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Hey.  I picked up the Netrunner box trying to get some friends into a new cardgame that didn't require constant updating like Magic and was looking at some decks online.  However it seems like some of the cards don't have a full playset.  Am I supposed to buy two boxes to get all the basic cards I need resulting in other playsets having a bunch of unusable extras?  Or is there a card pack that includes these missing cards?

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If you look at the bottom right, next to the expansion symbol, you will see one, two, or three pips. These denote how many copies come in each core set. (the runner consoles are 1 of, certain ICE is 2 of, etc).

 

You can either buy a second core set, or buy singles online (or if your LFGS sells them). You should check out teamcovenant.com... dunno if they have any in stock, but they sometimes have faction packs for the core set (so you can buy all the criminal cards, HB cards, NBN cards, etc) or just singles.

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I thought half the the point of the LCG idea was that you DIDN'T have to deal with buying singles from people.

 

The other option being spending $40-80 for a few more cards?

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The reasoning for the card numbrs the way they are is for ease of play and getting people playing right out of the box. It's much easier to say "shuffle all the green and gray cards together" than say "grab all of the green and grey cards and then find x, y, or z copies of these cards and shuffle them into a deck".

It's designed to get people playing quickly. That being said, a completion set would be very nice. All other data packs and deluxe sets do have 3 copies of each card, however. It's only the core set that has restricted numbers.

Ebay usually has a lot of completion sets, though can be pricey. I just ended up buying 3 core sets and selling off all of my extras on ebay. However 2 cores is fine. The only cards you'd want 3 of for the 1_of cards are: Desperado and SanSan City Grid...maybe Grimoire and Corporate Troubleshooter I certain decks.

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If you're playing casually there is absolutely no need for a second core set. The game plays amazingly well straight out of the box. If you start playing competitively then while you're buying the other data packs you will at some point want to most probably get the second core set. By the way, the three-ofs in the second core set are not a complete waste. Many people like to make extra decks with different factions and the second core set makes it easier to do that without having to switch out cards.

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Second what Frybender says. A second Core is useful not just for the extra 2 and 1-of cards, but also for running multiple simultaneous decks with little to no card-swapping. Yes, it's a pain that FFG don't sell completion sets, but we're all in the same boat.

Honestly I've never run a deck with three of the Core consoles anyway (too hard to fit in AND keep to 45-card deck). Same goes for SanSan City Grid. Two of, yes, but never three.

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BTW if anyone else is in my position, Cool Stuff Inc is selling the core set for twenty bucks right now for Black Friday..

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I got my 2nd core set yesterday and found it really useful to complete the collection. After having bought the 2nd, you'll have 3 copies of most cards. Precisely, there are just 11 cards, which are one-off in a single core set, so you only have them twice then, but that's not a big deal considering there are hundreds of card types. As someone said earlier you can use the duplicate triples to run multiple decks at the same time with minor switching.

So in my opinion a 2nd core set is worth buying, a 3rd one is quite useless. Completing by ebay is not a good idea either though, considering the guys there sell the cards for like 7$ EACH.

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If people really want missing cards and don't want a core set, some of the one ofs are available through drafting.

Otherwise,just wait for a sale.

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If people really want missing cards and don't want a core set, some of the one ofs are available through drafting.

Otherwise,just wait for a sale.

I'm almost 100% sure that Desperado is not included in the draft set. Anyone knows which other 1 or 2 ofs aren't available?

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If people really want missing cards and don't want a core set, some of the one ofs are available through drafting.

Otherwise,just wait for a sale.

I'm almost 100% sure that Desperado is not included in the draft set. Anyone knows which other 1 or 2 ofs aren't available?

 

Desperado is the only Core-set one-of not in Cyber War.

 

http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1070142/the-actual-full-complete-cyber-war-draft-list

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Say I'm FFG...I'm going to put in the time and money to create a product that I make less money on and is expressly designed to undercut sales of the keystone product of an entire line.

Yeah, that will happen.

This argument makes sense against a pack of all missing cards, but it's stupid for a pack of the 1-ofs. The number of people that buy the core sets is tiny, and FFG could easily sell an 11 card pack for $10 or even more, and I guarantee you way more people would buy that than buy third core sets currently. And the "time and money" they would need to put in would be negligible: they literally need to print more cards and make a tuckbox. It would be pure profit. Edited by aldrenean

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This argument makes sense against a pack of all missing cards, but it's stupid for a pack of the 1-ofs. The number of people that buy the core sets is tiny, and FFG could easily sell an 11 card pack for $10 or even more, and I guarantee you way more people would buy that than buy third core sets currently. And the "time and money" they would need to put in would be negligible: they literally need to print more cards and make a tuckbox. It would be pure profit.

 

 

Yeah, basically this. There are only 77 cards needed to bring the coreset up to a full playset for everything. FFG could easily price that at the same price as one of the deluxe expansions (£25 approx - not doing the conversion to silly U.S monopoly money, sorry) and people would pay it, the profit margin is huge.

I'm not swayed by the whole 'They're a company, just accept it' thing. Corvus Belli is a much smaller company and they make all their rulebooks downloadable for free from their website, despite also selling physical copies of the book for those that want them. Its not something that we should just be shrugging off, its very much a mean spirited move on the part of the company to capitalise on a captive audience.

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The number of people that buy the core sets is tiny, ... and I guarantee you way more people would buy that than buy third core sets currently.

I can pretty much guarantee that FFG will have done ACTUAL market research into this (as opposed to put speculation, which is what you're doing) and come up with the fact that it's not going to be worth it for them to do what you're suggesting.

And the notion that a tiny number of purely by multiple core sets is laughable, start a poll on BGG or somewhere and see.

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From conversations I've had with FFG staff, the core set is by far the biggest seller. I'm sorry, but just saying "it'd be pure profit" doesn't overcome the fundamental fact that every one they sell is one less Core Set.

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That depends. Like I said in another thread, the biggest hurdle I have getting new players into the game is the lack of complete playsets in the (already expensive) coreset. These are all adults with full time jobs and I know that if they liked the game they would be completionist and buy all the expansions cos they're just those kinds of people. FFG is in this example choosing to take the extra money of an additional coreset sale from a customer who is already invested in exchange for the potential earnings of someone buying all the other products in the range which require the coreset to use.

More importantly, its a **** move in the name of a marginal amount of money. Like I said before, I'm sure they could release the 77 cards needed at the price of the 160 card deluxe sets and the profit margin would remain the same as selling another coreset. The real profit from their perspective is people buying the third core for the few extra 1x card, which I'm pretty sure makes those last cards more expensive than gold by volume on that purchase.

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You said it yourself: even pricing the completion pack the same as a second core set would never cause anyone to buy a third core set.

It's an inherently perverse notion that any company would produce a product expressly designed to reduce sales of their biggest selling product.

The core set is what it is. It provides playable decks for all factions, no mean feat for a $40 product. I frankly have no sympathy because it is the best core set FFG has ever put out: try getting players into AGOT, where the core set is nearly all 1x's with very very few 2x's, and the decks you can build with it aren't even remotely balanced against one another. My friends are reporting that Conquest isn't exactly all that playable out of a single core set.

One man's **** move is another man's driver of future sales. Do you really imagine that creating demand for further product isn't a flat out requirement baked into a core set?

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Its not inherently perverse. I have already provided examples of a company that has done just that as part of its marketing strategy to great success. Corvus Belli make all the rules and army lists for their miniatures game downloadable for free, despite selling physical copies of the rulebook for £30. This encourages people to spend more money on the miniatures themselves by lowering the buy in price to start using the product.

This analogy would work for FFGs LCGs as well. More people playing is more expansions sold. The total profit from the expansions will be higher than the coreset multi purchases (based on price to product ratio). That is your driver for further product. Your example is repeat sales of a product the customer already bought, which is quite obviously harbouring a level of resentment that is stopping people from getting involved in the game based on the number of times this thing comes up.

Stating 'It's a business' is just an expression of apathy disguised as enlightenment. Most of the people I know who would have gone in full tilt to the game are just making proxy cards instead. Thats lost sales however you look at it.

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Apples & Oranges. Corvus Belli isn't going to any extra expense to produce, print, ship, and expect stores to stock a product whose only purpose is to cannibalize sales of their core product. Miniatures games are also very much a different animal where you generally can't even begin to play until you've bought a lot more product than just the core offering.

 

As far as a "level of resentment" goes, I'd even contest your use of the word "obvious." A certain percentage of your customer base, in any business, in any industry, is going to be dissatisfied, but it's far from obvious that the people dissatisfied with the core set are anything more than that inevitable minority. Read any number of *dozens* of threads giving advice to new players, and you'll see people advocating a second core set not just for pure 3x completeness, but also for an expanded base of "common" cards. A second core set is an excellent value for deckbuilding flexibility and let's face it: the only cards you're really hurting for at 3x are Desperado and SanSan, and that's a *tiny* tail to be wagging the dog for a whole other product. The utility for multiple decks offered by a full second core set is so good that 1x's notwithstanding, I would recommend to new players that they actually skip the Completion Pack and just get a second Core Set.

 

As far as "apathy disguised as enlightenment," such a handwaving dismissal I can't respond to with anything more than open contempt. You're taking your own anecdotal experience and assuming it holds for the entire customer base. I'm here to tell you, your experience isn't universal. Look around here, on reddit, on BGG and you'll see dozens of threads where people happily advocate two core sets. Go on NetrunnerDB and CardgameDB and see how many decks you see that were built with only a single core set. My anecdotes are of equal worth to yours: Most players I know have bought two core sets, and of those that haven't, it's at least on their wish list.

 

Netrunner is FFG's biggest selling LCG, their fifth LCG overall: it's safe to say they know what they're doing and the notion that they haven't examined the wisdom of a core expansion is just silly.

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