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Failed Fear test in solo mode

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There appears to be no metion of what happens to a Spacemarine that fails a fear test durring combat in Solomode. The core rule book mentions that the battlebrother does not react the same way as normal people due to fear. The core rule book does explain what happens in Squad mode but not in solo mode. Do you use the rules for what happens to normal people and consider "And they shall know no fear", nothing more than a saying?

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Wraith00 said:

 

There appears to be no metion of what happens to a Spacemarine that fails a fear test durring combat in Solomode. The core rule book mentions that the battlebrother does not react the same way as normal people due to fear. The core rule book does explain what happens in Squad mode but not in solo mode. Do you use the rules for what happens to normal people and consider "And they shall know no fear", nothing more than a saying?

 

 

Here is the Deathwatch Errata, in case you do not have it.

http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffg_content/deathwatch/minisite/support/deathwatch-errata-v1.pdf

It doesn't look like this is of any help with your particular question. I've been treating Battle-Brothers in Solo Mode as completely unaffected by Fear. There is a trade-off: If the BB is not in Squad Mode he doesn't benefit from Squad Mode Abilities. They "know no fear" in Solo or Squad Mode, Fear just (possibly) causes Cohesion Damage.

 

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The rules say that Marines in Solomode suffer a -10 on willpower tests per 'level' of fear the enemy has. That's the only effect.

You can find this right at the start of the fear rules for Marines (not the genereal fear rules)

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BossTroll said:

 

The rules say that Marines in Solomode suffer a -10 on willpower tests per 'level' of fear the enemy has. That's the only effect.

You can find this right at the start of the fear rules for Marines (not the genereal fear rules)

 

 

Answer me this, Boy Wonder: Why even make a Fear Test if the only effect is a penalty to the Test? 

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Alekzanter said:

Answer me this, Boy Wonder: Why even make a Fear Test if the only effect is a penalty to the Test? 

Holy Suppressing Fire, Batman! The rulebook doesn't word it very clearly, but I assume that the WP penalty for a failed Fear Test in Solo Mode applies to all WP tests that said Marine has to make, for as long as 'normal' Fear would be effecting a Mortal, i.e. until the thing that caused the Fear Test is no longer a threat. That's not a huge penalty (as befits one who Knows No Fear), but it can be exploited with things like Pinning Tests (which Marines are normally quite resistant to, due to Nerves of Steel).

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And it is really a problem for Libarians. I guess for Libarians the rule penalting the willpower is even worse than the normal rules for mortals. After all PSY directly uses Willpower, right?

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Skyecaptain said:

And it is really a problem for Libarians. I guess for Libarians the rule penalting the willpower is even worse than the normal rules for mortals. After all PSY directly uses Willpower, right?

Yup. Also becomes a problem for the SC when they face enemy psykers, because they might need their WP for comparing rolls to defend. So, for example, an enemy psyker with fear can be a real pain in the ass for the SC!

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Actually, the errata adds the bullet point that the willpower penalty for failed fear checks does not effect focus checks and so do not effect a Librarians ability to use Psi. The penalty can be a pain with other Willpower based rolls though.

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The way I read it is that Space Marines don't even have to make any Fear Test whatsoever.  When faced with Fear causing foes, the suffer a Willpower Test according to the chart if they are in Solo Mode.  If they are in Squad Mode, they suffer Cohesion damage unless the Leader makes the Willpower Test.  Fearless Talent would take away the penalty against Willpower Tests.

It clearly states after both those bullet points that Space Marines are basically unaffected by fear and that the charts for Fear were placed in the book for those that my accompany Space Marines, etc.

~ alemander

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alemander said:

The way I read it is that Space Marines don't even have to make any Fear Test whatsoever.  When faced with Fear causing foes, the suffer a Willpower Test according to the chart if they are in Solo Mode.  If they are in Squad Mode, they suffer Cohesion damage unless the Leader makes the Willpower Test.  Fearless Talent would take away the penalty against Willpower Tests.

It clearly states after both those bullet points that Space Marines are basically unaffected by fear and that the charts for Fear were placed in the book for those that my accompany Space Marines, etc.

~ alemander

 

Yeah, it's not as clearly worded as it could be, but I think that's the intent. Personally, though, I don't like the fact that Space Marines suffer automatic penalties when facing Fear-causing opponents when in Solo Mode, while 'mere mortals' in the same circumstances at least have a chance to avoid any penalties whatsoever; so, I 'house-rule' that Marines do make a Fear check, and recieve the -10 WP per point of Fear only if they fail the test.

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