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Figured I should probably get around to posting this. As anyone who has spent some time building regiments knows, not all Homeworlds are of equal value for their cost. Below I provide a baseline, and in the next post I will present my own alternate interpretation.

 

Homeworld
Each point spent from the Regimental budget grants X number of build points to apply when designing the home world’s benefits:
Cost  Benefit
1        Four build points
2        Five build points
3       Six build points

Characteristics: Every three points of Characteristic bonuses count as one build point.

Skills: Each skill posessed costs one build point.

Talents: Each talent possessed costs one build point.

Special Features: Special features such as Abundant Resources or Accustomed to crowds cost one build point.

Wounds: Each bonus Wound costs one build point, while each reduction to a character’s starting Wounds grants one build point. No home world may increase or decrease a character’s starting Wounds by more than two.

Drawbacks: Rules such as Wary of Outsiders or Hivebound provide one additional build point. No Home World may possess more than two drawbacks.

 

Imperial World (1. 5 of 4)
2 +6 Characteristics
4 Linguistics, Common Lore x2, Talent
-1 Blessed Ignorance

 

Penal Colony (2. 5 of 5)
2    +6 Characteristics
3    Intimidate, Talent, +1 Wound
1    Larcenous
-1  Scum & Villany

 

Death World (3. 5 of 6)
2    +6 Characteristics
4    Survival, Talent, +2 Wounds
-1   Wary of Outsiders

 

Fortress World (3. 5 of 6)
2    +6 Characteristics
5    Common Lore x3, Talent x2
-2   Hated Enemy, Bred for War

 

Highborn (3. 6 of 6)
2    +6 Characteristics
4    Common Lore, Inquiry, Linguistics, Talent
2    Abundant Resources, Duty & Honor
-2   Duty & Honor, -1 Wound

 

Hive World (3. 4 of 6)
2    +6 Characteristics
3    Common Lore, Deceive, Talent
1    Accustomed to Crowd
-2   Hivebound, -1 Wound

 

Penitent (3. 8 of 6)
2    +6 Characteristics
4    Common Lore x2, Intimidate, Talent
3    Untempered Zeal, +2 Wounds
-1   Only one Life to Give

 

Schola Progenium (3. 8 of 6)
2    +6 Characteristics
6    Common Lore x3, Linguistics, Talent, +1 Wound

 

As one can see, three Homeworlds give superior benefit for their cost, while two homeworlds provide substandard benefits.

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Alternate Interpretation
It is my personal belief that Common Lore Skills are not worth a full build point give their limited usefulness. Under this assumption Common Lore skills only costs half a build point per skill.

 

Imperial World (1. 4 of 4)
2    +6 Characteristics
3    Linguistics, Common Lore (Imperium, Imp. Creed), Hatred (Mutants)
-1   Blessed Ignorance

 

Hive World (1. 4 of 4)
2    +6 Characteristics
3    Common Lore (Imperium, Tech), Deceive, Talent
1    Accustomed to Crowds
-2   Hivebound, -1 Wound.

 

Fortress World (2. 3 of 5)
2    +6 Characteristics
3    Common Lore x2 (War, Imp. Guard), Hatred (any one), +1 Wound
-2   Hated Enemy, Bred for War

 

Penal Colony (2. 5 of 5)
2    +6 Characteristics
3    Intimidate, Talent, +1 Wound
1    Larcenous
-1   Scum & Villany

 

Death World (3. 6 of 6)
2    +6 Characteristics
5    Survival, Die Hard, Talent, +2 Wounds
-1   Wary of Outsiders

 

Highborn (3. 6 of 6)
2    +6 Characteristics
4    Common Lore (Imperium, Calixis Sector), Inquiry, Linguistics, Talent
2    Abundant Resources, Duty & Honor
-2   Duty & Honor, -1 Wound

 

Penitent (3. 6 of 6)
2    +6 Characteristics
4    Common Lore x2, Intimidate, Talent
2    Untempered Zeal, +1 Wound
-2   Only one Life to Give, Supplicant

Supplicant: When faced with direct challenges to the underlying tenets of the Imperial faith (whether these take the form of mockery, reasoned debate or gentle criticism) the character reacts violently. He may take a Willpower Test to suppress these violent urges, modified by the provocation and the consequences (set by the GM) of succumbing to his anger.

 

Schola Progenium (3. 6 of 6)
2    +6 Characteristics
5    Common Lore (Imperium, Imp. Guard or War), Linguistics, Talent, +1 Wound
-1   Sheltered Upbringing

Sheltered Upbringing: Despite their extremely well-rounded education, the progena are largely ignorant of the Imperium’s worse elements, breeding a disdain they can’t ever seem to manage to hide. You take a –10 penalty on all Charm, Command, Deceive and Scrutiny Tests when dealing with the worst of examples of humanity (cultists, traitors, narco-addicts, gutter scum, mutants and the like).

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 Fortress World's Hatred Enemy is a +0. It's only against one type of enemy, but you gain bonuses to hit the hatred enemy. Usually the targets for this wrath are Orks, Chaos, Dark Eldar, Tyranids, Tau, Kroot, and for Kronus Expanse folks you can pick Rak'Ghuls. All except for the Tau & Kroot you don't have friendly talks with Chaos, Orks, or DE. 'Nids can't be talked to at all. However it's just +0 due to only one target. So it's 4 of 5. 

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Manyfist said:

 

 Fortress World's Hatred Enemy is a +0. It's only against one type of enemy, but you gain bonuses to hit the hatred enemy. Usually the targets for this wrath are Orks, Chaos, Dark Eldar, Tyranids, Tau, Kroot, and for Kronus Expanse folks you can pick Rak'Ghuls. All except for the Tau & Kroot you don't have friendly talks with Chaos, Orks, or DE. 'Nids can't be talked to at all. However it's just +0 due to only one target. So it's 4 of 5. 

 

 

You're describing how the Talent works as written. There is no limitation inherent to the Fortress World's Hated Enemy that is not present in the base talent:

 

Hatred
Tier: 2
Prerequisite: None
Specialisations: Chaos Space Marines, Daemons, Mutants, Psykers, Xenos (specific), other

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 It says that they gain the Hatred Talent,yet have to pass (+10 WP Test) in order to not attack violently. 

Yes, and that is accounted for in the math, look at the Drawbacks line.

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Mercucio said:

Manyfist said:

 

 It says that they gain the Hatred Talent,yet have to pass (+10 WP Test) in order to not attack violently. 

 

 

Yes, and that is accounted for in the math, look at the Drawbacks line.

I don't get how's its a drawback though. You get a free talent but under GM discretion test an ordinary WP test. The two cancel each other out really.  

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A good attempt, but you're assuming all drawbacks are made equal. Scum & Villainy and Only One Life to Give can be downright lethal, while others like Hated Enemy or Duty & Honour are almost irrelevant. In fact, Duty & Honor isn't even a drawback at all. It gives both a bonus and an equal penalty, so it's a zero-sum situation.

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Manyfist said:

 

Mercucio said:

 

Manyfist said:

 

 It says that they gain the Hatred Talent,yet have to pass (+10 WP Test) in order to not attack violently. 

 

 

Yes, and that is accounted for in the math, look at the Drawbacks line.

 

 

I don't get how's its a drawback though. You get a free talent but under GM discretion test an ordinary WP test. The two cancel each other out really.  

 

 

Exactly. So the Hatred Talent is 1 point [line 2, one of Talent x2 listed there] and the Hated Foe is -1 point [line 3]. The points are there for accounting--the results remain the same either way you look at it. For example if we remove Hatred and Hated Enemy from the equation we still get:

Fortress World (3. 5 of 6)
2    +6 Characteristics
4    Common Lore x3, Nerves of Steel
-1  Bred for War

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A good attempt, but you're assuming all drawbacks are made equal. Scum & Villainy and Only One Life to Give can be downright lethal, while others like Hated Enemy or Duty & Honour are almost irrelevant. In fact, Duty & Honor isn't even a drawback at all. It gives both a bonus and an equal penalty, so it's a zero-sum situation.

 

 

Agreed, though I suppose it is implicit that the GM will insure the drawback comes into play often enough to warrant the benefit. If one does not like the current mechanical effects of a drawback, you could always create a new one, or adapt an existing from another source (as seen in my second post).

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And now to introduce some additional Homeworld options, converted from other WH40K sources.

 

Battlefleet
The great battle?eets of the Imperial Navy are among the most ordered and disciplined organizations in the Imperium. The men and women of the Imperial Navy’s of?cer class stand apart, even from other Void Born. They have their
own culture, and descend from a long and noble line of naval families and ship clans that can trace their lineage back millennia. It is with great distinction that these members serve the Golden Throne, persecuting renegades and pirates in the name of God-Emperor of Mankind. Many battlefleet members can trace their origins to the rulers of worlds that administer the battle?eets’ ships. Here their families collect and organise battle-won wealth, judiciously managing the spoils of war so that the great battle?eets may continue to serve the God-Emperor with distinction and honour.
     The men and women of the Imperial Battlefleets are a proud, martially-minded people with a strong sense of honour. Crews live together on ship, eat together, and face the enemies of the Imperium together. Since they are trained from birth, they have knowledge of shipboard life that surpasses many of the most knowledgeable void-born. From the moment they are able, the people serving the Battlefleet are taught how to move about in zero gravity, deal with ship-board emergencies, and handle warp travel. As they mature, they progress on to more complicated pursuits such as learning ship-based weaponry, spatial navigation, and basic naval tactics. They learn the history of their ship and their Battlefleet, and they learn the pride that comes from being among the Emperor’s finest.
    Members of the Battlefleets are a diverse and varied lot, but they have a few things in common with each other. They almost universally respect duty, loyalty, and integrity, and show great strength of character. Conversely, they despise those who show weakness, deceit, and those who are generally lazy and inconsistent. Compared to the Void Born of Chartist and trade vessels, they have a larger physical build, the result of living in more normal gravity conditions than that of their counterparts. Members of the battlefleets are also more respected for their role as humanity’s protectors among the stars.
     This Home World has been added for those who wish to explore the opportunities for playing the Marines of the Imperial Navy or similar roles.
Cost: 2
Characteristic Modifiers: +3 Willpower or +3 Fellowship; +3 to any other Characteristic of choice
Skills: Battlefleet characters begin with Common Lore (Imperial Navy) (Int), Linguistics (Battlefleet Codes) (Int), and either Operate (Aeronautica: Spacecraft) (Ag) or Navigation (Stellar) (Int).
Tight Qaurters Work: Given the cramped conditions in which they fight, Battlefleet characters are adept at using the press of numbers to their advantage. Battlefleet characters start play with the Double Team talent.
Void Accustomed: Due to their rigorous training Battlefleet characters are used to the vagaries of changing gravity, rendering them immune to space travel sickness. In addition, zero- or low-gravity environments are not considered Difficult Terrain for such characters.
Ship-Bound Fighter: Living and training on a spacecraft is vastly different than living and training on the ground. Because of the close-in nature of ships, Battlefleet characters are unaccustomed to flghting in open spaces or on the “dirtside” of planets. While they are on a planet they suffer a –2 penalty to Initiative Tests and double the Ballistic Skill penalty for firing weapons at Long Range or greater. These penalties don’t apply to the character if they are inside a building, tunnel or other confined space.
Starting Wounds: Battlefleet characters determine their starting Wounds normally.

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Forge World
Forge worlds are not environments that reward, let alone tolerate, weakness in body or in mind. To have survived and prospered enough to leave a forge world’s rigid society, your character must possess a great deal of drive, ambition and good fortune, or at the very least be bloody-minded and ruthless  enough to have endured. You find yourself in a wider Imperial society that is at once familiar and strangely alien to you, where fools baulk in superstition at technology without understanding its spiritual mysteries and purity of essence. Nor do they seem to understand mankind’s survival demands power and, as the Omnissiah teaches, power is knowledge incarnate.
Cost: 1 points.
Characteristic Modifiers: +3 to Toughness or Willpower, +3 to any other Characteristic of choice.
Skills: All forge world characters start with Common Lore (Machine Cult) and Common Lore (Tech).
Credo Omnissiah: Rather than being fully indoctrinated into the Imperial Cult, even the lowliest member of a forge world’s society is brought up to venerate the spirits of the machine and to know and trust the basic rites of tech-propitiation. The character gains either the Tech-Use skill or the Technical Knock talent.
Stranger to the Cult: Although forge world born citizens know that the Emperor is their god and saviour, they see the Imperial Creed through the lens of Cult Mechanicus doctrine. As a result, they can be surprisingly—and sometimes dangerously—ignorant of the common teachings and practices of the Ecclesiarchy, often failing to offer its clerics the level of deference they expect. Forge world characters take a –10 penalty on Tests involving knowledge of the Imperial Creed, and a –5 penalty on Fellowship Tests to interact with members of the Ecclesiarchy in formal settings.
Starting Wounds: Forge world characters add 1 to their starting Wounds.

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Frontier World
Frontier worlds can often barely be classified as “civilised.” The populace is rough and determined in equal measure, and many settlements on these worlds are ramshackle, resembling primitive, run-down, dry, dusty spots where life is harsh and unforgiving and justice comes from the barrel of a gun (or at the end of a rope). Here, the population must learn to survive on its own. There are no Adeptus Arbites Precinct-fortresses to maintain law, no PDF to protect the citizens from invasion, and no Fleet waiting in orbit to take them to safety. The people are tough and hard-working, used to living without the amenities that are taken for granted on other worlds. They are also insular and prefer to handle matters on their own, with little time for outsider interference.
     Though poorly educated, those who are raised upon a frontier world have learned that survival is paramount. As a result they are surly, coarse, rough, and durable folk who often refuse to back down from a confrontation—even when faced with overwhelming odds (and especially if they feel they are right). They have little patience for small talk and even less for those who are dishonest and disreputable. They make excellent scouts and foragers. It’s also not unheard of for these people to conduct trade and associate with xenos races—even mutants—as most settlements lack an Imperial Cult representative to cow them into believing that these creatures are evil and should be shunned or destroyed.
Cost: 2
Characteristic Modi?ers: +3 Strength or Toughness, +3 to any other Characteristic of choice.
Skills: Frontier world characters begin with Awareness (Per) and Survival (Int) as trained Skills.
Leery of Outsiders: Frontier world characters are suspicious by nature. Because of this outlook, frontier world characters suffer a –10 penalty on all Fellowship Tests when dealing with someone they have not previously met (exactly when to apply this check is up to the GM).
Tenacious Survivalist: Life on the frontier can be filled with all manner of horrors. Frontier world characters learn at an early age to be wary of their surroundings, and react quickly in the face of danger. Frontier world characters begin play with the Lightning Reflexes Talent.
Xenos Interaction: It’s a common occurrence for humans on frontier worlds to interact—often times violently—and trade with xenos. Because of this interaction, Frontier World characters reduce the Fear rating of any xenos they ecounter by two levels, thus a frontier world character is effectively immune to any xenos creature with a Fear rating of 1 or 2. Of course, this outlook often puts them at odds with members of the Ecclesiarchy, never mind the Inquisition, and as such they suffer a –5 penalty to all Interaction Tests when dealing with members of the Imperial Cult or Holy Ordos.
Starting Wounds: Frontier world characters add 1 to their starting Wounds.

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Frontier World
Frontier worlds can often barely be classified as “civilised.” The populace is rough and determined in equal measure, and many settlements on these worlds are ramshackle, resembling primitive, run-down, dry, dusty spots where life is harsh and unforgiving and justice comes from the barrel of a gun (or at the end of a rope). Here, the population must learn to survive on its own. There are no Adeptus Arbites Precinct-fortresses to maintain law, no PDF to protect the citizens from invasion, and no Fleet waiting in orbit to take them to safety. The people are tough and hard-working, used to living without the amenities that are taken for granted on other worlds. They are also insular and prefer to handle matters on their own, with little time for outsider interference.
Though poorly educated, those who are raised upon a frontier world have learned that survival is paramount. As a result they are surly, coarse, rough, and durable folk who often refuse to back down from a confrontation—even when faced with overwhelming odds (and especially if they feel they are right). They have little patience for small talk and even less for those who are dishonest and disreputable. They make excellent scouts and foragers. It’s also not unheard of for these people to conduct trade and associate with xenos races—even mutants—as most settlements lack an Imperial Cult representative to cow them into believing that these creatures are evil and should be shunned or destroyed.
Cost: 2
Characteristic Modi?ers: +3 Strength or Toughness, +3 to any other Characteristic of choice.
Skills: Frontier world characters begin with Awareness (Per) and Survival (Int) as trained Skills.
Leery of Outsiders: Frontier world characters are suspicious by nature. Because of this outlook, frontier world characters suffer a –10 penalty on all Fellowship Tests when dealing with someone they have not previously met (exactly when to apply this check is up to the GM).
Tenacious Survivalist: Life on the frontier can be filled with all manner of horrors. Frontier world characters learn at an early age to be wary of their surroundings, and react quickly in the face of danger. Frontier world characters begin play with the Lightning Reflexes Talent.
Xenos Interaction: It’s a common occurrence for humans on frontier worlds to interact—often times violently—and trade with xenos. Because of this interaction, Frontier World characters reduce the Fear rating of any xenos they ecounter by two levels, thus a frontier world character is effectively immune to any xenos creature with a Fear rating of 1 or 2. Of course, this outlook often puts them at odds with members of the Ecclesiarchy, never mind the Inquisition, and as such they suffer a –5 penalty to all Interaction Tests when dealing with members of the Imperial Cult or Holy Ordos.
Starting Wounds: Frontier world characters add 1 to their starting Wounds.

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The problem with having those additional homewords is that it no longer is about the imperial guard. A Battlefleet force whould be part of the Imperial Navy who are not allowed to feild ground troops, I suppose if your intire campain was focused on ship to ship actions then possibly but that porberly best left for homebrew settings.

A Forge world origin would be nice but it appears you have taken the stats from the other 40kRPG systems, which would be incorrect; the Mechanicus of mars is and isnt part of the imperium and such dont raise troops for the imperial guard, instead they have their own veriant (i cannont remember the name) who are heavily augemented, It would be possible to still have it as a origin but it needs alot of work.

Frontier worlds dont provide troops for the Imperium as they are still undeveloped, Your suggestions for modifiers for the frontier worlds seem to be very close to that of a deathworld.

Possibly instead of a Frontier world, maybe a Feral world?

Possibly instead of a Battlefleet force possibly a Station (???) im not sure if the larger space stations provide troops for the Guard but stations like Footfallen would be sizable enougth to provide regiments.

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The problem with having those additional homewords is that it no longer is about the imperial guard. A Battlefleet force whould be part of the Imperial Navy who are not allowed to feild ground troops, I suppose if your intire campain was focused on ship to ship actions then possibly but that porberly best left for homebrew settings.

A Forge world origin would be nice but it appears you have taken the stats from the other 40kRPG systems, which would be incorrect; the Mechanicus of mars is and isnt part of the imperium and such dont raise troops for the imperial guard, instead they have their own veriant (i cannont remember the name) who are heavily augemented, It would be possible to still have it as a origin but it needs alot of work.

Frontier worlds dont provide troops for the Imperium as they are still undeveloped, Your suggestions for modifiers for the frontier worlds seem to be very close to that of a deathworld.

Possibly instead of a Frontier world, maybe a Feral world?

Possibly instead of a Battlefleet force possibly a Station (???) im not sure if the larger space stations provide troops for the Guard but stations like Footfallen would be sizable enougth to provide regiments.

 

Skitarii are Forge-World Tech-guard. They answer not to the Ministorum but to AdMech, as each regiment is more a private army for a Magos than anything else. 

There does need to be a Feral World option, Death World doesn't count. 

Space stations like Footfall probably do raise guardsmen. 

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Manyfist said:

Nefasine said:

 

The problem with having those additional homewords is that it no longer is about the imperial guard. A Battlefleet force whould be part of the Imperial Navy who are not allowed to feild ground troops, I suppose if your intire campain was focused on ship to ship actions then possibly but that porberly best left for homebrew settings.

A Forge world origin would be nice but it appears you have taken the stats from the other 40kRPG systems, which would be incorrect; the Mechanicus of mars is and isnt part of the imperium and such dont raise troops for the imperial guard, instead they have their own veriant (i cannont remember the name) who are heavily augemented, It would be possible to still have it as a origin but it needs alot of work.

Frontier worlds dont provide troops for the Imperium as they are still undeveloped, Your suggestions for modifiers for the frontier worlds seem to be very close to that of a deathworld.

Possibly instead of a Frontier world, maybe a Feral world?

Possibly instead of a Battlefleet force possibly a Station (???) im not sure if the larger space stations provide troops for the Guard but stations like Footfallen would be sizable enougth to provide regiments.

 

 

 

Skitarii are Forge-World Tech-guard. They answer not to the Ministorum but to AdMech, as each regiment is more a private army for a Magos than anything else. 

There does need to be a Feral World option, Death World doesn't count. 

Space stations like Footfall probably do raise guardsmen. 

Skiitari are the armed forces of the Adeptus Mechanicus but are very similar in organization to the IG and often deployed alongside them to protect the AdMech's interests. My two cents would be:

Cost: 4 points

Characteristic modifiers: +3 to any two of the following: Ballistic Skill, Willpower or Intelligence.

Skills: All Forge World characters start with Common Lore (Adeptus Mechanicus), Common Lore (Technology) and Trade (Technomat)

Rite of clear thought: The Adeptus Mechanicus subjects their Skitarii guardsmen to extensive and often horrific chemical and surgical modification to steel their hearts and make them indifferent to the moral repercussions of the tasks assigned by their masters. Forge World characters can choose to start with one of the following: Jaded or Chem Geld.

Rite of zealous obedience: Just as Skitarii are programmed to ignore fear, pain and morality, they're also mind conditioned to obey their Magi masters without thought or question through chemical therapy, brain surgery or even small devices attached at the base of the spine which shock the subject whenever he steps out of line. Any Forge World character needs to pass a Difficult(-10) Willpower test in order to disobey or even disagree with a higher ranking member of the Machine Cult.

The flesh is weak: Though the Magi keep ther dogs of war on a tight leash, they also take care that they perform at maximum possible efficiency through the blessings of the Omnissiah. Forge World characters reduce the rarity of all bionic augmentations by one step when making Logistic tests.

Starting Wounds: Forge World characters increase their starting wounds by 1. 

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Nefasine said:

 

The problem with having those additional homewords is that it no longer is about the imperial guard. A Battlefleet force whould be part of the Imperial Navy who are not allowed to feild ground troops, I suppose if your intire campain was focused on ship to ship actions then possibly but that porberly best left for homebrew settings.

A Forge world origin would be nice but it appears you have taken the stats from the other 40kRPG systems, which would be incorrect; the Mechanicus of mars is and isnt part of the imperium and such dont raise troops for the imperial guard, instead they have their own veriant (i cannont remember the name) who are heavily augemented, It would be possible to still have it as a origin but it needs alot of work.

Frontier worlds dont provide troops for the Imperium as they are still undeveloped, Your suggestions for modifiers for the frontier worlds seem to be very close to that of a deathworld.

Possibly instead of a Frontier world, maybe a Feral world?

Possibly instead of a Battlefleet force possibly a Station (???) im not sure if the larger space stations provide troops for the Guard but stations like Footfallen would be sizable enougth to provide regiments.

 

 

1. Battlefleet: I specifically state in the last paragrah:

"This Home World has been added for those who wish to explore the opportunities for playing the Marines of the Imperial Navy or similar roles. "

 

2. Forge Worlds: There are the skiitari, which I will address properly in a separate post.

 

3. Frontier Worlds: You are assuming there is no reason to raise a regiment. When Orcs invade, regiments get made =P. As for the stats I hewed as close to the source material as possible.

 

4. Raising Troops from Space Stations: It would certainly be possible to raise a unit of void-born (see DH) in theory, but are there an facilities with populations large enough a raise a regiment from?

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JuankiMan said:

 

Skitarii are Forge-World Tech-guard. They answer not to the Ministorum but to AdMech, as each regiment is more a private army for a Magos than anything else. 

There does need to be a Feral World option, Death World doesn't count. 

Space stations like Footfall probably do raise guardsmen.  

 

Skiitari are the armed forces of the Adeptus Mechanicus but are very similar in organization to the IG and often deployed alongside them to protect the AdMech's interests. My two cents would be:

Cost: 4 points

Characteristic modifiers: +3 to any two of the following: Ballistic Skill, Willpower or Intelligence.

Skills: All Forge World characters start with Common Lore (Adeptus Mechanicus), Common Lore (Technology) and Trade (Technomat)

Rite of clear thought: The Adeptus Mechanicus subjects their Skitarii guardsmen to extensive and often horrific chemical and surgical modification to steel their hearts and make them indifferent to the moral repercussions of the tasks assigned by their masters. Forge World characters can choose to start with one of the following: Jaded or Chem Geld.

Rite of zealous obedience: Just as Skitarii are programmed to ignore fear, pain and morality, they're also mind conditioned to obey their Magi masters without thought or question through chemical therapy, brain surgery or even small devices attached at the base of the spine which shock the subject whenever he steps out of line. Any Forge World character needs to pass a Difficult(-10) Willpower test in order to disobey or even disagree with a higher ranking member of the Machine Cult.

The flesh is weak: Though the Magi keep ther dogs of war on a tight leash, they also take care that they perform at maximum possible efficiency through the blessings of the Omnissiah. Forge World characters reduce the rarity of all bionic augmentations by one step when making Logistic tests.

Starting Wounds: Forge World characters increase their starting wounds by 1. 

 

 

For the Forge World entry, I was thinking more recruiting to replace lost numbers, ala Gaunts Ghost after the defense of Vervunhive, that pure Skiitari. Now that being said, I do like the idea of a skiitari. Looking at your offering, here is my feedback:

 

Cost: These look like a 3.

Characteristics Modifiers: I would add Toughness to the list and perhaps a penalty to Fellowship to offset it.

Skills: All skiitari present in the RPG material--that I can find--have Tech-Use of +10 or higher, so I'd just give the Common Lore (Adeptus Mechanicus) and Tech-Use and call it a day.

Rite of Clear Thought: I like this :). Kinda reminds me of the fluff around Tears of the Dragon from the Inquisitor's Handbook.

Rite of Zealous Obedience: Looks fine.

The Flesh is Weak: Hmm, this pretty much looks like the Augmentics Equipment Doctrine, which I feel may be a better way of modeling the skiitari's access to cybernetics, so I'd either drop this one or change it so that grants say the Machine (1) trait.

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3. Frontier Worlds: You are assuming there is no reason to raise a regiment. When Orcs invade, regiments get made =P. As for the stats I hewed as close to the source material as possible.

I think that there is no reason for a frontier world not to raise regiments. Valhalla can be considered a frontier sector in many ways, due to its proximity to Ork space. Same with Tanith, by the description Tanith was a world on the edge of the human domination, dangerously close to Chaos space and slightly backwater by Imperial standards.

Mercucio said:

 4. Raising Troops from Space Stations: It would certainly be possible to raise a unit of void-born (see DH) in theory, but are there an facilities with populations large enough a raise a regiment from?

Well in the Kornus expanse there is the Port Wander station, which look large enough to raise at least one regiment. Granted, these kind of structures should be quite rare and consequantly very few regiments should be raised from them.

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Mercucio said:

Nefasine said:

 

The problem with having those additional homewords is that it no longer is about the imperial guard. A Battlefleet force whould be part of the Imperial Navy who are not allowed to feild ground troops, I suppose if your intire campain was focused on ship to ship actions then possibly but that porberly best left for homebrew settings.

A Forge world origin would be nice but it appears you have taken the stats from the other 40kRPG systems, which would be incorrect; the Mechanicus of mars is and isnt part of the imperium and such dont raise troops for the imperial guard, instead they have their own veriant (i cannont remember the name) who are heavily augemented, It would be possible to still have it as a origin but it needs alot of work.

Frontier worlds dont provide troops for the Imperium as they are still undeveloped, Your suggestions for modifiers for the frontier worlds seem to be very close to that of a deathworld.

Possibly instead of a Frontier world, maybe a Feral world?

Possibly instead of a Battlefleet force possibly a Station (???) im not sure if the larger space stations provide troops for the Guard but stations like Footfallen would be sizable enougth to provide regiments.

 

 

1. Battlefleet: I specifically state in the last paragrah:

"This Home World has been added for those who wish to explore the opportunities for playing the Marines of the Imperial Navy or similar roles. "

 

2. Forge Worlds: There are the skiitari, which I will address properly in a separate post.

 

3. Frontier Worlds: You are assuming there is no reason to raise a regiment. When Orcs invade, regiments get made =P. As for the stats I hewed as close to the source material as possible.

 

4. Raising Troops from Space Stations: It would certainly be possible to raise a unit of void-born (see DH) in theory, but are there an facilities with populations large enough a raise a regiment from?

1. Battlefleet: I did see that but as i said, it is better left for a homebrew setting. Only War focuses on the Imperial Guard. It was the same with Dark Heresy, You could play a squad of guardsmen or a squad of arbites and im sure many campains did, but the main focus was of a diverse inquisitorial force. At the moment there is no stats for any of the imperial navy strike craft (in Only War) but i am sure they will be added in further supliments

2. The skiitari: i am hesitant about the skiitari, they would be fun to play no doupt but in reality the best way to represent them is to give them the machine trait (1) but this would remove many of the weaknesses of the guard which is one of the bigest reasons to play Only war. If i want to play augmented humans who are bred for war, i would play Deathwatch.

3. Firstly if orks where to invade a frontier planet, the regiments raised would not be of the Imperial Guard but the PDF (Planetary defence force). A frontier world is (from my understanding) a newly populated, developing planet. For Example, the planet Quarth is able to go fairly unknown (and such is used like a pleasure planet) because they have yet to fill certain criteria (planetary govener i think? see the Harlock Trilogy for Dark Heresy) Tanith on the other hand was on the outer edge of the imperium but not nessisarily a frontier world (may be wrong though)

4. Proberly not, not for the imperial guard anyway. Navy, Maybe

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1. Battlefleet: I did see that but as i said, it is better left for a homebrew setting. Only War focuses on the Imperial Guard. It was the same with Dark Heresy, You could play a squad of guardsmen or a squad of arbites and im sure many campains did, but the main focus was of a diverse inquisitorial force. At the moment there is no stats for any of the imperial navy strike craft (in Only War) but i am sure they will be added in further supliments

All the material you need for the ship-side of things can be found in the Rogue Trader supplements.

 

2. The skiitari: i am hesitant about the skiitari, they would be fun to play no doupt but in reality the best way to represent them is to give them the machine trait (1) but this would remove many of the weaknesses of the guard which is one of the bigest reasons to play Only war. If i want to play augmented humans who are bred for war, i would play Deathwatch.

The Machine trait is as unneeded at character creation for Skiitari as it is for Tech Priests. Sure it should be something they get at some point, just not in the beginning.

 

3. Firstly if orks where to invade a frontier planet, the regiments raised would not be of the Imperial Guard but the PDF (Planetary defence force). A frontier world is (from my understanding) a newly populated, developing planet. For Example, the planet Quarth is able to go fairly unknown (and such is used like a pleasure planet) because they have yet to fill certain criteria (planetary govener i think? see the Harlock Trilogy for Dark Heresy) Tanith on the other hand was on the outer edge of the imperium but not nessisarily a frontier world (may be wrong though).

PDF can be, and often are, conscripted onto the Imperial Guard.

 

4. Proberly not, not for the imperial guard anyway. Navy, Maybe

Naval impressment  seemed the more likely option to me as well.

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I am agreeing with you on the majority of these points but none of it falls under the scope of Only War.

And while you and I both know where to find stats for basically all the imperial and non-imperial vessels, someone new to the game system would not and thus the stats would have to be inluded under Only War; which in a future supliment is a possibility, but for the core rule book it would mean a the inclusion of the flying rules, space rules and flyer/spacecraft stats (see: alot of work).

For the skiitari: sorry not the machine trait but the ability to have augumetrics (mechainicus implants trait?) which would be fun (im all for a supliment or a homebrew of this if someone is up for it) but most proberly unballanced.

For the PDF; I suppose but isnt that only when there is not much of a planet left? anyway that would mean mixed regiments which is another problem.

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Nefasine said:

I am agreeing with you on the majority of these points but none of it falls under the scope of Only War.

And while you and I both know where to find stats for basically all the imperial and non-imperial vessels, someone new to the game system would not and thus the stats would have to be inluded under Only War; which in a future supliment is a possibility, but for the core rule book it would mean a the inclusion of the flying rules, space rules and flyer/spacecraft stats (see: alot of work).

For the skiitari: sorry not the machine trait but the ability to have augumetrics (mechainicus implants trait?) which would be fun (im all for a supliment or a homebrew of this if someone is up for it) but most proberly unballanced.

For the PDF; I suppose but isnt that only when there is not much of a planet left? anyway that would mean mixed regiments which is another problem.

 

Skitarii usually do not have the Mechanicus Implants trait; those are saved largely for the Tech-Priests. Bionic Limbs and integrated weapons are common, though.

 

Grammar Nazi little tip: it's probably, not proberly.

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I am agreeing with you on the majority of these points but none of it falls under the scope of Only War.

Ah, gotcha. I am looking through a lens of the entire WH40k line.

 

And while you and I both know where to find stats for basically all the imperial and non-imperial vessels, someone new to the game system would not and thus the stats would have to be inluded under Only War; which in a future supliment is a possibility, but for the core rule book it would mean a the inclusion of the flying rules, space rules and flyer/spacecraft stats (see: alot of work).

Agreed, but see the above.

 

For the PDF; I suppose but isnt that only when there is not much of a planet left? anyway that would mean mixed regiments which is another problem.

There may be a planet left, but that doesn't fighting isn't heavy on other planets in the theatre. Mixed regiments is a problem to worry about for another day. :)

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