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Fully Flexible Regiment Creation Rules

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It looks like there are several unbalanced choices available in regiment creation.  Here's my attempt make fully flexible regiment creation rules:

 

 

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Stat Bonuses:

+3 to three stats, -3 to one stat

Only two +3 bonuses can be applied to the same stat.

 

Starting skills:

Linguistics (usually Low Gothic)

Common Lore (Imperial Guard)

(Every guardsman should know who the guy with the funny hat and the bolt pistol is and what those blobby things on the platoon commander's shoulders mean)

1 more Common Lore or Linguistics

(To help give your guardsmen a bit of fleshing out.)

 

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You get 12 regiment creation points.

Points can be spent as follows:

 

1 point
training in (2 common lores) or (1 other skill)
level 1 talent
5 more gear points

+2 to a stat (Only once per stat)

+1 wound Can only be taken twice.

one (sentinel or chimera) per squad

Should this cost more? and mounting the squad in the equivalent of Humvees cost 1 point instead?

2 points
lvl 2 talent

one leman russ per squad

Not sure how to price this one, changes the game too much.

3 points
stat aptitude

 

Level 3 talents aren't available in regiment creation, so no Sprint.

Though why Sprint is a level 3 talent, I have no idea.  Unless it's value comes from being able to run away faster than all the other guarsmen... But some of the other level 3 talents look pretty scary, so a blanket ban is probably best.

You can't take training in the same skill multiple times.

 

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Drawbacks

You get points back for the homeworld drawbacks

 

Blessed Ignorance (-1)

Not even sure this is worth points. How common is forbidden lore among guardsmen, anywar?

 

Bred for War (-1)

If this also stops you from trying to use the 'illegal trading' section of the logistics rules, is worth at least (-2).

 

Fluency (-1)

Lose your starting Linguistics Training.

 

Hated Enemy (-1)

You must have hatred talent to take this drawback.

 

Hivebound (-1)

May or may not come up, but guardmen are much more likely to need to roll survival than forbidden lore.

 

Only One Life to Give (-2)

If it promotes idiocy, then -2.  If you are allowed to do things like dig fighting positions to preserve the fine instrument of war that is you, may be only worth (-1)

 

Scum and Villainy (-3)

Since each creation point is worth 5 equipment points, trading in 15 of them gets you 3 points back.  Maybe should be reduced to -10 equipment points for (-2) regiment points.

 

Wary of Outsiders (-1)

Seems like this would come up pretty often, and most of the people who you'll deal with who aren't part of your regiment probably won't count as being inside your circle of trust.  Could be talked around to this being worth (-2).

 

Wounds (-1)

You can reduce your starting wound total by -1 for (-1).

 

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Basic Equipment Allocation: 75 points

Very rare stuff (synskin, preysense goggles, power weapons, stormtropper armor, etc) probably shouldn't be in a regiments standard kit. 

 

Thankfully this rules out subskin armor,  but seems to miss synthmuscle.  Are there any regiments of generally cybernetic guardsmen?

 

Price on armor and main weapons are non-standard.

 

Main Weapon (Comes with 4 magazines)

More main weapon magazines cost 1 point? a piece.
0    Laspistol (or Autopistol or Stub Automatic, I guess.)
5    Las carbine
10    Lasgun (or Autogun or Bullpup Lasgun, I guess)
20    Scarce weapon (Long Las, Sniper Rifle, Combat Shotgun)
25    Rare main Weapon (Triplex Lasgun, Hot-shot Lasgun)

Armor
0    Your uniform
5    (flak vest, flak helmet, and flak gauntlets) or (light flak cloak)
8    (flak coat and flak helmet) or (light flak cloak and flak helmet)
10    flak cloak or (carapace helm and carapace chestplate)
12    (flak cloak and carapace helm) or (Carapace helm, Carapace breastplate, and flak gauntlets)
15    guard flak amor
20    light carapace armor

 

Exact armor costs could probably use a bit more fine tuning.  Note that Stormtrooper Armor is excluded from the basic kit, as it's very rare.
    
Disposable weapons

You can take an allocation twice if you want 4 grenades of a particular type.

3    2 fire bombs

Should firebombs cost 5 points instead?
5    2 frag grenades
5    2 smoke grenades

5   2 Stun grenades

10    2 krak grenades

Having glanced at the vehicle rules, krak grenades appear to be a cruel joke that can barely tickle a warbuggy.  Until fixed, don't think they are worth 15 points
10    2 blind grenades
15    2 photon flash grenades

 

If you buy the underbarrel grenade launcher attachment for your basic weapon, rounds for it cost the same as hand grenades.  You don't get any for free when you buy the launcher.
 

Other weapons

You probably shouldn't be able to buy a 2nd basic weapon to add to your basic kit.  Though stuff like bows and slings are probably ok.  This rule is mainly here to prevent everone from buying a flamer, or something.  Be happy with an exterminator weapon attachment.

 

Pistols come with two magazines.

 

Other prices should be as the book.

 

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Sample Regiment:

 

Vostroyan Firstborn    
3    Ballistic Skill Aptitude
1    Athletics training
1    deadeye shot
1    rapid reaction
1    rapid reload
1    double team (street fighting talent doesn't apply to swords.)

1    +2 Weapon Skill

2    gear (+10 points)
2    hatred(mutants)
-1    blessed ignorance
=

12 points

 

Gear:

10  lasgun

1  extra lasgun magazine

15 mono  sword
20    Light Carapace Armor
5    frag grenades x2

10    krak grenades x2
8    respirator
8    survival suit
8    micro-bead

=

85 points

 

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Original Vostroyan Firstborn

 

Starting Aptitudes: Ballistics Skill.

Starting Skills: Athletics, Common Lore (Imperial Creed), Common Lore (Imperium), Linguistics (Low Gothic).

Starting Talents: Deadeye Shot, Hatred (Mutants), Rapid Reaction, Rapid Reload, Street Fighting.

Blessed Ignorance

Wounds: Characters from this regiment generate starting Wounds normally.

Standard Regimental Kit:
1 Good Craftsmanship M36 lasgun and 4 charge packs
1 sword
Guard flak armour and Good Craftsmanship carapace breastplate
2 frag grenades
2 krak grenades
micro-bead
respirator
survival suit

 

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Created Vostroyan Firstborn

 

Starting Aptitudes: Ballistics Skill.

Starting Skills: Athletics, Common Lore (Imperial Guard, Imperium), Linguistics (Low Gothic).

Starting Talents: Deadeye Shot, Double Team, Hatred (Mutants), Rapid Reaction, Rapid Reload

Blessed Ignorance

Wounds: Characters from this regiment generate starting Wounds normally.

Standard Regimental Kit:
1 M36 lasgun and 5 charge packs
1 mono sword
Guard flak armour and carapace breastplate
2 frag grenades
2 krak grenades
micro-bead
respirator
survival suit

 

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Now, a sample of the kind of thing you can do with the flexible creation rules:

 

Mechanized Engineering Regiment:

 

3    intelligence aptitude
1    operate (surface)
1    tech use
1    security
1    2 common lores
2    combat engineer talent
2    foresight talent
1    chimera per sqaud

=

12

 

Lvl 2 Talent: Combat Engineer

You can choose to reroll any Tech-use or Security test when dealing with traps or explosives.  If you choose to reroll, you must take the results of the second test.

 

The rules for setting explosives means that you are more likely to blow yourself up than to get the job done.  Made this talent up to help with that.

 

Gear Allocation

5    las carbine main weapon

5    exterminator weapon attachment

3    sling (the primitive weapon)

5    frag grenades x2
5    smoke grenades x2
3    fire bombs x2
15    guard flak armor
8    microbead
3    6 mantraps per squad
10    6 demo charges per squad
5    6 sections of accordian wire per squad

8    respirator
= 75

 

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So:

 

Mechanized Engineering Regiment:

Starting Aptitudes: Intelligence.

Starting Skills: Common Lore (Imperial Guard, Imperium, Tech, War), Linguistics (Low Gothic), Operate (Surface), Security, Tech-Use

Starting Talents: Combat Engineer, Foresight

Wounds: Characters from this regiment generate starting Wounds normally.

Standard Regimental Kit:

 

las carbine with exterminator attachment (4 magazines)

sling (the primitive weapon)

frag grenades x2
smoke grenades x2
fire bombs x2
guard flak armor
microbead
6 mantraps per squad
6 demo charges per squad
6 sections of accordian wire per squad

Will assume one section is enough to string across a freeway lane, around 5 meters worth.
respirator

 

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Would consider adding the following things as well:

 

Free Skills:

Add Athletics training

Basic climing and endurance training.

 

Add Dodge Training

Any skill that everyone will train in with their starting xp should probably be given out for free.

 

Standard Gear:

Replace knife with bayonet

The bayonet can be attached to any basic weapon which acts as the melee attachement, but is an unbalanced weapon.

 

Entrenching tool

Will have to look up some stuff about fighting positions, but digging a hole in the ground to hide in should be pretty common practice whenever the squad stops for a few hours. Also, entrenching tools should probably be useable in melee, maybe something like: 1d10, primitive (6), unbalanced.

 

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Anyone see anything particularly exploitable?

Edited by crusher bob

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The fact that you would be able to buy things like Hotshot las weaponry AND light carapace for your Standard regimental kit while still having 30 points left over makes it quite high powered IMO.

 

Not to mention getting long las' for less.

 

I feel the power curve is quite high in Only War as it is - I don't see players needing more of a helping hand initially :)

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The KasrkIn regiment in Hammer of the Emperor apparently does just that (has Hot-shot las main weapon and light carapace armor).

 

The Long las as a main weapon is 5 points more expensive than the standard system.  You'd pay 10 points for a scare weapon,

[Edit]

Whoops, the relative cost of the scarce weapon under the flexible system is only potentially higher.  It depends on what picks you get out of the ordinary system.

 

Assuming I wanted to make a sort of 'Long rifle regiment' with the current rules, I might do:

 

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Aptitude: Ballistic Skill
Skills: Common Lore(Imperial Creed, Imperial Guard, Ecclesiarchy, War), Intimidate, Linguistics (Low Gothic), and Tech Use
Talents: Deadeye shot, Nerves of Steel, Unshakeable Faith, Street Fighters
Wounds: +2

(Penitent Worlder Stuff)

Starting Gear:
Long-las with 6 magazines
Mono-knife
2 frag grenades
2 photon flash
Guard Flak Armor
resiprator
micro-bead
photo-visor
6 mantraps per Squad

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World: Penetient
Commander: Phlegmatic
Regiment: Siege
Doctrines: Sharpshooters, Hardened Fighters
=
12

Gear allocation:
10 Long las
8 photo-visor
8 Micro-bead
3 6 Mantraps per squad
=
29

 

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Under the flexible Creation Rules, thats 92 points of gear (so you'd have to spend 4 regiment points to pay for it)

 

20    scarce main weapon (Long las)
10    mono knife
15    guard flak armor
5    frag grenades
15    photon Flash
8    respirator
8    micro-bead
8    photo-visor
3    mantraps

=

92 (92-75 = 17 points over)

 

And your point spending for regimental traits looks like:

 

3    Ballistic Skill Aptitude
1    2 common lores
1    intimidate
1    tech use
2    nerves of steel
2    unshakeable faith
1    deadeye shot
1    street fighting
2    +2 wounds
1    +2 WS
4   +20 Gear points

=

19

 

So that's already 7 points over what you can get ouf of the flexible system. 

 

Of course, penitent siege worlders are pretty much the top of the heap, under the current system.  But I'd like regiments to be more of less equal, and not have hive worlders, armored, recon, hunter-killer, and light regiments all get screwed.

Edited by crusher bob

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Here's the

 

'Heavy mechanized Regiment'

Starting Skills: Common Lore (Imperial Guard, Imperium, Tech, War), Linguistics (Low Gothic), Operate (Surface), Tech-Use

Starting Talents: Nerves of Steel, Unshakable

Wounds: +2

Standard Regimental Kit:

Triplex Pattern Lasgun (+monomolecular melee attachment) with 5 magazines

2 Frag Grenades

2 Smoke Grenades

Light Carapace Armor

Respirator

Microbead

 

1 Chimera per squad

 

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Build:

1    operate (surface)
1    tech use
1    2 common lores
1    chimera
2    nerves of steel
2    unshakable faith
2    wounds
2    +10 gear points

=

12

 

Gear

25    rare main weapon (triplex lasgun)

13    monomolecular melee attachment

+1 magazine

5    frag
5    smoke

20    light carapace armor
8    micro-bead
8    respirator

=

85

 

The lack of an extra aptitude lets them get more stuff.

 

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Now, here's the 'heavy mechanized' regiment made using the standard creation rules:

 

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Stats: +2 WS (Plus regular bonus allocation: +3 Agility, -3 Preception, +3 Toughness, and +3 Willpower)

Aptitude: Willpower

Skills: Common Lore(Ecclesiarchy, Imperial Creed, Imperial Guard, War), Intimidate, Operate (Surface)

Talents: Nerves of Steel, Rapid Reload, Street Fighter

+2 Wounds

(Penitent worlder stuff)

One Triplex lasgun and four charge packs
monoknife
2 frag grenades
2 krak grenades
suit of best quality guard flak armor
filtration plugs

one Chimera per squad

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Home world: Penitent
Commander: Phlegmatic
Regiemnt: Mechanized
Doctrine: Hardened Fighters, Iron discipline

Gear allocation:
15 Rare weapon
10 best quality upgrade
5 filtration plugs

 

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So the difference?

 

The 'standard' regiment has room for an aptitude

 

Stats are the same.

 

They have the same number of skills.

 

The 'flexible' regiment has Nerves of Steel and Unshakable Faith, the 'Standard' regiment has Nerves of Steel, Rapid Reload, Street Fighter

 

The flexible regiment has 1 more magazine.

The standard regiment has 2 krak grenades; 2 smoke grenades for the flexible regiment

The standard regiment has a monoknife; mono melee attachment for the flexible

The flexible regiment has worse armor (light carapace) vs. best quality Flak armor. 

The flexible regiment has a respirator, while the standard regiment only has filtration plugs

The flexible regiment has a micro-bead, the standard regiment doesn't.

 

So they are almost identical, except the standard regiment has room for a stat aptitude, and the flexible regiment doesn't.

Edited by crusher bob

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