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A simple question. I can't see it on drivethrurpg though. If not a little help would be much appreciated. Yar har and a bottle of ram. Of course I say nothing on that third line and everything after. Please look into this light.

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Aww that sucks. I wanted to see the new rules. I do intend to buy it, but I wanna see them noooowwww.... any idea when we can expect a release?

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It does need some more work though, lots of great things, but Influence and some of the weapon balance is still off (especially stuff like axes being nerfed for no reason)

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I'm a gatecrasher here....DON'T SHOOT....but I'm looking into the FFG RPG's.

 

3 months from now sounds great to me, even though I've not been part of the Beta. Suffice to say I will be starting an interesting topic once DH2E is released and I've had a good read.

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Even though Star Wars is my go-to RPG at the moment, I'm really looking forward to this one as well. I was never really a huge fan of the 40k universe, and because of it my knowledge is very limited, but since I started watching the itmeJP videos on Youtube... let's just say it opened my eyes.

 

I didn't buy the beta because a) I have almost zero knowledge and experience when it comes to Dark Heresy (or any 40k RPG), and b) I was still in the middle of reading through the Star Wars core book and preparing a campaign, but I have been keeping my eye on this part of the FFG forums. And even though it seemed most people here were somewhat negative on what FFG was doing with the beta, it didn't diminsh my interest in the game. So I'm really hoping they'll release a Beginner's Box similar to the Star Wars ones, because I want to give this bad boy a go. :D

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Besides the first edition of the beta (which I only heard of annoyance, especially from a GM), the second edition seems overall well received. You have to remember that folks are extra critical because at this stage input matters more.

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Eh, I'd argue they were both about equally well received, just for entirely different reasons. The first beta made a lot of huge changes, which (in my opinion) would have changed the game for the better with some refinement, but annoyed a lot of people due to killing backwards compatibility.

 

The second beta annoyed lots of people because it's essentially Only War copypasted, which isn't enough of a change to appease even most of the backwards compatibility crowd.

 

This whole process has been handled horribly (from as early as the closed alpha stages if certain posters are to be believed).

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There was some interesting stuff in Beta1 and I was willing to work with it (I had my ongoing campaign using it), since that's apparently where the game was going.

 

IMO, though, Beta1's good points weren't enough to make it worth nullifying the mechanics of some ~17 previous DH1 books - which is a high bar.  Considering there was already a well received rule structure (Only War) to base a 2nd Edition off of that was perfectly compatible with those ~17 DH1 books, it really knocked a lot of us over when they went for the Beta1 near rules-rewrite.

 

I'm sorry I led my ongoing campaign through the beta process - now I know that is simply a no-no.  Betas are for mock skirmishes and one-shot adventures...not ongoing campaigns.  You live and learn.

 

But, having said that, I'm one that is quite pleased with the Beta2.  I wasn't looking for a brand new set of rules - I was looking for a shot at fixing some things in DH1 that fans had been talking about for years, some of which had long been changed in other subsequent WH40k games.  In other words, I was looking for a 2nd Edition of a well established game.  IMO, they've taken a pretty good crack at that.  Is everything in DH2 exactly how I want it?  Of course not, but that's never going to happen.

 

Let me add that I am really happy that rules are not going to be changing every week anymore!   :lol:

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I'm just going to trade in my old books at Amazon (just the rulebook and Ascension) and use the trade-in value when I pick up the new book. So as not to judge the rules before I've read and played them, I'm avoiding reading much of the forum. Started reading through topics only to be put off by the constant criticisms.

 

Like previous games, I'll just buy the book when it's released and make up my own mind.

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Even though Star Wars is my go-to RPG at the moment, I'm really looking forward to this one as well. I was never really a huge fan of the 40k universe, and because of it my knowledge is very limited, but since I started watching the itmeJP videos on Youtube... let's just say it opened my eyes. I didn't buy the beta because a) I have almost zero knowledge and experience when it comes to Dark Heresy (or any 40k RPG), and b) I was still in the middle of reading through the Star Wars core book and preparing a campaign, but I have been keeping my eye on this part of the FFG forums. And even though it seemed most people here were somewhat negative on what FFG was doing with the beta, it didn't diminsh my interest in the game. So I'm really hoping they'll release a Beginner's Box similar to the Star Wars ones, because I want to give this bad boy a go. :D

Some people just need a little longer to find the right path... ;D

By the way - I am not quite sure why a lot of people always say it is that much backward compatible to DH1.

The fluff of course is - but the alternate ranks, cell directives and many other things built on trees become almost useless. The weapons need to be reworked in many cases and a lot of NPC stats use talents that now no longer exist.

So, yes, beta2 is more compatible to DH1 than beta1 - but that still doesnt mean your old books can be used without any problems or conversion.

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 - but that still doesnt mean your old books can be used without any problems or conversion.

 

 

This is the reason I'm holding off with buying anything DH related, until the 2nd edition is released. I was considering buying the Blood of Martyrs book, simply because I've become a fan of the Adepta Sororitas and I would love to learn more about them... but I'm sure they'll release a similar book in the 2nd ed. product line, so I'll just wait.

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- but that still doesnt mean your old books can be used without any problems or conversion.

 This is the reason I'm holding off with buying anything DH related, until the 2nd edition is released. I was considering buying the Blood of Martyrs book, simply because I've become a fan of the Adepta Sororitas and I would love to learn more about them... but I'm sure they'll release a similar book in the 2nd ed. product line, so I'll just wait.

Imo it totally depends what you want.

If you want the books primarily for fluff reasons, go and get them. They are intesting to read and give a good feeling about the 40k setting. Also the pics are great.

Regarding rules, with DH2these books will be of less use.

You can use the included adventures, and partially the armory (you needs to keep an eye on weapons and armour though and maybe change some stuff).

For inspiration its good - as long as money is of no concern to you *hehe*

If it is - wait for DH2 as there certainly will also be supplements for this.

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I wish FFG could have a quick primer on how to convert primitive weapons and armor to the new system.

 

I'm not so sure that they had a formula. They may have just rebalanced some of them and reimagined others for better effect.

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If you want the books primarily for fluff reasons, go and get them. They are intesting to read and give a good feeling about the 40k setting. Also the pics are great.

 

 

Yes, it would purely be for fluff. I had a chance to browse the Blood of Martyrs book, and I really liked what I saw: a better look at the Adepta Sororitas and its different sections. Are there any other books (across the other 40k RPGs as well) that go over the Battle Sisters? (Are they present in the 2nd ed. core book?)

 

The money isn't that big of a deal, but it would be a shame if they reprinted all that information in a 2nd ed. version and I just bought the 1st ed. one. (And any money I save goes straight to Star Wars RPGs, so yeah...  :P  )

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I guess they wont do direct reprints of DH1 books, but create new ones that might share some content of the old ones.

Sororitas primarily occur in blood of martyrs and, to a lesser degree, in the inquisitors handbook.

Other than that, they have no big presence I would remember.

If you like fluff in general, I can recommend Disciples of the dark gods a lot. Loved that book.

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Well, I ordered Blood of Martyers from Amazon yesterday. I'll wait until I have it in my hands before I decide if I want to buy more 1st Ed. books, or just wait for all the 2nd Ed. stuff that is bound to come. Speaking of 'to come'... there's not that many news updates about this game. I wonder what FFG is planning for its release.

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