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Short answer is Yes

 

Long answer is You get the same # of cards for each Runner (33 per Runner) and the same # of cards for each Corp (28 per corp), which is not enough to make a deck

HOWEVER, they also include a certain amount of neutral cards that allow you to have essentially 1 completed Runner deck and 1 completed Corp deck

This basically means if you want to switch Runner/Corp you need to remove all the neutral cards from the deck you were playing in, and added it to the new one

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Talamare said:

Short answer is Yes

 

Long answer is You get the same # of cards for each Runner (33 per Runner) and the same # of cards for each Corp (28 per corp), which is not enough to make a deck

HOWEVER, they also include a certain amount of neutral cards that allow you to have essentially 1 completed Runner deck and 1 completed Corp deck

This basically means if you want to switch Runner/Corp you need to remove all the neutral cards from the deck you were playing in, and added it to the new one

I believe he was referring to the topic that shall remain unspoken, but thumbs up on the effort to deflect away from that.

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TheRealLeo said:

I believe he was referring to the topic that shall remain unspoken, but thumbs up on the effort to deflect away from that.

 

There's a topic that shall remain unspoken?? Does it have anything to do with only getting 1 of certain cards in a core set? 

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You have enough to customise your deck.  I've generally found though that if you're looking to play competitively with other players, it's worth your while to pick up one additional Core set.  With two core sets, you'll have 2 of the 'rarest' cards (You probably won't need 3 of any of those), and enough neutral cards and repeated cards to make two different decks per side (Runner/Corp) which will let you try out new strategies and deck builds without disassembling your primary deck.

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Note, that buying two core sets is important for competetive nature for now, as more data packs are released, this will become less relevant.

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I have three core sets.  I wouldn't be happy with my ability to build multiple decks otherwise.  I also wouldn't be happy to build even a single deck without two core sets.  I don't think this should be a "hidden" thought.  People are going to do what they want, and the business is going to do what it needs to profit.  Feedback both ways is a *good* thing.

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I have 2 core sets for now but will have 3 by the end of December. Right now I can have 2 Runner and 2 Corp decks built at a time. 2 of them being the Shaper and Jinteki decks I use to run demos. Having a 3rd set will give me enough cards to have two constructed decks built for each side and keep the demo decks around as needed.

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One starter isn't enough, based on the list linked above. We got two each to build from, and figured that should it come to a tournament scene then we would be able to get a third card from the other's sets if it was needed. Two should - in general - be sufficient, but sometimes you'll find that the one-ofs (generally unique cards anyway) you'd want a second copy of, to improve the chance of drawing into a copy.

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vermillian said:

Note, that buying two core sets is important for competetive nature for now, as more data packs are released, this will become less relevant.

This.

It would also depend on the factions you choose to play. I picked HB and Criminal and I actually kicked out the cards that only came in singles for those factions (Corporate Troubleshooter and Data Dealer, respectively).

I gotta admit that I'd like to have a 3rd Rabbit Hole…

If you don't have the budget or are unwilling to spend extra, just do the best you can, play the best you can and suck it up. You can also try chipping in with other players to buy and share the contents of a Core Set; you don't spend as much and can focus on just what you want.

Besides, we're only one month away from the first data pack.

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Based on this information I will not buy this game.

FFG show a clear lack of understanding ccg's or a crass desire to milk the customer. Either way it isn't for me.

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signoftheserpent said:

Based on this information I will not buy this game.

FFG show a clear lack of understanding ccg's or a crass desire to milk the customer. Either way it isn't for me.

 

WTF. So you want a CCG where you buy random packs and hope you get that playset of cards to build your deck ? CCG's milk their customers. LCGs are up front with what you get in each box and monthly pack. $15 a month for 6 months to get a complete playset of the expansion cycle. Way cheaper than the $150 I was spending on two boxes of boosters to try and get 4 of each card which never seemed to happen.

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Personally, I own two core sets, but only deck-build with one. The second copy is what I pull out if I want to demo the game to someone so I don't have to tear apart my decks to do so.

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I played MTG for around 10+ years and am a completionist to boot. Just starting off in this game to be competative is way cheaper then even the fringe formats like all commons magic. Yes all commons magic is probably as expensive or more expensive than two core sets in this game. Assuming you shop online at least.

Ya I am not a fan the core set not having 3 of each. However they give you more than enough to work with and heck you can still be very competative with one. The biggest advantage of buying more than one coreset is being able to have more decks constructed at once. At least thats the case for me, having more of the 1 and 2 of is nice though.

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profligate said:

Sign of the Serpent shows a clear lack of understanding of LCG's.  This isn't a CCG.  Period.

Yes it is. All that is different is the name. It's exactly the same thing, whether it's called a TCG or an LCG or a CCG. They are all the same. The only variant is some aspects of distribution.

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Toqtamish said:

signoftheserpent said:

 

Based on this information I will not buy this game.

FFG show a clear lack of understanding ccg's or a crass desire to milk the customer. Either way it isn't for me.

 

 

 

WTF. So you want a CCG where you buy random packs and hope you get that playset of cards to build your deck ? CCG's milk their customers. LCGs are up front with what you get in each box and monthly pack. $15 a month for 6 months to get a complete playset of the expansion cycle. Way cheaper than the $150 I was spending on two boxes of boosters to try and get 4 of each card which never seemed to happen.

Please don't put words in my mouth.

You don't get a complete playset. That's the whole point. Not unless I am prepared to buy 3 core sets which, IMO, is a pretty tall order and quite unreasonable on the part of FFG. It didn't need to be this way, but it is and so I am not prepared to get on board.

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signoftheserpent said:

Toqtamish said:

 

signoftheserpent said:

 

Based on this information I will not buy this game.

FFG show a clear lack of understanding ccg's or a crass desire to milk the customer. Either way it isn't for me.

 

 

 

WTF. So you want a CCG where you buy random packs and hope you get that playset of cards to build your deck ? CCG's milk their customers. LCGs are up front with what you get in each box and monthly pack. $15 a month for 6 months to get a complete playset of the expansion cycle. Way cheaper than the $150 I was spending on two boxes of boosters to try and get 4 of each card which never seemed to happen.

 

 

Please don't put words in my mouth.

You don't get a complete playset. That's the whole point. Not unless I am prepared to buy 3 core sets which, IMO, is a pretty tall order and quite unreasonable on the part of FFG. It didn't need to be this way, but it is and so I am not prepared to get on board.

Right back at you. If you read my post you will notice I was talking about the monthly packs. You do get complete playsets there. You don't need 3 core sets by any means. One is plenty. And as the expansion packs comes out it is even less likely you will need extra core sets. Anyway it really is your loss. It is an amazing card game.

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signoftheserpent said:

profligate said:

 

Sign of the Serpent shows a clear lack of understanding of LCG's.  This isn't a CCG.  Period.

 

Yes it is. All that is different is the name. It's exactly the same thing, whether it's called a TCG or an LCG or a CCG. They are all the same. The only variant is some aspects of distribution.

 

 

CCG and TCG are the exact same thing they just changed names in the early 2000s. LCG completely different distribution model makes it very different from TCGs. They are more about player skill and deck building rather than who can afford the most copies of the booster packs/boxes.

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signoftheserpent said:

 

profligate said:

 

Sign of the Serpent shows a clear lack of understanding of LCG's.  This isn't a CCG.  Period.

 

Yes it is. All that is different is the name. It's exactly the same thing, whether it's called a TCG or an LCG or a CCG. They are all the same. The only variant is some aspects of distribution.

 

 

 

signoftheserpent said:

 

Yes it is. All that is different is the name. It's exactly the same thing, whether it's called a TCG or an LCG or a CCG. They are all the same. The only variant is some aspects of distribution.

 

 

No, it isn't. Distribution is part of the definition. What you said was "It's exactly the same thing, whether it's called an apple or an orange or a peach. They are all the same. The only variant is some aspects of taste." (Go ahead, say I'm putting words in your mouth; I'm making a specific point.)

A LCG has a fixed distribution. You and Joe buy a starter set each, and you both get the same cards. Identical in every way. You both buy booster 1, and booster 2. You still both have exactly the same cards. You've both spent the same money (theoretically, as long as you bought from the same place. We'll leave the vagaries of retail out of this) for the same items. You are as competitive as each other.

A CCG/TCG has random distribution. You and Joe buy a starter set each, and have the same cards (although this is relatively recent - I remember buying starters with different cards and random distribution). You both buy 5 boosters. You get 5 copies of the same rare, he gets 5 different rares. Because of how his deck is structured, only one of those 5 is useful to him. You, however, have yours structured to use all 5. You are more competitive, but have spent the same money.

Going further, you could buy a thousand boosters, and never get the one rare you need to complete a deck to the specification you want. And that is because you're gambling on unseen cards in a sealed pack. You never know what you're going to get. With an LCG, you know you're going to get specific cards in a starter, and specific cards in a specific booster (which you only have to buy once).

Don't use the distribution stick to beat a dead horse, it's been done a thousand times over the last few years with the various LCGs. They are not CCGs, by definition. If you don't want to buy it because you're a completionist, that's completely fine, but in answer to your initial question of "enough copies"? Yes, you do.

I play single starter, and I've played against those with two or three. I've won and lost games against both, but at no point did I feel like I was missing out because I didn't have three of everything. I played original Netrunner when it was a CCG, and I couldn't afford to shell out for booster after booster. I still won games against people who spent twenty times or more what I did, because I played what I had. I didn't "what if" or "if only", and the game is well balanced.

Play the game, see if you enjoy it. There's no point buying it if you don't. If you do, then swallow your pride and pick up a core set, maybe two (and from what others have said, you should be able to find two for the MSRP of one) and keep on enjoying.

EDIT: Freaking ninja'd! That's what I get for writing War and Peace!

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I find the attitude of the fanboys incredibly rude 'swallow your pride'? You dont' know what you are talking about.

It doesn't matter how amazing the game is; FFG's decision to curtail distribution as they have is - again - a bad decision. That they keep doing this is bizarre and ill informed. Anyone with any experience playing these games will know just how much of a mistake that is. You should never curtail deckbuilding options like this.

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I don't get this attitude at all. People seem to be acting as if any criticism posted would compel FFG to take their game away from them.

The core set is incomplete. You always need as many copies of every card as you can run in a single deck (at least, personally any more IMO is silly). That's how card games work. You need the options. Expecting people not to take the game that seriously is doing yourself a huge disservice. Unfortunately FFG don't see it that way, and for no reason i can discern.

This may be a great game, but since it's publishers have made what i consider to be a very flawed decision and since it can be played online without needing the actual product…

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again, sign, can you play magic the gathering with a single purchase? Is a booster pack an incomplete distribution?

The core set is fully playable. By design. it IS customizable, quite a fair bit. Is it a fixed distribution, curtailing blind purchases that plague CCGs? Yes. It satisfies all FFG promised it to be.

You seem to be asking us to apologize for something we don't see as a 'mistake', but you do. That is your opinion. We are operating on different levels of expectation, and each time we try to iterate that, we perceive you to be reacting in a way that is further and further from indicating that you understand our point of view.

I understand your point of view. Your definition is that 'playable' means 3x of a card. FOr some people it means 6x (so they can make two decks with 3 of some cards). Some people feel the core set is a complete set. Perception. Please try to understand our point of view. Thanks.

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