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I could sort of, maybe, possibly see the point if they had some form of auto adjustment. Rotating to maximize the exposure to solar energy that they recieve...maybe. Except that for one thing that would be needlessly complex and for another, and this is the fundamental flaw with TIEs anyway, once you get outsystem or into deep space solar panels become increasingly useless anyway

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its not a fan......

its already cold in space, they would need space heaters before fans.....

pun intended.

I thought the issue is keeping it cold because there is nothing to pass heat onto in space and therefore theres nothing to pass the heat onto but the ship itself

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its not a fan......

its already cold in space, they would need space heaters before fans.....

pun intended.

I thought the issue is keeping it cold because there is nothing to pass heat onto in space and therefore theres nothing to pass the heat onto but the ship itself

 

That's correct, cooling is the issue in space, because you can only lose heat via radiation, which isn't a very effective method of heat removal for objects with a low surface area relative to their power output. 

Consider something using very high energy weapons and systems, that's a lot of excess heat you will be generating to shed, even if the systems are quite efficient. If we tried to make a Tie Defender at our current tech level, it would probably melt itself from its engine heat. 

Some explanations of the tie fighter panels are that they are actually giant heatsink-***-radiators. The notion that they are solar collectors does somewhat stretch suspension of disbelief. I think the 'cooling' notion is also why S-foils need to be opened for many ships to use their guns; the extra heat generated needs a larger surface area over which to be dispersed.

 

So, depending on how you interpret the canon, the extra wings are for either heat dispersal or the increased energy demands.

More importantly, they are hella stylish.

 

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Yeah - I think we all agree S-foils and TIE wings have been retconned into being radiators. Some sources suggest or assume that the wings of TIE craft are solar power collectors. Unfortunately, this cannot be one of the wings' significant functions. Sunshine and starshine are not sufficient to power the propulsion, weapons or any other major mechanism of any craft which is as potent and dynamic as a TIE-series starship. If the fighter is operating in space near a habitable planet, the sunlight will provide no more than about a kilowatt per square metre. (Assuming G-type star at 1AU and perfect efficiency on the panels) The common TIE has an array area of just over a hundred square metres. (over both wings i.e. only half can be pointed at sun at a time) At this rate, it would take at least several weeks to accrue enough energy to enter or escape the gravity-well of a planet. The energy requirements for hyperspace jumps, made by the non-combat TIEs and the most advanced fighter models, are much more extreme.

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the retconning makes a lot more sense but that is a heck of a lot of radiator space which doesnt seem efficient considering how little in comparison the other fighters use

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could they convert the heat they produce into whatever type of energy is necessary to power them and therefore only need fuel to take off?

The short answer is "not really." At least if we're trying to apply real-world physics to Star Wars, which is a losing battle to start with. You could theoretically recapture some of the heat, but not all of it and would still need some sort of radiator.

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the retconning makes a lot more sense but that is a heck of a lot of radiator space which doesnt seem efficient considering how little in comparison the other fighters use

 

It is when you consider the fact that the ship's engine and lasers are extremely tiny compared to the larger versions on Rebel fighters, yet are also just as capable, if not moreso.

 

If you're using smaller systems but getting the same performance out of them, something's got to give. They generally give off a lot more heat than a larger system which has the same output. This is why performance race cars typically have more extensive cooling systems than a stock car, even though their engines are about the same size. They need to bleed off all that excess energy somehow.

 

TIE Fighter solar radiators do the same thing, because their advanced engines also tend to produce a lot of heat. They radiate this waste heat into space using the waffle-pattern radiators, thus giving them the ability to be light weight and still pack a reasonable punch.

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the retconning makes a lot more sense but that is a heck of a lot of radiator space which doesnt seem efficient considering how little in comparison the other fighters use

 

Their has not been a retcon about TIEs not using Solar pannels.  Star Wars complete vehicles just came out at the end of 2013 and it still shows them using solar pannels in extreme detail.  Take in mind what they in SW are using are waymore advanced to what we are using now, with materials, with specific reactions, we don't have.  Our solar pannels would be like a glider compared to their Geometeric Swing wing turbo fan fighter, th SW pannels and solar energization process.

 

 

the retconning makes a lot more sense but that is a heck of a lot of radiator space which doesnt seem efficient considering how little in comparison the other fighters use

 

It is when you consider the fact that the ship's engine and lasers are extremely tiny compared to the larger versions on Rebel fighters, yet are also just as capable, if not moreso.

 

If you're using smaller systems but getting the same performance out of them, something's got to give. They generally give off a lot more heat than a larger system which has the same output. This is why performance race cars typically have more extensive cooling systems than a stock car, even though their engines are about the same size. They need to bleed off all that excess energy somehow.

 

TIE Fighter solar radiators do the same thing, because their advanced engines also tend to produce a lot of heat. They radiate this waste heat into space using the waffle-pattern radiators, thus giving them the ability to be light weight and still pack a reasonable punch.

 

 

Something interesting to point out.  The SFS L-s9.3 Laser Cannons on the TIE Avenger, Defender, and Interceptor length wise are the longest out of all the ships in SW and have the most mass based on the TIE Interceptor cross-section.

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What you are all forgetting is that the panels are made of a very magical material... I mean why else are there no unicorns in star wars?  The empire clearly hunted them to near extinction for powering thier warmachine. 

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What you are all forgetting is that the panels are made of a very magical material... I mean why else are there no unicorns in star wars?  The empire clearly hunted them to near extinction for powering thier warmachine. 

 

Are you sure?  I thought Cthulu used ultra compresed Unicorn horns to make Kaiburry crystals as a gift to the Jedi... Or am I thinking of SoulCalibur =p

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Well the Jedi scour lost worlds (where they used to slaughter the unicorns) and mutipurposed the "crystal" (horns) into thier lightsabers so that no bit of the majestic beast would go to waste.  You  know, one with the world, and all that...

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the retconning makes a lot more sense but that is a heck of a lot of radiator space which doesnt seem efficient considering how little in comparison the other fighters use

 

Their has not been a retcon about TIEs not using Solar pannels.  Star Wars complete vehicles just came out at the end of 2013 and it still shows them using solar pannels in extreme detail.  Take in mind what they in SW are using are waymore advanced to what we are using now, with materials, with specific reactions, we don't have.  Our solar pannels would be like a glider compared to their Geometeric Swing wing turbo fan fighter, th SW pannels and solar energization process.

 

 

the retconning makes a lot more sense but that is a heck of a lot of radiator space which doesnt seem efficient considering how little in comparison the other fighters use

 

It is when you consider the fact that the ship's engine and lasers are extremely tiny compared to the larger versions on Rebel fighters, yet are also just as capable, if not moreso.

 

If you're using smaller systems but getting the same performance out of them, something's got to give. They generally give off a lot more heat than a larger system which has the same output. This is why performance race cars typically have more extensive cooling systems than a stock car, even though their engines are about the same size. They need to bleed off all that excess energy somehow.

 

TIE Fighter solar radiators do the same thing, because their advanced engines also tend to produce a lot of heat. They radiate this waste heat into space using the waffle-pattern radiators, thus giving them the ability to be light weight and still pack a reasonable punch.

 

 

Something interesting to point out.  The SFS L-s9.3 Laser Cannons on the TIE Avenger, Defender, and Interceptor length wise are the longest out of all the ships in SW and have the most mass based on the TIE Interceptor cross-section.

 

 

Panel can grab more power per square metre than star puts out not youngling.

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the retconning makes a lot more sense but that is a heck of a lot of radiator space which doesnt seem efficient considering how little in comparison the other fighters use

 

Their has not been a retcon about TIEs not using Solar pannels.  Star Wars complete vehicles just came out at the end of 2013 and it still shows them using solar pannels in extreme detail.  Take in mind what they in SW are using are waymore advanced to what we are using now, with materials, with specific reactions, we don't have.  Our solar pannels would be like a glider compared to their Geometeric Swing wing turbo fan fighter, th SW pannels and solar energization process.

 

 

the retconning makes a lot more sense but that is a heck of a lot of radiator space which doesnt seem efficient considering how little in comparison the other fighters use

 

It is when you consider the fact that the ship's engine and lasers are extremely tiny compared to the larger versions on Rebel fighters, yet are also just as capable, if not moreso.

 

If you're using smaller systems but getting the same performance out of them, something's got to give. They generally give off a lot more heat than a larger system which has the same output. This is why performance race cars typically have more extensive cooling systems than a stock car, even though their engines are about the same size. They need to bleed off all that excess energy somehow.

 

TIE Fighter solar radiators do the same thing, because their advanced engines also tend to produce a lot of heat. They radiate this waste heat into space using the waffle-pattern radiators, thus giving them the ability to be light weight and still pack a reasonable punch.

 

 

Something interesting to point out.  The SFS L-s9.3 Laser Cannons on the TIE Avenger, Defender, and Interceptor length wise are the longest out of all the ships in SW and have the most mass based on the TIE Interceptor cross-section.

 

 

Panel can grab more power per square metre than star puts out not youngling.

 

 

Based on what we use now it is not viable.  What they are using in SW is more advanced design and materials wise.  Heck I seriously doubt they are using silcon crystals in any of the TIES design, that change in material already would change the reaction created when light makes contact with.  Take in mind though the energy the TIEs use is not equal to its solar re energization of the fuel it carries, and if the fuel is to be fully charged it requires a diffrent process aboard a cap ship or base.

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I always thought TIEs were powered by jesus farts. Seems more scientifical.

 

 

My view on techbooks for any fiction is that they are our ages art books that share a kindred spirit with Leonardos art books.  Disbelief and fear is a major hinderence to technological evolution.   Just off the top of my head in the United States Laser weapon techology and the development of better Fusion reactors are hindered by Disbelef and Fear.   Take in mind I did not say stopped...

 

I do have to hand it to the USN Northrop Grumman and private contracters that have proven the US ARMY and USAF incorrect that Laser can be used in a maritime operation but can be very lethal.  The preprototype Free Electron Laser can burn through 100 feet of steel (mild steel?) in one sec and it only costs a american quarter to fire it.

 

Sorry for getting off subject.  TIE Defender  phew phew KABOOM.

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My mind isn't working right now. What was the type of weapon that Tesla had the concept for and the U.S pursued it's development after his death? Particle beam weapon that was eventually made into something like a shoulder fired rifle that could knock a plane out of the sky?

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I always thought TIEs were powered by jesus farts. Seems more scientifical.

 

 

My view on techbooks for any fiction is that they are our ages art books that share a kindred spirit with Leonardos art books.  Disbelief and fear is a major hinderence to technological evolution.   Just off the top of my head in the United States Laser weapon techology and the development of better Fusion reactors are hindered by Disbelef and Fear.   Take in mind I did not say stopped...

 

I do have to hand it to the USN Northrop Grumman and private contracters that have proven the US ARMY and USAF incorrect that Laser can be used in a maritime operation but can be very lethal.  The preprototype Free Electron Laser can burn through 100 feet of steel (mild steel?) in one sec and it only costs a american quarter to fire it.

 

Sorry for getting off subject.  TIE Defender  phew phew KABOOM.

 

 

1) Laser research in the US is funded by both DARPA and Navy. So no one in the military is stopping development.

2) Fusion research in the US is going well. Again DoE and DARPA funding here.

3) Da Vinci's "art" books were not that to him. They were just his sketch pads. He was what was then considered a natural philosopher, now we would call him a scientist. Much of what he drew technologically wise were devices that could be built with the technology at his disposal.

4) The current prototype free electron laser can fire at around 14kw. A 1000kw beam (1MW) would be able to burn through around 20 foot of steel per second at a range of 1 mile.

5) Cost of firing the weapon is not the issue. Certainly it is cheaper per shot than missile based area defence weapons, but not significantly different from gun based systems. The real benefit is you don't need to carry ammunition, only provide power. I should not e that mounting this sort of weapon is not feasible on current hulls, they do not have the power distribution or generation capacity to support them.

 

 

As to Arthur Volts's point. No the Tesla weapon was nothing more than science fantasy.

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