Lance quality?

[Vandegraffe 27]

Okay, haven't seen this on the forums anywhere...

 

It looks like there is a contradiction in the rules for the 'lance' weapon quality.  The rules state that the penetration for a lance shot is equal to P x (1+D), where P = the weapon's base penetration, and D = the Degrees of success.  But, the example at the end contradicts this, where a hit with 1 DoS and a base Pen 5 has a total Pen of 5. 

 

Which is correct?  I am confused...

 

Cheers,

- V.

[SolP 13]

Hmm it looks like you're on to something...
I think the issue lie in FFGs persisting problems with the first DoS, does a succefull roll grant you the first DoS, or is it when you succed your roll by 10%.

 

I would say that the first part is correct, since the base pen seems rather low for a heavy weapon/tank-killer, I mean pen5 would'n get you through light carapace. So the weapons pen would always be P + (P x DoS), as you wrote.

[bogi_khaosa 267]

As a general rule, everywhere where something says "2 degrees of success," it should say "2 extra degrees of success,"

 

There are many many such issues involving copy-pasting from earlier game lines that had a slightly different mechanic.

[WilliamAsher 82]

Actually, for Only War making the check is your first DoS.  See page 31 of the rulebook.  It can be confusing because the other games only counted extra DoS. 

[bogi_khaosa 267]

Right, but a lot of the RAW has not been converted into the Only War rules.

[Vandegraffe 27]

^{Hmm, I'm not seeing a definitive answer on this.  If Bogi_khaosa is right, then the example in the book makes sense.  However, that does indeed result in an anti-tank weapon with potentially quite low penetration.  Then again, you're not likely to see more than about pen 10 unless you're packing a Melta at short range.  Has anyone gotten an official ruling from FFG?}

^Cheers,

^{- V.}

[bogi_khaosa 267]

If you wanted to make Lance function approximately as it does in TT, what you would do is have it treat all AP values over a certain point as the same -- say, anything over 20 would count as 20 -- rather than giving it high Pen.

 

Anyway like I said, I am 99% sure that it should be "2 extra degrees of success," as in most places in the book where the same error occurs.

Edited February 20, 2014 by bogi_khaosa