Dodge vs Autofire

[darknesseternal2 0]

Does it only take a successful dodge (with 0 extra degrees of success) to dodge every hit from semi or full auto?

[Routa-maa 180]

No.

Here's direct quote from the OW CRB p.245

 

"When Evading Swift Attacks, Lightning Attacks, Full Auto Bursts, Semi-Auto Bursts, or any weapon with the Twin-Linked Quality, each Degree of Success on the Dodge Test negates one additional hit.

When Evading weapons with the Storm Quality, each Degree of Success on the Dodge Test negates two hits."

 

So let's say you're hit 5 times by Full Auto Burst and try to dodge it. You get 1 DoS so you would be hit by only 4 shots

[Tygre 16]

No.  If you look at the Dodge entry in the Skill section it will describe the case for multiple hits. 

 

"In the case of attacks which cause multiple hits (such as automatic fire) each Degree of Success a character achieves on his Dodge Test cancels one hit from the attack. Any excess hits not cancelled by Dodging are then applied to the character as normal."

 

And note that passing the test gives 1 degree of success and you gain an additional degree of success for every 10 under the needed value.  So needing 55 and rolling 54 will give you 1 degrees of success.

 

Ninja'd

Edited November 21, 2013 by Tygre

[darknesseternal2 0]

Thanks, I was looking in the combat section where it says a successful evasion check ignores the attack.

[bogi_khaosa 267]

Please note that this is almost certainly a cut and paste snafu from earlier FFG games that used a different degrees of success system.

 

Each DoS on the Evasion test eliminates ONE hit, not one ADDITIONAL hit.

 

The same goes for the Accurate Quality, BTW. You need 2 EXTRA degrees of success to get +1d10, not 2 degrees of success.

Edited November 21, 2013 by bogi_khaosa

[Fgdsfg 1,017]

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Each DoS on the Evasion test eliminates ONE hit, not one ADDITIONAL hit.

True; this is exactly what the Dodge skill says, too.

 

The same goes for the Accurate Quality, BTW. You need 2 EXTRA degrees of success to get +1d10, not 2 degrees of success.

Wrong. By RAW, the text for Accurate clearly states that you need 2 Degrees of Success - not "2 extra" or "2 additional".

I realize that there are inconsistencies in the rules and that more often than not, things like this may be errors because of the cut-and-pasting that does occur frequently between the rulesets. However, until it's actually Errata'd, RAW remains RAW, and you should not pass your interpretation of RAI off as objective fact.

While Only War operates under the same general System as all the WH40kRP books, it is still nontheless it's own Ruleset, with all that entails, and more often than not, Only War made things easier in favour of the players. "Not fixing" what may seem to be apparent "copy-and-paste errors" might be a concious part of this.

Edited November 21, 2013 by Fgdsfg

[bogi_khaosa 267]

 

True; this is exactly what the Dodge skill says, too.

[...]

Each DoS on the Evasion test eliminates ONE hit, not one ADDITIONAL hit.

Wrong. By RAW, the text for Accurate clearly states that you need 2 Degrees of Success - not "2 extra" or "2 additional".

I realize that there are inconsistencies in the rules and that more often than not, things like this may be errors because of the cut-and-pasting that does occur frequently between the rulesets. However, until it's actually Errata'd, RAW remains RAW, and you should not pass your interpretation of RAI off as objective fact.

 

 

 

 

I know it's RAW; I am simply saying that it is almost certainly a copy-paste error, just like with Evasion. This particular muddying of the two different degrees of success systems is a recurring one in boith BC and OW. By RAW (at least in BC; I don't have DW handy) each DoS in Evasion cancels out one additional hit, which is actually nonsensical using BC's degrees of success system if read literally.

Edited November 22, 2013 by bogi_khaosa

[Fgdsfg 1,017]

 

 

True; this is exactly what the Dodge skill says, too.

[...]

Each DoS on the Evasion test eliminates ONE hit, not one ADDITIONAL hit.

Wrong. By RAW, the text for Accurate clearly states that you need 2 Degrees of Success - not "2 extra" or "2 additional".

I realize that there are inconsistencies in the rules and that more often than not, things like this may be errors because of the cut-and-pasting that does occur frequently between the rulesets. However, until it's actually Errata'd, RAW remains RAW, and you should not pass your interpretation of RAI off as objective fact.

 

 

 

 

I know it's RAW; I am simply saying that it is almost certainly a copy-paste error, just like with Evasion. This particular muddying of the two different degrees of success systems is a recurring one in boith BC and OW. By RAW (at least in BC; I don't have DW handy) each DoS in Evasion cancels out one additional hit, which is actually nonsensical using BC's degrees of success system if read literally.

 

I realize what you wanted to say, but it wasn't what you said, so there was a need to correct that.

Also, in the context of Only War, this issue doesn't exists for, for example, the Dodge Skill, it literally says each DoS results in one Dodged attack. The first DoS is for the first attack, the second DoS is for the second attack, etc, etc.

What may sometimes appear to be a mistake is sometimes fully intended.

[bogi_khaosa 267]

Glad to see they corrected it in OW.

 

It could be fully intended, but I doubt it.

 

1) The 40K DoS system arranges things in either a 1, 2, 3, 4... series (such as autofire, lightning attack, psychic storm, Evasion), or a 1, 3, 5, 7... series (semi auto, swift attack, psychic barrage),  In RAW, Accurate is however 1, 2, 4, 6..., making it the single exception to my recollection except for a few odd psychic powers. Whereas it should be (as it is in all previous games), I believe, 1, 3, 5, 7... (actually 1, 3, 5 since there is a cap).

 

2) Unlike standard attack, Accurate is one thing that clearly did not need to be improved.

Edited November 22, 2013 by bogi_khaosa