Etviolator 0 Posted May 17, 2013 Hello!! If an opponent try to play "Bastard" attachement http://www.cardgamedb.com/index.php/GoTCards.html/_/lions-of-the-rock/bastard-lotr on a Maester character with several chain attachements already on him, and Layton Hightower http://www.cardgamedb.com/index.php/GoTCards.html/_/secrets-of-oldtown/gates-of-the-citadel/leyton-hightower-gotc is in play will he protect the chain attachements of the Maester from beeing discarded?? Can the chain attachements be "saved' because of the Maesters immunity due to Layton?? Thanks in advance!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daenarys 9 Posted May 17, 2013 Etviolator said: Hello!! If an opponent try to play "Bastard" attachement http://www.cardgamedb.com/index.php/GoTCards.html/_/lions-of-the-rock/bastard-lotr on a Maester character with several chain attachements already on him, and Layton Hightower http://www.cardgamedb.com/index.php/GoTCards.html/_/secrets-of-oldtown/gates-of-the-citadel/leyton-hightower-gotc is in play will he protect the chain attachements of the Maester from beeing discarded?? Can the chain attachements be "saved' because of the Maesters immunity due to Layton?? Thanks in advance!! [/quote The bastard attachment would still go on Layton and all subsequent attachments would be discarded however Layton would keep his power icon, no additional attachments could be played on Layton whilst Bastard is attached Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Etviolator 0 Posted May 17, 2013 Daenarys said: Etviolator said: Hello!! If an opponent try to play "Bastard" attachement http://www.cardgamedb.com/index.php/GoTCards.html/_/lions-of-the-rock/bastard-lotr on a Maester character with several chain attachements already on him, and Layton Hightower http://www.cardgamedb.com/index.php/GoTCards.html/_/secrets-of-oldtown/gates-of-the-citadel/leyton-hightower-gotc is in play will he protect the chain attachements of the Maester from beeing discarded?? Can the chain attachements be "saved' because of the Maesters immunity due to Layton?? Thanks in advance!! [/quote The bastard attachment would still go on Layton and all subsequent attachments would be discarded however Layton would keep his power icon, no additional attachments could be played on Layton whilst Bastard is attached The opponent will play the bastard on the Maester not on Layton!! I am asking if the chain attachements on the Maester can be "saved' and not be discarded from the Maester because of Layton's ability… clearly the Maester will not lose the power icon but will the chain attachements stay on him as well?? I believe they will but i am not 100% sure!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daenarys 9 Posted May 17, 2013 Etviolator said: Daenarys said: Etviolator said: Hello!! If an opponent try to play "Bastard" attachement http://www.cardgamedb.com/index.php/GoTCards.html/_/lions-of-the-rock/bastard-lotr on a Maester character with several chain attachements already on him, and Layton Hightower http://www.cardgamedb.com/index.php/GoTCards.html/_/secrets-of-oldtown/gates-of-the-citadel/leyton-hightower-gotc is in play will he protect the chain attachements of the Maester from beeing discarded?? Can the chain attachements be "saved' because of the Maesters immunity due to Layton?? Thanks in advance!! [/quote The bastard attachment would still go on Layton and all subsequent attachments would be discarded however Layton would keep his power icon, no additional attachments could be played on Layton whilst Bastard is attached The opponent will play the bastard on the Maester not on Layton!! I am asking if the chain attachements on the Maester can be "saved' and not be discarded from the Maester because of Layton's ability… clearly the Maester will not lose the power icon but will the chain attachements stay on him as well?? I believe they will but i am not 100% sure!! Oh my mistake. The attachments would be discarded Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daenarys 9 Posted May 17, 2013 Just to further elaborate, I am 100% certain the attachments would be discarded but the reason this would occur is because it is the character that is immune to attachments and therefore would need to affect the character. An example where immunity would be applicable would be Flame Kissed or Harried by Dragons as it is directly affecting the character. Others may have a better / more complete explanation but hopefully this makes sense to you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Etviolator 0 Posted May 17, 2013 Daenarys said: Just to further elaborate, I am 100% certain the attachments would be discarded but the reason this would occur is because it is the character that is immune to attachments and therefore would need to affect the character. An example where immunity would be applicable would be Flame Kissed or Harried by Dragons as it is directly affecting the character. Others may have a better / more complete explanation but hopefully this makes sense to you. Τhank you!! I am expecting an official answer from FFG though i e-mailed the question… Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-Istaril 157 Posted May 17, 2013 There's no reason to wait, Dany is right. There's no controversy on this one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Khudzlin 734 Posted May 17, 2013 What you're looking for is this section in the FAQ: (3.20) Scope of Immunity Immunity only protects a card itself. Peripheral entities attached to or associated with a card, such as attachments, duplicates, power counters, gold tokens on the immune card, and also including triggered effects originating from the immune card, can still be affected by cards of the type to which that card is immune, as long as the affecting cards do not target the immune card. The Maester himself is immune to Bastard, so he keeps his power icon and can have attachments played on him (this is an effect on the character). The attachments are not immune, so they are discarded. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Etviolator 0 Posted May 17, 2013 Stefano Montanari this year's European Champion who played Greyjoy Maester's Path in Stalheck Germany answer me that opponents cannot even choose The Maester as a target to put an attachement on because of the immunity he gains from Layton Hightower!! I believe he is right!! .That is what Stefano answered 'Hi my friend!!! Layton say: maester you controlo are immune to opponent's event and attachmente. This means that your friend can't put BASTARD (an attachment) on your maester…" 'besides rules (F.A.Q. section 3.20) say"as long as the affecting cards do not target the immune card." the affecting card in this case is "bastard" and it cannot even target The Maester because it is immune!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daenarys 9 Posted May 17, 2013 Ok well now i am confused. Khuzadain suggests that even though bastard is attached the character could still play additional attachments because of the immunity. I disagee with this and believe that no additional attachments could be played. Also i disagree with the last post stating that the Maester is immune and therefore the bastard could not be placed in the first place. Again this goes against what i thought . Basically this has opened up a can of worms so clarification from an authority ( yes you Ktom ) would be useful Thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daenarys 9 Posted May 17, 2013 Khudzlin said: What you're looking for is this section in the FAQ: (3.20) Scope of Immunity Immunity only protects a card itself. Peripheral entities attached to or associated with a card, such as attachments, duplicates, power counters, gold tokens on the immune card, and also including triggered effects originating from the immune card, can still be affected by cards of the type to which that card is immune, as long as the affecting cards do not target the immune card. The Maester himself is immune to Bastard, so he keeps his power icon and can have attachments played on him (this is an effect on the character). The attachments are not immune, so they are discarded. Have just been discussing this and i think this is correct . Thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-Istaril 157 Posted May 17, 2013 Again, nothing controversial here. No attachments and Immunity to attachments are not the same thing. No attachments means they cannot have attachments played on them, but are still vulnerable to attachment effects (eg, Poisoned Knife) Immunity to Attachments means they cannot be targetted by or affected by attachments. Playing an attachment is *not* targetting the character is played on. Leyton's Immunity protects him from *all* of the effects of Bastard; in this case, he does not lose the power icon, and he can still have further attachments played on him. Leyton's immunity does not extend to protecting his attachments, which are vulnerable to the effects of Bastard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Etviolator 0 Posted May 17, 2013 -Istaril said: Again, nothing controversial here. No attachments and Immunity to attachments are not the same thing. No attachments means they cannot have attachments played on them, but are still vulnerable to attachment effects (eg, Poisoned Knife) Immunity to Attachments means they cannot be targetted by or affected by attachments. Playing an attachment is *not* targetting the character is played on. Leyton's Immunity protects him from *all* of the effects of Bastard; in this case, he does not lose the power icon, and he can still have further attachments played on him. Leyton's immunity does not extend to protecting his attachments, which are vulnerable to the effects of Bastard. Do not be confused my friend… i am reffering to "bastard" beeing played on a Maester character with chain attachements on him, while Layton is in play… Layton gives to the Maester immunity so the Maester cannot be targeted by opponent's attachements at all (they cannot be placed on the Maester character)… Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vaapad 7 Posted May 17, 2013 He isnt confused, he's correct. Playing an attachment on a character does not "target" th character. The immunity to attachments, as I understand it, does not prevent the attachment from being placed on the Maester - only from the effects of the attachment affecting the maester Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daenarys 9 Posted May 17, 2013 Etviolator said: -Istaril said: Again, nothing controversial here. No attachments and Immunity to attachments are not the same thing. No attachments means they cannot have attachments played on them, but are still vulnerable to attachment effects (eg, Poisoned Knife) Immunity to Attachments means they cannot be targetted by or affected by attachments. Playing an attachment is *not* targetting the character is played on. Leyton's Immunity protects him from *all* of the effects of Bastard; in this case, he does not lose the power icon, and he can still have further attachments played on him. Leyton's immunity does not extend to protecting his attachments, which are vulnerable to the effects of Bastard. Do not be confused my friend… i am reffering to "bastard" beeing played on a Maester character with chain attachements on him, while Layton is in play… Layton gives to the Maester immunity so the Maester cannot be targeted by opponent's attachements at all (they cannot be placed on the Maester character)… Etviolator said: Do not be confused my friend… i am reffering to "bastard" beeing played on a Maester character with chain attachements on him, while Layton is in play… Layton gives to the Maester immunity so the Maester cannot be targeted by opponent's attachements at all (they cannot be placed on the Maester character)… I am disagreeing with this part. Bastard CAN be played on a Maester with multiple chain attachments and they would ALL get discarded however he would then be able to play attachments back on the maester ignoring the text on Bastard Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bomb 66 Posted May 17, 2013 "No attachments" = Attachments cannot played or attached on the card. "Immune to attachments" = Attachment effects cannot affect or target the card. This means attached cards do nothing directly to the card they are attached to. "Immune to attachments" is not inclusive of "No attachments". I give up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mdc273 29 Posted May 17, 2013 Etviolator said: Stefano Montanari this year's European Champion who played Greyjoy Maester's Path in Stalheck Germany answer me that opponents cannot even choose The Maester as a target to put an attachement on because of the immunity he gains from Layton Hightower!! I believe he is right!! .That is what Stefano answered 'Hi my friend!!! Layton say: maester you controlo are immune to opponent's event and attachmente. This means that your friend can't put BASTARD (an attachment) on your maester…" 'besides rules (F.A.Q. section 3.20) say"as long as the affecting cards do not target the immune card." the affecting card in this case is "bastard" and it cannot even target The Maester because it is immune!! I apologize if this comes off as trite, but your European champion was wrong. As others are stating, a character that is Immune to Attachments can still have attachments played on it. They are equally correct in their assessment that Bastard is affecting the attachments and not the character and can therefore knock all of the attachments off of it. The Maester will not be affected by the second portion of Bastard. He will be immune to this effect and can actually have new chains played on him: "Attached character gains the Bastard trait, loses a [Power] icon, and cannot have attachments played on it." This is because he is the subject of the effect in this case. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
