A PRONUNCIATION QUERY

[LETE 24]

Hey hello!

 

How do you guys pronounce "NOMEN RYNE"?  RHINE OR RAIN?

 

 

Thanks

 

LETE

WHO?

[Cifer 211]

Where's that from?

 

I'd guess on "Rhine" like the river though.

[The Boy Named Crow 0]

I would go with Rhine over Rain for sure.

[Darkshroud 0]

On pronouncation topics what about Slaugth? Is it Slow? (like ouch) or Sloth? something else?

[Lupinorc 0]

For Ryne I would go with "Rhine" or "Rin" depending on how whimsical I was feeling at the time

As for Slaugth, I've been pronoucing it SL-AW (as in 'saw' with a L after the S) - FF(as in the 'TH' in 'the'), "SLAWFF"

[LETE 24]

Cifer said:

Where's that from?

 

I'd guess on "Rhine" like the river though.

 

Thanks for the replies!

Nomen Ryne appears in the Creatures Anathema.  He's an evil mastermind.

 

 

Lete

Who?

[The Boy Named Crow 0]

Darkshroud: Are you talking about Slaught, the drug from the core rulebook? I pronounce that like the latter half on "onslaught"

[user4574 0]

The Boy Named Crow said:

Darkshroud: Are you talking about Slaught, the drug from the core rulebook? I pronounce that like the latter half on "onslaught"

I think he's referring to the Slaugh as in the evil mastermind xenos behind the Amaranthine Syndicate

[hoodedcrow2 0]

Darkshroud said:

 

On pronouncation topics what about Slaugth? Is it Slow? (like ouch) or Sloth? something else?

 

 

 

I would go with Sloth. But with alot of emphisis on the -aug- and add a hiss to the end so you get a SL-AW-THSS. But that may be too kindda evil and alien sounding. Almost akin to aa mutated dwarf I would say.

 

Actually now that I reread the posts this is alot like what Lupinorc said.

[Darkshroud 0]

I did indeed mean the foul Xenos maggot men.

So most are reckoning Sloth with more flem.. luvly.

Pretty much how I thought but just wondered

[Maxim C. Gatling 3]

Say "Slaanesh" three times fast.

Is it "Demon" or "Damon"?  (I was told either was correct as "Daemon" was a deliberate mis-spelling intended to ward off the Conservative Christian witch hunt which AD&D suffered from in the early '80's...)

[graver2 4]

Maxim C. Gatling said:

 

Say "Slaanesh" three times fast.

Is it "Demon" or "Damon"?  (I was told either was correct as "Daemon" was a deliberate mis-spelling intended to ward off the Conservative Christian witch hunt which AD&D suffered from in the early '80's...)

 

 

 

Daemon is pronounced like "day-mon" (the ae combined always makes something akin to a long "a" with a touch more emphasis on the ending "ee" sound of "a" such as in aeon). Daemon is not a misspelling but an actual word. It was first used to describe the spirits of anchant Greek religions as a means of separating such spirits (both good and malevolent) from the Judeo-Christian demon.

It has since been used in many fictional works to describe supernatural spirits and beings (both good and malevolent) without tieing them to the Judeo-Christian mythology.

 

[bogi_khaosa 267]

Is that a hard or soft C in "C'Tan"?

[Tetragon Tanebrae 0]

hard, pronaunced Katarn

[angryboy2k 0]

Graver said:

Daemon is pronounced like "day-mon" (the ae combined always makes something akin to a long "a" with a touch more emphasis on the ending "ee" sound of "a" such as in aeon).

The "ae" in Daemon is technically a ligature from the Latin spelling of the word and is found in many words in British English such as Caesarian and aesthetic. The spelling certainly doesn't always entail the pronunciation you're describing and daemon can also be pronounced like the more mundane "demon", which of course is related to it in the same way as British and American English differ on haemoglobin/hemoglobin, paediatrician/pediatrician, and um... aeon/eon.

Steve

[Zarkhovian_Rhythm 0]

 I started off pronouncing Slaught like a phlegmy sloth... Then I killed my group with one. Now it's Slaught as in to slaughter, or onslaught. 

[egalor 4]

Tetragon Tanebrae said:

hard, pronaunced Katarn

Are you sure? Why do you think so?

I always thought that to be SEE-TAN...

[AK_Aramis 1,002]

For me, Slaught is a homophone of slot.

[Luddite 38]

Ryne = Rhine

Slaught  = Slawt

C'Tan = Ke'Tan

Daemon = Daymon

 

[LEGION3000 0]

egalor said:

Tetragon Tanebrae said:

 

hard, pronaunced Katarn

 

 

Are you sure? Why do you think so?

I always thought that to be SEE-TAN...

Well according to all common practices of english it is Ka-Tan for two reasons:

1.   The fact that C is only pronounced like an S when it is followed by e, i, or y such as ceiling and science. 

2.  In science fiction, the apostrophe is often used in alien names to indicate a glottal stop.  It is called the glottal stop because the technical term for the gap between the vocal cords, which is closed up in the production of this sound, is the glottis.  Therefor for the name to be pronounced Se-Tan it would have to be spelled Cetan. 

For instance in babylon 5 we have the character Ja'Kar pronounced JA-Kar.  If it were spelled Jakar you could reasonably pronounce it Jaker like baker.

This is all supposing the author has a decent grasp of phonetics and english which we all know is a huge leap of faith.

Now for my questions.  How do you pronounce Arbites?
Is it Ar-BITES or Ar-bit-ees? The word is an obvious transformation from Aritrator but the shortening could possibly change its pronunciation.

And for my friend John who sometimes checks this site the following pronunciations are also correct
Scything - Sayth-ing not Sky-thing
Juve - Juvee shortened from the word juvenile and like the prison for minors

 

 

[Alasseo 66]

Actually, it's G'Kar, which illustrates your point even better.

 

Arbites= ARB-it-EES (emphasis on the first and last syllable- the intermediate 'it' can also be rendered as a schwa followed by a 'soft' t as part of the final syllable (tEES)), although I have heard some people argue that the first two syllables should be treated in the same manner as the german 'arbeit', with the same long 'e' sound tacked on to the end (effectively ar-BITE-ees), although obviously there's a shift in emphasis.

It should definitely be three syllables rather than two, though.

 

Scything- not quite 'sayth-ing': treat the 'c' as silent, and the 'th' should be voiced as in 'breathe'; 'SYth(e)-ing' is closer. Unfortunately, this forum doesn't support unicode so I can't quite do better (maybe 'SYdh-ing' or 'SY-dhing', accepting 'dh' as the 'celtic tau'. It's still imperfect, but a more accurate orthography would get very confusing).

Juve- the 'e' is silent, but aside from that spot on.

 

As for the rather contentious C'tan- definitely a hard 'c', with a definite glottal stop there, athough it is just about conceivable that said glottal stop could be combined with or even replaced by a schwa. Perhaps 'Kuh-TAN', using the shortest possible 'u' you can pronounce.

Daemon is, for pretty much all intents and purposes, pronounced almost identically to demon, blended with the slightest hint of 'day-mon'. It's another one of those where the only orthography possible using this board is incapable of conveying the description (as the best way to write it is, in fact, daemon). If it helps, think archaeology, anaesthesia, anaemia or aesthetics for other examples. Strictly speaking, it is an actual dipthong, not merely a cosmetic spelling variant, so the advide to mix a long 'ay' sound with the long 'e' holds true. I disagree with the emphasis on the long 'a' in there, based upon the examples I cited earlier.

I'll also note that daemon is the 'intermediate' latin form that has become demon in modern usage. The original form would be the greek 'daimon' (closest shoe-leather translation I can come up with is something like 'demigod/lesser god'). For all intents and purposes (aside from the personalities and intentions of the individual entitites, the daimones and GW daemons are very much alike. While interesting, I am aware that this is very much a digression, and so I'll leave it there.

If that's too much effort, however, a straightforward 'demon' is perfectly acceptable.

[Tetragon Tanebrae 0]

LEGION3000 said:

egalor said:

 

Tetragon Tanebrae said:

 

hard, pronaunced Katarn

 

 

Are you sure? Why do you think so?

I always thought that to be SEE-TAN...

 

 

Well according to all common practices of english it is Ka-Tan for two reasons:

1.   The fact that C is only pronounced like an S when it is followed by e, i, or y such as ceiling and science. 

2.  In science fiction, the apostrophe is often used in alien names to indicate a glottal stop.  It is called the glottal stop because the technical term for the gap between the vocal cords, which is closed up in the production of this sound, is the glottis.  Therefor for the name to be pronounced Se-Tan it would have to be spelled Cetan. 

 

 

Also because in one of the 40k novels a Sister Diologous  that is tasked with translating some Old One script concerning the War in Heaven she states that the symbol assiciated with the enemy can be translated into low gothic as Katarn or C'tan.

[LEGION3000 0]

Alasseo said:

Actually, it's G'Kar, which illustrates your point even better.

 

Arbites= ARB-it-EES (emphasis on the first and last syllable- the intermediate 'it' can also be rendered as a schwa followed by a 'soft' t as part of the final syllable (tEES)), although I have heard some people argue that the first two syllables should be treated in the same manner as the german 'arbeit', with the same long 'e' sound tacked on to the end (effectively ar-BITE-ees), although obviously there's a shift in emphasis.

It should definitely be three syllables rather than two, though.

 

Scything- not quite 'sayth-ing': treat the 'c' as silent, and the 'th' should be voiced as in 'breathe'; 'SYth(e)-ing' is closer. Unfortunately, this forum doesn't support unicode so I can't quite do better (maybe 'SYdh-ing' or 'SY-dhing', accepting 'dh' as the 'celtic tau'. It's still imperfect, but a more accurate orthography would get very confusing).

Juve- the 'e' is silent, but aside from that spot on.

 

As for the rather contentious C'tan- definitely a hard 'c', with a definite glottal stop there, athough it is just about conceivable that said glottal stop could be combined with or even replaced by a schwa. Perhaps 'Kuh-TAN', using the shortest possible 'u' you can pronounce.

Daemon is, for pretty much all intents and purposes, pronounced almost identically to demon, blended with the slightest hint of 'day-mon'. It's another one of those where the only orthography possible using this board is incapable of conveying the description (as the best way to write it is, in fact, daemon). If it helps, think archaeology, anaesthesia, anaemia or aesthetics for other examples. Strictly speaking, it is an actual dipthong, not merely a cosmetic spelling variant, so the advide to mix a long 'ay' sound with the long 'e' holds true. I disagree with the emphasis on the long 'a' in there, based upon the examples I cited earlier.

I'll also note that daemon is the 'intermediate' latin form that has become demon in modern usage. The original form would be the greek 'daimon' (closest shoe-leather translation I can come up with is something like 'demigod/lesser god'). For all intents and purposes (aside from the personalities and intentions of the individual entitites, the daimones and GW daemons are very much alike. While interesting, I am aware that this is very much a digression, and so I'll leave it there.

If that's too much effort, however, a straightforward 'demon' is perfectly acceptable.

Alasseo said:

Actually, it's G'Kar, which illustrates your point even better.

 

Arbites= ARB-it-EES (emphasis on the first and last syllable- the intermediate 'it' can also be rendered as a schwa followed by a 'soft' t as part of the final syllable (tEES)), although I have heard some people argue that the first two syllables should be treated in the same manner as the german 'arbeit', with the same long 'e' sound tacked on to the end (effectively ar-BITE-ees), although obviously there's a shift in emphasis.

It should definitely be three syllables rather than two, though.

 

Scything- not quite 'sayth-ing': treat the 'c' as silent, and the 'th' should be voiced as in 'breathe'; 'SYth(e)-ing' is closer. Unfortunately, this forum doesn't support unicode so I can't quite do better (maybe 'SYdh-ing' or 'SY-dhing', accepting 'dh' as the 'celtic tau'. It's still imperfect, but a more accurate orthography would get very confusing).

Juve- the 'e' is silent, but aside from that spot on.

You are absolutely right about G'Kar, I was spelling from memory and was about to fix it but your post got in first so there it is.

As for Scythe, I was going by the dictionaries phonetic spelling which is Sayth, but yes its not perfect without unicode.  I would say the closest would be the homonym string "sigh" and "Thing".

I am really happy that someone finally corroborated my pronunciation of Arbites.  That one has been a personal pet peeve of mine for a while.

[Jack of Tears 2]

I always go with whatever sounds better phenetically.  So I'd say "rin", as "Nomen Rin" sounds better than the alternatives.

 

 

[egalor 4]

How do you pronounce "Psyniscience"?