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I expected that the Edge of Empire core book would be available on Drivethruprpg.com.  I think that the delay is because Dark Heresy 2 was revealed last week.  Any news when we can see the Star Wars RPG in PDF format?

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They apparently don't have a license to make PDFs for this game (atleast not ones they can sell). Hopefully this will change at some point but no indications that it will.

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I expected that the Edge of Empire core book would be available on Drivethruprpg.com.  I think that the delay is because Dark Heresy 2 was revealed last week.  Any news when we can see the Star Wars RPG in PDF format?

We will most definitely not be getting one by any legal means, as the IP agreement says no. I for one, wish to protect the game from piracy and hope that no one else decides to post scans online.

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I expected that the Edge of Empire core book would be available on Drivethruprpg.com.  I think that the delay is because Dark Heresy 2 was revealed last week.  Any news when we can see the Star Wars RPG in PDF format?

We will most definitely not be getting one by any legal means, as the IP agreement says no. I for one, wish to protect the game from piracy and hope that no one else decides to post scans online.

The beta book has had scans online since  November last, maybe October. November is when one of my group turned up with one. 

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We will most definitely not be getting one by any legal means, as the IP agreement says no. I for one, wish to protect the game from piracy and hope that no one else decides to post scans online.

Unfortunately, there are plenty of people lacking those sorts of moral scruples and will gleefully post scans of the book online.  In fact, I'd be surprised if it hasn't happened already, as it seems that Anonymous is intent on delivering as quick as they can with hot products, legality of the action be damned.

 

I don't condone doing such a thing, particularly if one has not purchased the dead-tree version of the EotE book, but neither am I in a position of authority to stop people from grabbing such a download should they stumble across it.

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I can confirm it's been done - some RPG related sites/forums I visit have had links to scans posted up for about 2-3 weeks now.

 

It's going to happen, because there's no legal PDF - that's a lot more money that could have been made had Lucas Licensing not organised its licences in such a way as to not allow FFG to make a PDF.

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I can confirm it's been done - some RPG related sites/forums I visit have had links to scans posted up for about 2-3 weeks now.

 

It's going to happen, because there's no legal PDF - that's a lot more money that could have been made had Lucas Licensing not organised its licences in such a way as to not allow FFG to make a PDF.

 

Sigh.

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If one became available I'd buy it in a second, even though I own the book.  I love being able to pull a sourcebook up on my iPad to keep onhand.  It's much smaller, and if it has good indexing can be very easy to find the information I need.

 

It's always amazed me how the need for companies to clench their media so hard that nobody can use it ends up hurting them, but like the proverbial racoon with it's hand in the trap it won't let go.

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It's going to happen, because there's no legal PDF - that's a lot more money that could have been made had Lucas Licensing not organised its licences in such a way as to not allow FFG to make a PDF.

 

And if there had been a legal PDF, there would be a pirated version, too.  People who are just going to steal the book anyway don't care whether they can get it legitimately or not.

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And if there had been a legal PDF, there would be a pirated version, too.  People who are just going to steal the book anyway don't care whether they can get it legitimately or not.

Sadly true.

 

I'm sure Paizo's Pathfinder stuff gets pirated constantly, and all their products are available for sale as PDFs.

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It's going to happen, because there's no legal PDF - that's a lot more money that could have been made had Lucas Licensing not organised its licences in such a way as to not allow FFG to make a PDF.

 

And if there had been a legal PDF, there would be a pirated version, too.  People who are just going to steal the book anyway don't care whether they can get it legitimately or not.

And those who only buy PDFs (there are a lot of them out there) would have been able to buy it legally. It's proven that the easier you make it to buy a product for a reasonable fee, the fewer people pirate the product.

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It's always amazed me how the need for companies to clench their media so hard that nobody can use it ends up hurting them, but like the proverbial racoon with it's hand in the trap it won't let go.

I don't think this is necessarily a company clenching here. I think that it has more to do with how the mediums were set up. Book and print under one form, LucasBooks (I think) and electronic forms under LucasArts (even though it is a pdf of a book). I think there needs to be a re-evaluation of what falls where which will probably call for some legal wrangling first. I don't think this has anything to do with pirating, at least not in the vein of WotC and their reaction.

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It's going to happen, because there's no legal PDF - that's a lot more money that could have been made had Lucas Licensing not organised its licences in such a way as to not allow FFG to make a PDF.

 

And if there had been a legal PDF, there would be a pirated version, too.  People who are just going to steal the book anyway don't care whether they can get it legitimately or not.

And those who only buy PDFs (there are a lot of them out there) would have been able to buy it legally. It's proven that the easier you make it to buy a product for a reasonable fee, the fewer people pirate the product.

 

And then it all depends on what is considered "reasonable". That is the unfortunate side of things. Even if they can afford it, if they think it is unreasonable they'll just take it anyways.

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It's going to happen, because there's no legal PDF - that's a lot more money that could have been made had Lucas Licensing not organised its licences in such a way as to not allow FFG to make a PDF.

 

And if there had been a legal PDF, there would be a pirated version, too.  People who are just going to steal the book anyway don't care whether they can get it legitimately or not.

And those who only buy PDFs (there are a lot of them out there) would have been able to buy it legally. It's proven that the easier you make it to buy a product for a reasonable fee, the fewer people pirate the product.

 

I never said there wasn't money in in selling a PDF. I'm just saying that having it available doesn't stop piracy.

 

If the options are "buy it legally or steal it for free," versus "don't have it or steal it for free," there are people who are going to choose "steal it for free" regardless--and "steal it for free" is always an option.

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Well the Beta PDF is certainly out there but surprisingly the actual rule book has not seemed to surface on any major site. Having bought the hardback book, I am kinda on the fence here regarding a legal or illegal PDF version :/

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And those who only buy PDFs (there are a lot of them out there) would have been able to buy it legally. It's proven that the easier you make it to buy a product for a reasonable fee, the fewer people pirate the product.

 

It may mean less people pick up a pirated copy, but I doubt it curtails the initial pirating in the first place. Pirates will pirate whether or not there are legal pdfs available.

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It's going to happen, because there's no legal PDF - that's a lot more money that could have been made had Lucas Licensing not organised its licences in such a way as to not allow FFG to make a PDF.

 

And if there had been a legal PDF, there would be a pirated version, too.  People who are just going to steal the book anyway don't care whether they can get it legitimately or not.

And those who only buy PDFs (there are a lot of them out there) would have been able to buy it legally. It's proven that the easier you make it to buy a product for a reasonable fee, the fewer people pirate the product.

And then it all depends on what is considered "reasonable". That is the unfortunate side of things. Even if they can afford it, if they think it is unreasonable they'll just take it anyways.

True, but then giving them the opportunity to pay for it will result in more people paying for it than not giving them any legal access to the product they want.

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Well the Beta PDF is certainly out there but surprisingly the actual rule book has not seemed to surface on any major site. Having bought the hardback book, I am kinda on the fence here regarding a legal or illegal PDF version :/

I can only assume you don't visit many sites, it's easily available on one major Traditional Games board...

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And those who only buy PDFs (there are a lot of them out there) would have been able to buy it legally. It's proven that the easier you make it to buy a product for a reasonable fee, the fewer people pirate the product.

 

It may mean less people pick up a pirated copy, but I doubt it curtails the initial pirating in the first place. Pirates will pirate whether or not there are legal pdfs available.

 

 

Yeah, exactly. I've worked in the video game industry for a decade, and trust me, the people who are going to pirate your product are going to do it, no matter what.

 

The aphorism I like best goes a little something like this:

 

Which is a harder anti-piracy mechanism to circumvent: a single-use key that comes with the product that allows it to be activated, or a special bit of code that the machine checks to see if the game is legitimate?

 

The answer is that they're both equally easy to circumvent: you go online and search for a cracked version of the game you want, and download that, because someone has already done it.

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Please point to where I said this would entirely remove piracy. I never even implied it would, just that evidence from other products and companies have shown giving the customer legal access to what they want, how they want it, reduces piracy (see - reduction of music piracy since services such as Spotify have become available).

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Well the Beta PDF is certainly out there but surprisingly the actual rule book has not seemed to surface on any major site. Having bought the hardback book, I am kinda on the fence here regarding a legal or illegal PDF version :/

I can only assume you don't visit many sites, it's easily available on one major Traditional Games board...

 

I did find what you were talking about, yeah...

Luckily a bad scan but, sure would be nice if FFG had the rights to put out a good one.

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Well the Beta PDF is certainly out there but surprisingly the actual rule book has not seemed to surface on any major site. Having bought the hardback book, I am kinda on the fence here regarding a legal or illegal PDF version :/

I can only assume you don't visit many sites, it's easily available on one major Traditional Games board...

 

I did find what you were talking about, yeah...

Luckily a bad scan but, sure would be nice if FFG had the rights to put out a good one.

 

 

Admitting you downloaded the illegal document by commenting on its quality is probably not a good idea. It's kinda like saying, "Luckily it's bad child porn."

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