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I want to swear.  

 

I'm not a child.  I might be a a twenty one year old man boy who plays role-playing games but d a m n it I want to swear.

 

Who's with me.

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And Fantasy Flight Games is not the boss of you, so if they come to your house and tell you to stop swearing, you tell them to [PROFANITY FILTER ACTIVATED] with a [MORE PROFANITY FILTERED] while [WOW THIS WAS A LOT OF PROFANITY] unless it's Tuesday of course.

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I want to swear.  

 

I'm not a child.  I might be a a twenty one year old man boy who plays role-playing games but d a m n it I want to swear.

 

Who's with me.

Then go somewhere where that's allowed.

 

Current evidence to the contrary? That's nice, and I'm sure you swear plenty, so relax.

 

Nope.

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My issue with the profanity filter is that it sometimes effects non-profane stuff. I made a post a while back about a Deathwatch scenario I was planning based on Herman Melville's most famous novel. Thanks to over-aggressive censorship, that book is apparently Moby ----.

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You mean Moby ****?

 

Wow me too! Hang on a minute....

 

**** Van Dyke,  Spotted ****, ***** Galore, Blue ***, 

 

What? It's censorship gone mad!

 

So let me see if I get this right, you can't name the famous actor **** Van Dyke but you can name a Bastard Sword?

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Hang on - ieatdeadpeople?  Weren't you the guy that posted all those marijuana-related images on here a year or so ago?

 

If so; I'll tell you now what I told you then - Fantasy Flight's forum, Fantasy Flight's rules.

 

Hell; you go to any forum on the internet and they'll have rules in-place stating their policy on foul language, racial/sexual slurs, and what topics can't be discussed on their boards, regardless of their game's content.

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Mostly I just find it just annoying in the fan fiction section.

 

Its ironic that a forum for a game on which players post their stories of glorious genocides I can't use certain words.

 

Isn't there currently a topic talking about a how to run a harem in RT?  I think objectification of women ought to be a bit more of a concern then using dirty words.

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This thread is pure and utter feldercarb. It's feth like this that really boils my gak. Someone at FFG should frakking remove it.

 

If you really wanted it to die just don't post on it and it will go away.

 

I understand they have rules but I can still point out that their hypocrites.

 

The only reason I don't like the rule is I think it detracts from my the fan fiction section.  Let the artist do what they want.

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It is pretty stupid, I mean honestly you can tell what someone means by context about 99% of the time anyway so what's the point in trying to "filter" it? That and I agree with the statement that RT is not a game that tends to be G or even PG13 rated when you get a group of what passes for adults in modern culture playing it. Like any censorship you have to ask, who is this protecting and from what and for who's benefit? When you think it through the answer is almost always a fucktarded load of nonsensical crap. That being said it's not going to go away, because of what Fantasy Flight produces as a business they ultimately will jump through whatever hoops they have to in order to present a "kid friendly" enough image not to lose access to a potential part of the market.

 

Isn't there currently a topic talking about a how to run a harem in RT?  I think objectification of women ought to be a bit more of a concern then using dirty words.

 

 It should be even less of one.

 

See I think this is where you lost me with this bit where you partake in the loathsome habit of throwing dumbshit social issues garbage around to try and appear moral or intelligent. Here's the thing, that harem is fictional, it belongs to a fictional person, it contains only fictional women. So you go after the guy you're basically persecuting him for a thought crime.

 

True you can kind of gauge people's personalities by what they fantasize about but a guy fantasizing about having a harem only really reveals that he may very likely want unlimited access to unlimited sex with attractive women. GASP some nerd wants that? Oh **** I also just discovered that the sky is blue and that all the politicians are actually rotten self serving liars. You've opened my eyes to a whole new world of shocking realities with your talk of "women's issues".

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It is rather funny that the OP wants to swear, but complains about discussions of in game activities.  Perhaps the board moderation should be left to those who own it, eh?

 

Couple of thoughts.

 

WH40K is a remarkably non-sexist universe.  Everyone is an object.  That's the point.  What is the main resource of the Imperium?  People.  Got a problem?  Throw more people at it.  You lost 1 million Imperial Guard on a planet?  Send 5 million next time.  That doesn't work?  Exterminatus.

 

Rogue Trader's literally have the power of life and death in the Expanse.  That is the game.  A Rogue Trader can do ANYTHING in the Expanse.  Even in Calixis, RT's have leeway that normal people can't comprehend.  That's just the way it is.

 

Edit - it's not canon, but I've been rewatching Red Dwarf, so if I can say smeg, then that's fine with me.

 

Edit 2 - And I can!  So, use smeg when you need to swear.  We can start a trend!

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WH40K is a remarkably non-sexist universe.  Everyone is an object.  That's the point.  What is the main resource of the Imperium?  People.  Got a problem?  Throw more people at it.  You lost 1 million Imperial Guard on a planet?  Send 5 million next time.  That doesn't work?  Exterminatus.

 

Dark Heresy had a note during character generation that about the same level of sexism exists in the 41st Millennium as modern day. Theoretically women are equal, but in practice most major political and societal figures are male, which is not entirely unexpected given that every famous Imperial figure - apart from Saints - is male, and the whole Space Marine thing. Going through the Frozen Reaches for example, the Planetary Governor, Commander of the ground defenses, commander of the void defenses, principal Mechanicus representative, spiritual leader of Damaris, and named Astropath are all male, while the commander of local law enforcement, and Battlefleet representative are female. Rogue Traders though are split one and one.

 

I try my best to ignore this in my games, but when looking at the setting, it is a world where our God, his sons, and his angels (of death) are all male, and the most famous female organisation was originally called the "Brides of the Emperor", and they occasionally get turned into hats by other Space Marines. 

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Why the smeg can I post "Bastard Sword" but can't smeggin discuss a bird named the Blue *** or a English desert called spotted ****?

 

Smeg that!

 

While I hate swearing, crudeness and innuendo I'm not so immature as to giggle like a smeggin child whenever I hear a word which isn't actually rude. It's just silly smeg heads who have made words like *****, **** and *** rude.

 

Grow up people!

 

Rant over and I hope Jetpack likes my overuse of Smeg.

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I thought it was great!  There was a board that changed all filtered worlds to pancake.  Much amusement ensued.

 

Didn't know the point about the sexism, as hadn't seen it in the books I've read. But, never read the various hat stuff either.

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It is pretty stupid, I mean honestly you can tell what someone means by context about 99% of the time anyway so what's the point in trying to "filter" it? That and I agree with the statement that RT is not a game that tends to be G or even PG13 rated when you get a group of what passes for adults in modern culture playing it. Like any censorship you have to ask, who is this protecting and from what and for who's benefit? When you think it through the answer is almost always a fucktarded load of nonsensical crap. That being said it's not going to go away, because of what Fantasy Flight produces as a business they ultimately will jump through whatever hoops they have to in order to present a "kid friendly" enough image not to lose access to a potential part of the market.

I think it's also because they've got the one censorship filter for their whole smegging forums and that they have several game lines aimed at younger audiences.  Easier to just have the one blanket filter over all of their message boards rather than giving each board a filter tailored to that game's tone.  Probably cheaper, too.

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Dark Heresy had a note during character generation that about the same level of sexism exists in the 41st Millennium as modern day. Theoretically women are equal, but in practice most major political and societal figures are male, which is not entirely unexpected given that every famous Imperial figure - apart from Saints - is male, and the whole Space Marine thing. Going through the Frozen Reaches for example, the Planetary Governor, Commander of the ground defenses, commander of the void defenses, principal Mechanicus representative, spiritual leader of Damaris, and named Astropath are all male, while the commander of local law enforcement, and Battlefleet representative are female. Rogue Traders though are split one and one.

 

Really it follows in the sense of what I think women are really up against in modern culture, which is not at all any kind of legal construct (which if anything now slants in favor toward women) but half a million years of evolutionary drives and semi-compulsive social behaviors. Here's the thing at the end of the day you have to choose to be an individual and to swim upstream it's not something that usually comes naturally or immediately to human beings even in the present let alone the grimdark future of 40k.

 

It being a more fifty fifty split as far as Rogue Traders goes makes sense, because you're talking about people who make their own value judgements and live nearly their entire lives outside of social acceptability. Nihilists essentially. Frankly it's a lesson that translates well to RL too, if you want to end up somewhere different than where they tell you to be you need to do something different than what they tell you that you have to do.

 

It isn't free though the cost of individuality is usually eternal solitude.

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I try my best to ignore this in my games, but when looking at the setting, it is a world where our God, his sons, and his angels (of death) are all male, and the most famous female organisation was originally called the "Brides of the Emperor", and they occasionally get turned into hats by other Space Marines. 

 

 

Reading Scars, there is an interesting quote from Malcador about the Primarchs: "I suggested he make them sisters instead; it would have been far more civilised. He thought I was joking. I wasn't."

 

I do my best to balance things out when I'm thinking about it. One thing I do like in the Horus Heresy novels is that the Imperial Navy seems to be fairly matriarchal in the Crusade era; the majority of the Legion and Fleet Flag Captains named to date are female.

 

Which makes sense; if you think about it. The 'best of the best' - those people on Terra picked out in teenage years as having the intelligence, drive and ambition to succeed - will be identified and fast-tracked into Imperial service. Of the males in this group, the likely fate of most of them is dying in the process of failing to become a space marine (what is it, something like 10-1? 100-1?).

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I do my best to balance things out when I'm thinking about it. One thing I do like in the Horus Heresy novels is that the Imperial Navy seems to be fairly matriarchal in the Crusade era; the majority of the Legion and Fleet Flag Captains named to date are female.

 

Which makes sense; if you think about it. The 'best of the best' - those people on Terra picked out in teenage years as having the intelligence, drive and ambition to succeed - will be identified and fast-tracked into Imperial service. Of the males in this group, the likely fate of most of them is dying in the process of failing to become a space marine (what is it, something like 10-1? 100-1?).

 

 

I did notice that most ship captains tended to be female. I assumed this was just because it was the only unfilled role they could occupy, but I actually quite like the explanation that because the best males are selected for Space Marine conversion (and mostly dying or becoming chapter serfs in the process), then the best females would outnumber them in the more human departments, like the Navy or the various Adepta.

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