Hi all! Brand new to the game, using this topic to ask questions as I come across them

[Zacky Midnight 11]

 1

Stark wins military challenge with claim of two

Lannister has varys in play with gilded plate

varys has to die regardless right (assume he is only lannister in play)

2

I can kneel multiple location cards for -1 cost (up to 0 cost), correct?

 3

core set Eddard is hard to keep off the feild after he first gets put down due to stalwart (claiming power each time) correct?

4

planning ahead only affects Lannister if they play that plot, right?

5

wolf attachment on ned, the kill everything plot is played. The wolf can kneel saving ned and itself? Unless if that plot says can not be saved in which case disregard this question.

 

Many more to come, thank you all for helping me get the hang of this game!

 

[Zacky Midnight 11]

6

can i play conditions like shadow blesing on ANY character or does it have to be my own?

7

Lightbringer is vigilant so I can stand him (it?) if i win a challenge correct?

8

Ser Davos Seaworth seems unkillable to me, he either stays on the feild or goes to the hand. Is this correct?

9

Do characters with abilities like Knight of flowers claim power for the house card or the character card?

 

all questions from core set

 

[Sttyca 20]

1. No. A single character can only be chosen for claim once. So, a 2 claim plot is useless in military challenges against a 1 character board with a save (unless getting rid of the save is your intention).

2. Yes, as long as the card you are kneeling them to reduce meets the criteria for all the reducers used.

3. Unless you can blank him through fortified position or an event card, then yes, he's hard to keep off the field (providing your opponent has the resources to keep paying for him). Also remember, they are still losing that power everytime he dies or is discarded.

4. No, it affects anyone who did not spend their gold during the round. You skip the entire taxation phase, so everyone keeps their gold.

5. Which wolf attachment are you referring to. This is legal, as long as the attachment has a save effect. (and I think you're refering to Valar Morghulis as the plot in question, which does not say "cannot be saved," so saves are legal).

6. If it doesn't say specifically "play on a character you control" or something similar, then you can play it on whomever you like, as long as they meet the requirements for the attachment, and can have them. (some characters are "no attachments," and some attachments name a specific trait or house affiliation that they must be attached to). Not sure you'd want to play that card on an opponent's character, though. ;-)

7. Yes, but only if you win as the attacker, as per vigilant rules text.

8. As long as they have the gold to spend, and the person trying to kill him doesn't use a "cannot be saved" effect, or blank him, then yes. He's pretty much unkillable.

9.It is claimed for the character (which means it will disappear if and when that character is killed or discarded from play, or returned to your hand).

[Zacky Midnight 11]

10. Does the gold on Tawain Core set get taxed?

11. before challenges are started, right after challenge phase begins, each player can take an action right? So for example shae could kneel and use her power before any challenge is initated even if lanister does not have initiative,

12. Jon snow, Ghost, Hodor, maester aeomon and bran are out. Wildfire assault plot is played. Can I save ghost, hodor and bran. and then kneel ghost to save jon and aeomon to save himself?

[ktom 598]

10. During the taxation phase, you take the gold tokens in your gold pool and return them to the treasury. If a gold token is somewhere other than your gold pool, taxation doesn't touch them. (Similarly, if something refers to the gold in your gold pool - like getting +1 to your dominance count for each gold in your gold pool - if the gold is anywhere other than your gold pool, it doesn't count.)

11. Yes. There is a player action window before the first challenge is initiated in the challenge phase.

12. Wildfire Assault specifically says "cannot be saved." So while the question includes some creative use of character abilities, the basic premise of "I can save my characters from being killed by Wildfire" ends up being incorrect.

[Ratatoskr 34]

Zacky Midnight said:

 

10. Does the gold on Tawain Core set get taxed?

11. before challenges are started, right after challenge phase begins, each player can take an action right? So for example shae could kneel and use her power before any challenge is initated even if lanister does not have initiative,

12. Jon snow, Ghost, Hodor, maester aeomon and bran are out. Wildfire assault plot is played. Can I save ghost, hodor and bran. and then kneel ghost to save jon and aeomon to save himself?

 

 

10. No. In the Taxation phase, you return gold that *is* in your gold pool to the treasury. The gold on Tywin is not in your gold pool; you can just spend it *as if it was* in your gold pool. That also means that the gold on Tywin does not count for Dominance.

11. Correct.

12. You can't save any characters from Wildfire Assault, because it says Cannot Be Saved. The characters not killed by Wildfire are not saved either; they are chosen not to be killed; that means they are never affected by any kill effect in the first place and don't *need* to be saved.

Let's say the revealed plot is Valar Morghulis instead of Wildfire: Here you can use Ghost to save Jon and Aemon to save himself. Ghost would die though.

EDIT: Ninja'd by ktom, as usual. *Sigh*. One of these days…

[Khudzlin 734]

Or you could save Aemon with Ghost and Jon with Aemon, since both save effects affect Night's Watch characters (the result being the same).

[ktom 598]

Khudzlin said:

Or you could save Aemon with Ghost and Jon with Aemon, since both save effects affect Night's Watch characters (the result being the same).

And for Wildfire, the results are still exactly the same: nada. Because "cannot be saved" still applies, no matter who wants to save whom.  

[Zacky Midnight 11]

this is so helpful, im getting the hang of things already.

 

12. if i play a limited during set up, can i play another during my first marshalling phase? I'm assuming I can because setup isnt a part of the first turn.

13. I'm a little confused about how deadly works. This is my understanding.

         Deadly str 4 vs defender str 2 with a claim of 1 intrigue challenge

                    defender dies and 1 card discarded random

        Deadly str 4 vs defender str 2 with a claim of 1 military challenge

                    smartest move would be to satisfy claim with the participating character as once he dies, no one is left to die to deadly

         Deadly str 5 vs. defender str 1 and defender str 2  with a claim of 1 military challenge

                defender str 2 satisfies the claim however the other defender would die to deadly

         Deadly str 5 vs. defender deadly str 5 with a claim of 1 military challenge

                would only lose 1 character to claim, doesnt have to be participating

is this correct?

 

[J_Roel 7]

Correct on both counts.

12. Because setup occurs before the first round, a limited card placed during setup won't count towards your 1 limited card in round 1.

13. If the number of deadly participants on the attackers side of the challenge is greater, deadly will kill a defending participant, but claim is satisfied before passives resolve, so a single defender killed to military claim means noone is left to die to deadly. If the number of deadly participants is equal, no defender will die to deadly, so any claim can be handled as usual. The only scenario you seem to have left out is 1 Deadly attacker with less strength than a non-deadly defender. In this case, there is no claim, but the defending character will still die to deadly, as deadly resolves in the same manner whether an attack is successful or not.

[Khudzlin 734]

ktom said:

And for Wildfire, the results are still exactly the same: nada. Because "cannot be saved" still applies, no matter who wants to save whom.  

I was referring to your example with Valar Morghulis, of course.

[Ratatoskr 34]

Khudzlin said:

ktom said:

 

And for Wildfire, the results are still exactly the same: nada. Because "cannot be saved" still applies, no matter who wants to save whom.  

 

 

I was referring to your example with Valar Morghulis, of course.

I think that was me bringing up Valar. Don't confuse ktom…

[Zacky Midnight 11]

14  str 3 deadly vs str 2 defender with gilded plate in a military challenge claim 1.  Plate is lost to claim, character lost to deadly?

15 bowl of brown played on ceresie from lions of the rock. What part of her text is removed?

16  bastard is played on core Sansa. Lannister gets to draw a card correct?

 

[Khudzlin 734]

14. Correct. But note the save isn't mandatory, so knowing the character will die anyway (and the Plate be discarded), you might as well not bother.

15. The text remains, but the Response is not usable (she stills doesn't kneel to attack in [iNT] challenges).

16. It is Sansa's controller's choice to trigger the response, not the player who played the attachment. I know I wouldn't trigger it unless it rid my Sansa of several negative attachments (I would instead consign such a player to the Others).

[Zacky Midnight 11]

17. Core renly with a duplicate and the knight that kneels a influence to save a lord.  Targ plays burnt kssed(the one that says -2 str and dead if 0) on renly. Renly dies no matter what correct?

18. Brianne core affected by deadly and stealth? What are the two briannes not affected by?

[Sttyca 20]

Zacky Midnight said:

17. Core renly with a duplicate and the knight that kneels a influence to save a lord.  Targ plays burnt kssed(the one that says -2 str and dead if 0) on renly. Renly dies no matter what correct?

18. Brianne core affected by deadly and stealth? What are the two briannes not affected by?

17. Yes, because burn, especially from an attachment, is a permanent effect (if it said till end of phase and you could boost STR in saving, would be a different story), and saving would just waste your influence in this case.

18. yes, she is affected. The only things she is immune to are passive text and triggered effects on characters (see earlier explanantions on triggered effects). keywords like stealth and deadly do not count for this category.

[Khudzlin 734]

17. Actually, a save that would either increase the character's strength (even only until the end of the phase - like Moqorro), attach a card to the character (remember that Flame Kissed's text is "If attached character has no other attachments, […]" - like Risen from the Sea) or remove the character from play (CS Viserys) is perfectly valid, because at the end of its resolution, the character is out of its terminal state and this is what counts for being allowed to trigger a save from a terminal effect (aka burn).

18. The definition of "character abilities" in the FAQ specifically excludes Traits (bold italics) and Keywords (Stealth, Deadly). The other Brienne (from PotS - nicknamed "Shut-up" in our playgroup) is not immune to anything, but while she is in a challenge, opponents cannot trigger effects (passive effects still go off and constant effects still apply). Outside of a challenge, she is as vulnerable to card effects as any other card.

(3.7) Card Abilities
"Card abilities" (i.e. "Character ability," "Location ability," or "Attachment ability") refers to anything in a card's text box, except for traits, keywords, and flavor text. "Card abilities" also refers to any abilities (again, keywords and traits are excluded) gained by card effects.

[ktom 598]

Khudzlin said:

18. The definition of "character abilities" in the FAQ specifically excludes Traits (bold italics) and Keywords (Stealth, Deadly). The other Brienne (from PotS - nicknamed "Shut-up" in our playgroup) is not immune to anything, but while she is in a challenge, opponents cannot trigger effects (passive effects still go off and constant effects still apply). Outside of a challenge, she is as vulnerable to card effects as any other card.

(3.7) Card Abilities
"Card abilities" (i.e. "Character ability," "Location ability," or "Attachment ability") refers to anything in a card's text box, except for traits, keywords, and flavor text. "Card abilities" also refers to any abilities (again, keywords and traits are excluded) gained by card effects.

A lot of your recent questions are indicating that you're ready to read the FAQ. Many of the answers you are seeking are in there. you can find it here.

[J_Roel 7]

Oops, didn't realize there was a second page when posting my comment. I'd delete this one if I could.

[Zacky Midnight 11]

19 bronn str 3 gets stinking drunk. Then cunning rat is added. Is he str 1 or 2?

20. Damp hair. Can he play himself? I would think not bc he says play a 3 cost or below then put on bottom of deck so in moribund state e is still on table

21 what's the advantage of attaching location to house card?

22 can crow eye tealth himself? I think not bc stealth is declared after attackers are kneeled

[Sttyca 20]

Zacky Midnight said:

19 bronn str 3 gets stinking drunk. Then cunning rat is added. Is he str 1 or 2?

20. Damp hair. Can he play himself? I would think not bc he says play a 3 cost or below then put on bottom of deck so in moribund state e is still on table

21 what's the advantage of attaching location to house card?

22 can crow eye tealth himself? I think not bc stealth is declared after attackers are kneeled

19. STR 1. Gutter Rat's Cunning gives a constant +2 STR, so this makes him a 5 STR. Stinking Drunk says "Attached character gets -4 STR while participating in a challenge." These 2, while he is in a challenge, are checked for and applied at the same time, so his total STR mod is -2 (-4+2), making him 1 STR.

20. He cannot. Even without trying to go into the complexities of the moribund state in this instance, his text specifically says "… search your deck for a non-unique [holy crest] character…" Being that he, himself, is unique, he is an illegal target for this ability anyway.

21. For the sake of not having to overthink this, I'm going to assume you're referring to the various "chambers" locations in the game.The advantage (or disadvantage, depending on the deck you're sitting across from), is that once you've attached the chambers to your house card, it is no longer considered a location. It is now an attachment. This is a situational choice that you have to make when you play the card, based on what your opponent is more likely to get rid of (and you, of course, play it as the other). Note, though, that you do not have the choice if you put these locations down for setup, as it isn't an attachment until you play it during marshalling and choose to attach it to your house card… So, if it comes in during setup, it will always be a location.

22. Not sure what you're asking here. Yes, stealth is declared at the same time as defenders are chosen (part of the same framework). I'm not aware of any instance where a character stealthed themself… for a proper answer, if you could please clarify the question.

 

[Khudzlin 734]

22. I think the question is more along the lines of "Can Euron Crow's Eye (Kings of the Sea) use Stealth himself". And the answer is no, since he's no longer standing. However, note there are several versions of some unique cards: for instance, Euron Crow's Eye (A Song of Silence) gives Raider characters Stealth when he attacks (and since he's a Raider himself, this one does get to use Stealth).

[Sttyca 20]

Khudzlin said:

22. I think the question is more along the lines of "Can Euron Crow's Eye (Kings of the Sea) use Stealth himself". And the answer is no, since he's no longer standing. However, note there are several versions of some unique cards: for instance, Euron Crow's Eye (A Song of Silence) gives Raider characters Stealth when he attacks (and since he's a Raider himself, this one does get to use Stealth).

Ah. That does make sense for the question. That's what I get for trying to be helpful without having an easily accesible method of checking agotcards.org, which is my preferred method of referencing individual cards.

[Khudzlin 734]

That's how I check card text, too. Even if I have my cards on hand, I need the original, untranslated text. I made a guess about the question, because a character literally cannot use Stealth on himself. A player would need to attack himself for that and the rules forbid it.

[Zacky Midnight 11]

23: I should play with 3 piles right? ( discard, dead and out of play). If a card is out of play and unique i can play another correct?

24. Player A wins a mil challenge with a deadly character and a claim of one against two defenders. Player B discards a duplicate on one card for claim. Can that same card be killed for claim or can I character only be saved once? Another way to say this is say Sir Davos was in a challenge and had to satisfy a deadly character with mil claim of two. Can he discard three gold to stay in play?