Collateral Damage- Peril in Pelargir

[legolas18 114]

I am almost positive I have already asked this question, but I can't find it. I've searched for it, but can't find anything. My question is: When do all of Collateral Damage's effects happen? More specifically, the card says this: "When Revealed: Discard 2 cards from the top of the encounter deck. Discard an additional 2 cards for each copy of Collateral Damage in the discard pile. ..."  So if I discarded another copy of Collateral Damage from the encounter deck with the initial 2 discarded cards, does that mean I have to discard 2 more for the copy just discarded? Or does the "Discard an additional 2 cards from the encounter deck for each copy of CD in the discard pile" effect happen immediately, at the same time as the initial 2 discarded cards, negating any other CDs discarded from having any effect? 

 

Haha. Sorry if that sounds really unclear. If it doesn't make sense, just tell me and I'll try to make it more comprehensible. Thanks for all your help!

Edited July 17, 2013 by legolas18

[richsabre 358]

i see your question. here's my view-

the 'when revealed' effect happens immediatly and says 'discard 2 extra etc...in the discard pile'

 

so im guessing here you are meant to check through the discard pile, count them, then work out how many.

no extra gets added by what you discard through the effect

thats how i play it

interesting question

rich

[legolas18 114]

Okay. Thanks for the response. I've been playing that way, but I was never sure if I was playing it right... Anyway, thanks.

[booored 247]

No...

 

When Revealed: Discard 2 cards from the top of the encounter deck. Discard an additional 2 cards for each copy of Collateral Damage in the discard pile. Then, raise each player's threat by 2 for each location discarded by this effect.

 

I couldn't really read your post.. it didn't make a lot of sense.. but I can tell you how the card works.

 

When you read card text ordering matters. The reveled effect isn't all happening at a single moment, it just starts and then fully resolves before any new effect. The card text in fact happens in the order you read the card. There is a specific reason why there is a full stop. Think of them as phases...

 

Words like "and" "when" "then" etc etc have great meaning in card games.

 

So..

1. The card is revealed
2. Discard 2 Cards (Full stop end of a card resolution phase)
3. Look in discard pile, then discard 2 more cards for each copies of Collateral Damage in the discard (Full stop end of a card resolution phase)
4. Then raise threat by 2 for each location discarded.

Short: YES. You discard more cards if you discard Collateral Damage cards in phase 1

 

Long Version: If you discard any Collateral Damage cards in phase 1.. then you include them then working out if you need to discard any extra cards. As the "discard extra cards stuff" occurs AFTER you have discarded in the next phase of the card. So the Collateral Damage cards are in the discard pile when you go to resolve phase 2.  BUT... as that "action" is in phase 2 .. any MORE Collateral Damage cards that are discarded in phase 2 DO NOT require you to discard more cards as the "discard extra cards stuff" has already triggered and resolved.

 

It is also worth noting that the trigger card itself (the one you originally reveled form the deck) dose not go in the yard until it is fully resolved. So it dose nto count itself in phase 2. When the entire card has resolved, that is when it goes into the yard.

Edited July 19, 2013 by booored

[legolas18 114]

Hmm. Okay... It sure sounds like on the card that everything is discarded at once, because there isn't a "then" in between the first sentence and the second, in which case the first text would have to successfully resolve before the second could happen. It sounds like a joint discard. But you're reasoning does make sense. Hmm.

[legolas18 114]

And just as a quick side question... How do you search the forums for topics? 

[Nerdmeister 144]

Hmm. Okay... It sure sounds like on the card that everything is discarded at once, because there isn't a "then" in between the first sentence and the second, in which case the first text would have to successfully resolve before the second could happen. It sounds like a joint discard. But you're reasoning does make sense. Hmm.

You´re right, there isn´t a "then" in the card text. I´m quite sure Booored would be hard pressed finding anything concrete to back up his claim.

Could always take the question to the developers if you want to.

Edited July 20, 2013 by Nerdmeister

[legolas18 114]

I just did. We'll settle this once and for all!

[booored 247]

 

Hmm. Okay... It sure sounds like on the card that everything is discarded at once, because there isn't a "then" in between the first sentence and the second, in which case the first text would have to successfully resolve before the second could happen. It sounds like a joint discard. But you're reasoning does make sense. Hmm.

You´re right, there isn´t a "then" in the card text.

 

 

 "then" Links text together. So for one part ot resolve the 1st must.. it is like a forced response inside the card text. So "blah blah blah then blam blam blam" means that blah blah blah HAS to occur before blam blam blam. if Blah blah blah fizzles then as it has not occurred the "then" text can not activate. Think of it as linking a forced response between the two parts fo the sentence.

 

Example: Drop and smash a plate THEN sweep up the shards.

 

If you never drop the plate, then you can not sweep up the shared. So... if the first effect of the sentence fizzles and dose not occur, any THEN text afterwards would also fissile. If it was AND then it wouldn't be like this, each would resolve.. but to save card text room they just put a full stop.

 

So there is no THEN in the card text as it is using fullstops to separate the effects as unrelated sections of the card resolution.

Edited July 20, 2013 by booored

[Nerdmeister 144]

You´re right, there isn´t a "then" in the card text. I´m quite sure Booored would be hard pressed finding anything concrete to back up his claim.

Could always take the question to the developers if you want to.

 

I see you prefer sticking to just claiming. See I even high-lighted an important word for you. Just to be nice

[legolas18 114]

The answer came in!

 

"When Revealed" effects are resolved on a sentence-by-sentence basis. When Collateral Damage is revealed, you discard the top 2 cards of your deck first. Then you discard 2 additional cards for each copy of Collateral Damage in the discard pile. Lastly you count the number of locations just discarded and raise your threat by the appropriate amount.
If a copy of Collateral Damage is discarded by the first sentence, then you would count that copy when resolving the second sentence.
Cheers,
Caleb

 

Congrats to booored to winning the game.   I guess that "then" didn't have to be said when there's already a period seperating the sentences!

[richsabre 358]

great- thanks for that....its good to get a clarification, not matter how you get there

[legolas18 114]

Definitely. (here I'll add a lot of smiley faces, just to make a long enough post)                 

[Glaurung 444]

The answer came in!

 

"When Revealed" effects are resolved on a sentence-by-sentence basis. When Collateral Damage is revealed, you discard the top 2 cards of your deck first. Then you discard 2 additional cards for each copy of Collateral Damage in the discard pile. Lastly you count the number of locations just discarded and raise your threat by the appropriate amount.

If a copy of Collateral Damage is discarded by the first sentence, then you would count that copy when resolving the second sentence.

Cheers,

Caleb

 

Congrats to booored to winning the game.   I guess that "then" didn't have to be said when there's already a period seperating the sentences!

But why you was doubt about it? There is clean explonation on the card. You dont need to bother designers to check black is black and white is white.

[Nerdmeister 144]

The answer came in!

 

"When Revealed" effects are resolved on a sentence-by-sentence basis. When Collateral Damage is revealed, you discard the top 2 cards of your deck first. Then you discard 2 additional cards for each copy of Collateral Damage in the discard pile. Lastly you count the number of locations just discarded and raise your threat by the appropriate amount.

If a copy of Collateral Damage is discarded by the first sentence, then you would count that copy when resolving the second sentence.

Cheers,

Caleb

 

Congrats to booored to winning the game.   I guess that "then" didn't have to be said when there's already a period seperating the sentences!

Now that is excactly the "anything concrete" I was looking for.