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Corrupted Adeptus Sororitas

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Basically, is it still cannon that non of the AS have ever fallen? I wanted to try usin g one as a character but don't know if it's legit.

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I can't answer this for sure. I was always of the opinion that the Grey Knights are the only one where no member has ever fallen to Chaos. In addition I belive that Sororitas use the corruption track in Dark Heresy like all the other classes, but please correct me if I am wrong there. I belive that there was also a alternativ starter pack in the radicals handbook for a kind of expeled, but not fallen Sister.

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I don't know if it's been done but I don't see any issue with playing a fallen Adeptus Sororitas. If Inquisitors and Astartes can fall there is no reason why a Sister of Battle couldn't as well.

I had a concept of my own for making a fallen Sororitas using the renegade archetype and think it has a lot of room for interesting storylines and character development as well as allowing for a really cool back story.

Also remember we all shape the world to our own images when we play the game so if you want to do it I say go for it!

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 From Codex Sisters of Battle (2nd Ed.) only one Sister has ever fallen to the Dark Powers.

 

Miriael Sabathiel

 

 Of course, in additional literature, most especially in the graphic novel Daemonifuge, several Sisters were seduced and corrupted; and in Cain's Last Stand, where an entire Mission was converted. 

 

 Naturally, I prefer to go with Codex only. (Since I have an SOB army, my opinion is skewed. Sue me)

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Do you roll on the power armor customization shart if you get one at character creation? Hers hasn 't been wandering around the Vortex.

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By the rules you do but if you decide not to roll on it I don't see a problem with that or else you could factor the roll into her background somehow.

Also just because she hasn't been in the Screaming Vortex doesn't mean she can't have dedicated her armour to her new faith……

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If your GM is cool with it just assume you rolled the quality that gives you all of the systems operational, 'well maintained' or something like that, to represent the fact that it's recently been under the care of people who know what the hell they're doing.

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i ran a game once where i let a girl play a corrupted sister hospitaler. we basicaly built her out of the dark herasey book and used the rules in black crusade to bring her over as a renegade ( dedicated to khorn to boot), as she was level one it was not that hard. She also happened to be the party medic so it all worked out…except this one time she injected some bloodletter blood just to see what would happen to the party psycer lol.

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Well this what I wound up with. A lot of XP are needed to buy requisite background skills.

I got her a hand flamer even though she doesn't have the Talent to use it (not enough XP) just to get some use out of the "power-supply tampeing roll" for the armor. Maybe I should just go with a laspistol instead.

The tentaive background is that she wanted to be leader of her convent, felt cheated out of it by the other sisters, Slaanesh whisper whisper whisper…

 

Race:                   Human

Archetype:          Renegade

Special Ability:   Adroit (Ballistic Skill)

Pride:                   Charm

Disgrace:             Deceit

Motivation:        Dominion

Alignment:          Unaligned (Slaanesh 2)

 

Weapon Skill:     41

Ballistic Skill:      42

Strength:             38

Toughness:         32

Agility:                 29

Intelligence:       40

Perception:         30

Willpower:          42

Fellowship:         46

Infamy:                25

 

Wounds:             11

 

Traits: The Quick and the Dead

Talents: Jaded, Quick Draw, Rapid Reload, Weapon Training (Bolt, Chain, Las, Primary, SP), Heavy Weapon Training (Flame), Catfall, Deadeye Shot, Takedown, Hip Shooting

Skills: Athletics (S), Awareness (Per), Charm (Fel), Common Lore (Ecclesiarchy, Imperial Creed, Imperium, War) (Int), Deceive (Fel), Dodge (Ag) +10, Intimidate (S), Linguistics (High Gothic, Low Gothic) (Int), Medicae (Int), Operate (Surface) (Ag), Parry (WS), Scholastic Lore (Imperial Creed, Tactica Imperialis) (Int), Survival (Per), Trade (Copyist) (Int)

Advancements: Scholastic Lore (Imperial Creed) (200), Common Lore (Imperium) (200), Linguistics (High Gothic) (200), Charm (200), Deceive (200)

Weapons: good-craftsmanship bolter, best-craftsmanship hand-flamer, best-craftsmanship chainsword

Armour: Common-craftsmanship light power armour with power-supply tampering, auto-senses, magnetized boot soles, and sustainable power source

Gear: Medikit, dataslate

Acquisitions: Light power armour, best-craftsmanship hand-flamer

 

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Nice job!

And once she masters that hand flamer she will be a true scourge of the galaxy. Perhaps one day she will lead her own convent after all, dedicated of course to the true gods and ready to drown the servants of the Corpse Emperor in the flames of retribution.

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btw inqusition can fall to chaos if you played SpaceMarine (the game for pc xbox and i think for PS) there is a inqusitor that where chaos and there are 2 chapters that cant fall to chaos its: grey knights and SpaceWolfs and there is only 3 chapters with all the space marine abilities (loyalists) DarkAngels,UltraMarines and greyknights hope this helps

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As far as I care only the Grey Knights and the Adeptus Custades have remained totally resilient to Chaos. That an organization as large and diverse as the Sister of Battle would only produce a single Apostate in several millennia makes no sense to me. As I run my 40k millions of Adepta Sororitas have fallen throughout the years.

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Hell, I'd imagine Grey Knights and the like can Fall just like anyone else. They've just been lucky (or writer's darlings) so far.  Making someone's organization 'immune' to the kind of pride and human failing that leads to falling to Chaos seems, to me, to break with the most interesting element of Chaos. Everyone, Marine or Human, is tempted at some point. So if you want a Fallen Sororita or to write a story where the unthinkable happens and a Knight finally succumbs, go for it!

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Basically, is it still cannon that non of the AS have ever fallen? I wanted to try usin g one as a character but don't know if it's legit.

 

To quote Aaron Dembski-Bowden: "there is no canon". If you go by Codex fluff, the Sisters are incorruptible. If you go by Dark Millennium, only one has ever fallen. If you go by Daemonifuge, entire convents have been turned.

 

FFG's RPG has already taken a lot of liberties with the Adepta Sororitas, causing considerable differences to the original GW material, so I don't see why you shouldn't make use of this lack of consistency and follow through with your idea, if you think it fits into your game. 40k is a setting each of us is supposed to take possession of. Gav Thorpe explained this a bit on his blog.

 

So, don't be afraid to insert your own ideas and change things that you don't like. The only thing I'd recommend is making sure the players in your group are with you on that! One of the worst things that could happen is when the GM has a different idea of the world than one or more of his/her players, as it may cause a breach in immersion!

 

I can't answer this for sure. I was always of the opinion that the Grey Knights are the only one where no member has ever fallen to Chaos. In addition I belive that Sororitas use the corruption track in Dark Heresy like all the other classes, but please correct me if I am wrong there. I belive that there was also a alternativ starter pack in the radicals handbook for a kind of expeled, but not fallen Sister.

 

Interestingly, the current GK Codex mentions an occurrence where the Grey Knights apparently depended on the Adepta Sororitas to protect them from corruption, as they used the blood of the Sisters to "inoculate" themselves against the Bloodtide.

It is of note that this is but a circumstancial account, but still fascinating that, apparently, the Grey Knight's immunity against Chaos is not an innate ability but rather stems from their knowledge on how to achieve it.

 

But it really depends on what sources one is looking at, because this is not a unified setting, and just because one book says something it need not be the same in another.

 

For example, the Exiled Sister in the Radical's Handbook you're thinking of was introduced as a Latent Psyker whose powers awakened after having joined a convent, causing her to be thrown out. This is incompatible to GW's own fluff, which flat out stated that "no Adepta Sororitas character will ever have psychic powers of any sort" - presumably referring to purity tests carried out in the Schola Progenium, where the psyker gene would have been discovered before the applicant would have even been considered for the Sisterhood.

But Dark Heresy is different in this regard, too, for it allows not only Schola but also Feudal World background for Sisters.

 

 

As for what makes the Sisters more resilient to corruption in GW's fluff ... they've been indoctrinated since infancy and don't even ever had another life they could remember and live in a heavily reglemented monastic lifestyle, isolated from the outside world, full of penance and humility. And it's not that they couldn't get corrupted at all, but that they live under such an extreme level of control that the slightest deviation results in severe chastisement, up to and including transfer into the Repentia. Under such conditions, it's difficult for corruption to take root and develop into something serious.

 

I like how the short story "Daemonblood" from Ben Counter touches upon this interpretation:

 

"What curiously small creatures you are to present such a thorn in my side." The words roared and rumbled through the air, thick with dark amusement. "What little bundles of ignorant flesh. I am Parmenides, called the Vile, chosen Prince of Nurgle. I am the virus which the Plague God sends to infect your mortal worlds. I am the festering in your wounded empire. Do creatures as insignificant as yourselves have names too, I wonder?" 
"Sergeant Castus of the Ultramarines, Second Company", the Marine replied in a defiant voice, as if he were trying to impress the daemon prince. 
The horrific gaze turned to Aescarion, questioning. 
"I would not give you my name, though it cost my soul", the Battle Sister snarled, and she gripped her axe tighter. 
"Such a shame", Parmenides replied. "But the girl I can understand. Her mind is most infertile. What has she ever questioned? They teach her and she believes." 

 

 From Codex Sisters of Battle (2nd Ed.) only one Sister has ever fallen to the Dark Powers.

Miriael Sabathiel

 

Is that from Lexicanum? Because it's wrong. The Codex does not mention Miriael at all - that character is mentioned solely in the Sabretooth "Dark Millennium" TCG and the accompanying short story "The Invitation" from Dan Abnett.

Don't blindly trust the wikis. Always check the sources for yourself!

 

That being said, her original fluff is so awesome and badass that I have adopted it into my personal interpretation of the setting, too.  :ph34r:

 

As far as I care only the Grey Knights and the Adeptus Custades have remained totally resilient to Chaos. That an organization as large and diverse as the Sister of Battle would only produce a single Apostate in several millennia makes no sense to me. As I run my 40k millions of Adepta Sororitas have fallen throughout the years.

 

Well, if you go by GW fluff, Sisters of Battle would seem to number in the tens of thousands, not millions.  ;)

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As far as I care only the Grey Knights and the Adeptus Custades have remained totally resilient to Chaos. That an organization as large and diverse as the Sister of Battle would only produce a single Apostate in several millennia makes no sense to me. As I run my 40k millions of Adepta Sororitas have fallen throughout the years.

 

Well, if you go by GW fluff, Sisters of Battle would seem to number in the tens of thousands, not millions.  ;)

 

Answer: Really? I thought they were a HUGE organization capable to launching wars of their own. But well, tjhat's something I'll need to change in my 40k.

Edited by Gurkhal

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Really? I thought they were a HUGE organization capable to launching wars of their own. But well, tjhat's something I'll need to change in my 40k.

 

Going by Codex fluff, the six Major Orders have ~3.000-4.000 Battle Sisters each, and these six are the ones you see waging the larger wars throughout Imperial space and beyond. There is also an undefined number of Minor Orders with ~100 Sisters (+/-50) that take care of local stuff such as guarding a shrine or protecting a pilgrim route etc, who are much more spread out, and due to this distribution an ideal contact for the Inquisition.

 

If the Ecclesiarchy goes to war, it also raises Frateris Militia bands from the local population, and often convinces elements of the Imperial Guard to join in the endeavour. In such cases, the SoB are both the backbone and the spearhead of the army, but not its largest component. Here and here are two Force Disposition Charts from two different wars in GW's books where you can compare the size of the SoB contingent to that of the Astartes or the Guard.

 

But yeah, I'd say FFG's own current version of the Sororitas actually supports your vision of the setting. Unless we really think that the Calixis sector is so important that the Sisterhood would send a full third of one of its six Major Orders there. And more.   ;)

With Blood of Martyrs, the new writers have buffed those numbers considerably compared to the old Black Industries material - back when the Inquisitor's Handbook was new, there were only 50 Battle Sisters in the sector, and even that was said to be unusual.

 

 

[edit] To add something for OP, this is a quick description of Miriael I posted some time ago - perhaps it (together with the attached links) helps to flesh out a similar character for your campaign?

 

[...] someone who did catch my eye was Miriael Sabathiel, the Fallen Battle Sister and Champion of Slaanesh. In the material published by Sabertooth as they had the license, she was a major power in the struggle for the Pyrus Reach, having her own warband complete with an Inferno-class battlecruiser for a flagship and surrounding herself with a bunch of Daemonettes and a bodyguard of Emperors Children CSM Terminators, as well as a bunch of other Chaos Marines and Cultists as foot troops. Dan Abnett once wrote a short story about her origin.

Edited by Lynata

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While it's certainly possible that an extremely small organization would be given an inordinarily large amount of spotlight in 40k (just like you can't throw a stone in a warzon without having it bitten in two by a Catachan - wasn't that supposed to be a sparsely populated death world?), a few tens of thousands would be.... well, next to nothing. Certainly nothing that was notable in a setting where wars routinely engulf entire planets (IIRC, our planet alone has about 20 million people in various armed forces, meaning they'd outnumber the entire Adeptus Sororitas about 1000:1).

 

For example, the Exiled Sister in the Radical's Handbook you're thinking of was introduced as a Latent Psyker whose powers awakened after having joined a convent, causing her to be thrown out. This is incompatible to GW's own fluff, which flat out stated that "no Adepta Sororitas character will ever have psychic powers of any sort" - presumably referring to purity tests carried out in the Schola Progenium, where the psyker gene would have been discovered before the applicant would have even been considered for the Sisterhood.

Unless I've read that wrong, that's not fluff, but game rules that can be interpreted differently - either there just flat-out exist no psychic sisters or no sister with psychic powers would be allowed to remain in the convent and possibly be serving an Inquisitor in their cadre while still being considered a sister and given access to the standard wargear of the sisterhood.

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Chaos Sororita?

How Heretical!

 

Seriously though, even if you can't play an ACTUAL Fallen Sister, I've always wondered why Chaos hasn't created it's own twisted mockery of the Daughters' of the Emperor?

To that end, who's to say your character didn't just loot her Armor of a Dead Sororita out of jealousy or spite?

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A few tends of thousands of Soroitas in the galaxy wpould make them completely useless as an armed branch of the Ecclesiarchy. That's probably smaller thatn the police force in New York City.

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Unless I've read that wrong, that's not fluff, but game rules that can be interpreted differently - either there just flat-out exist no psychic sisters or no sister with psychic powers would be allowed to remain in the convent and possibly be serving an Inquisitor in their cadre while still being considered a sister and given access to the standard wargear of the sisterhood.

 

If you prefer your interpretation, go with it - 40k doesn't have a "real" canon anyways, so even though I think that line is fairly clear, it doesn't really mean anything. As far as I'm concerned, it makes sense, as psychic potential was described to be genetically inherited before, and it is reasonable that the Schola Progenium would test any of its students for genetic purity (signs of mutation) at the time they arrive at the facility.

 

 

 

A few tends of thousands of Soroitas in the galaxy wpould make them completely useless as an armed branch of the Ecclesiarchy. That's probably smaller thatn the police force in New York City.

 

While it's certainly possible that an extremely small organization would be given an inordinarily large amount of spotlight in 40k (just like you can't throw a stone in a warzon without having it bitten in two by a Catachan - wasn't that supposed to be a sparsely populated death world?), a few tens of thousands would be.... well, next to nothing. Certainly nothing that was notable in a setting where wars routinely engulf entire planets (IIRC, our planet alone has about 20 million people in various armed forces, meaning they'd outnumber the entire Adeptus Sororitas about 1000:1).

 

I don't see the problem. There are only 1.000.000 Space Marines either, yet no-one is complaining about the frequency of their appearances in the fluff. The Ultramarines are 1.000 men, yet they are mentioned far, far more often than any of the six Major Orders of the Sisterhood that are several times as large. Same for a whole lot of other Astartes Chapters.

 

Similarly, the Imperial Guard's Storm Trooper regiment was said to be only 10.000 men strong as well. It's not a question of being everywhere at once, it's a question of having the right amount of troops at the right spot at the right time.

And note how 99% of the time, you really only ever hear about the Major Orders, who together have been said to have a maximum headcount of 30k in the Codex fluff. The smaller Minor Orders are more spread out, but these receive next to no mention because they just don't get engulfed in those "routine wars" as often, the most famous exception being the convent of the Ermine Mantle at the Cadian Gate. Whenever you have the Sororitas show up in force - which really isn't all that often in the fluff - it is always one of the Major Orders.

 

The (relatively) small size of the Sisterhood is, to me, the perfect explanation for why they show up in the fluff comparatively seldom, compared to the other armies. The first and foremost line of defence for the Ecclesiarchy is and has always been its warrior priesthood and the Frateris Militia. The Sororitas are a symbol of the Church Militant's might and a reminder of its power, but they are not its primary power itself. That would be the people. The worshippers.

 

In the words of the great Sebastian Thor: "A single man with faith can triumph over a legion of the faithless. Untold billions of the faithful can never be opposed."  ;) 

 

This also ties in to the Decree Passive. If you have millions of Battle Sisters, with each Order armed with (in Codex fluff) "arms and armour the equal of any Space Marine Chapter", and even being deployed to purge rogue Astartes, I could see a lot of people becoming nervous about the Church's martial might. The low numbers of the Sisterhood are also a sign of its extreme membership requirements (the 2E 'dex lets you follow up on the very, very slow growth of this organisation which took several millennia to simply triple its size after Vandire). Plus, In my 40k, I also like my power armour to be a rare sight...

 

 

To be honest, I think that some people just don't like that, in GW's vision of the 41st millennium, the Space Marines are not the only rare and elite force of the IoM. If there are fans who don't like that (which is somewhat understandable, since their representation changes heavily depending on where you look, so a lot of people will have "grown up" with a different idea of them), there's no need to go this route. I just thought I'd point out how the original background describes it, as to at least raise awareness that there are several different options here.

Edited by Lynata

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Space Marines are a rapid strike force and not the official military arm of an enormous (and hugely wealthy) organization. Yes they are absurd, but not this level of extreme absurdity.

 

Why would the Ecclesiarchy have such a tiny force? They're highly trained people in power armor. There's nothing artificially keeping their numbers down as in the case with the Space Marine implant process or rules limiting size of Chapters. The Ecclesiarchy would have to be complete morons. "Yep let's totally make our elite military arm as small as possible."

 

A few tens of thousands of people is, what, the student body of San Diego State University. Wow.

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