Determine policy vs xxcha ability

[darkstar952 1]

Hopefully someone can help clear up an arguement we had during our last game.

It was around a player using the determine policy to pull a law the xxcha player had previously cancelled from the discards, so of course the xxcha player wanted to cancel it again, the player using the action card was arguing that the card replaced the usual process and so the xxcha player could not use his ability.

His arguement was based around the specific wording on the action card that a card is chosen for the council to vote on rather than draw a new politic card. And the xxcha power specifically states immediately after a PC is drawn and read, so because the card says choose instead of draw he said the xxcha power could not be used.

So the question is should the xxcha player get to use his ability for a politics card put in play via the determine policy AC?

Thanks in advance for any replies.

[Shadow 0]

Generally, Action cards and Political cards overrule race abilities unless the race ability says otherwise.

 

 

The question is... was "Determine policy" made to overrule the XXcha race ability?

 

Since the rule in TI 3 to do the wording exactly as written, it does appear that way. 

 

But I would actually submit this question to the game designer for a final ruling.

 

 

Most players let XXcha cancel any political card since it costs a strategy counter.

Edited September 16, 2013 by Shadow

[Bowoodstock 16]

Agreed.  The Xxcha isn't exactly getting off scot free, he has to spend a strategy counter to cancel this card, so he should be able to do it again.  The Xxcha are meant to be the ultimate race for use in the political phase, if I'm remembering correctly they're actually the only race aside from the lazax (in fall of the empire) that has any abilities regarding that phase. 

[Orc Slaver 2]

I'm confused by the two responses. Shadow says

 

The question is... was "Determine policy" made to overrule the XXcha race ability?

 

Since the rule in TI 3 to do the wording exactly as written, it does appear that way. 

 

 

And Bowoodstock says

Agreed.  The Xxcha isn't exactly getting off scot free, he has to spend a strategy counter to cancel this card, so he should be able to do it again. 

 

Who are you agreeing with?

 

[Bowoodstock 16]

I agree with the statement that most players allow the Xxcha to cancel the card