished Force Unleashed would be on shelves and likely accused of not being original with the character.

 

While TCW left me flat, the more they reveal about this series, the more I think I might enjoy it.

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