4 question about new and old think's!

[Musketeer_peri 0]

i have 2 question about event's play.

1st question if i play a millitary battle plot , and i win initiative, can i play the event (to kill for your king) before my opponent plays teir when reaveald effect.

2nd if i paly an event without gold or influence cost, and my opponent plays papper sheald, and i play hand of judgement, my opponent can play a 2nd

papper sheald on 1st event?

3nd if i played called to count plot, and my opponent has 1 carachter of mine, under control, what happend?  can i choose him to retern on my hand?

if my opponet choose him,that character reterns on my hand?

And finaly 4th: if i play one of news caracter-agenda, if i attach it as agenda, can i play it as character again on game? can i blank it with merra reed?

and if i use 1 ability like Drowned Disciple, that ability work's as save?

 

thank you for your time!

Periklis.

[Circadia 0]

Musketeer_peri said:

i have 2 question about event's play.

1st question if i play a millitary battle plot , and i win initiative, can i play the event (to kill for your king) before my opponent plays teir when reaveald effect.

No. When revealed plot effects must resolve, including any passive effects that trigger as a result of the plots. Responses like Kill for Your King occur after both plots and resulting passive effects have resolved. This is important because something like Golden Tooth Mines is a passive which triggers after revealing a plot card, so if your opponent had one he would get to draw a card before you can play any responses, and that card might well be something which can cancel your event.

Musketeer_peri said:

2nd if i paly an event without gold or influence cost, and my opponent plays papper sheald, and i play hand of judgement, my opponent can play a 2nd

papper sheald on 1st event?

Yes. You may cancel something so long as you have effects available to attempt the cancel. Similarly, if you save someone, and your opponent cancels the save, you can attempt to trigger another save effect for that same character.

Musketeer_peri said:

3nd if i played called to count plot, and my opponent has 1 carachter of mine, under control, what happend?  can i choose him to retern on my hand?

if my opponet choose him,that character reterns on my hand?

It's really as simple as the plot text specifies. You can't choose the card controlled by your opponent because the plot text specifies it must be a character you control. However, if your opponent chooses that character, it returns to its owner's hand, and if that card was originally in your deck, you own it, so it goes back to your hand.

Musketeer_peri said:

And finaly 4th: if i play one of news caracter-agenda, if i attach it as agenda, can i play it as character again on game?

Yes. The character isn't in your dead pile, and that is the only restriction on playing copies of unique cards.

Musketeer_peri said:

can i blank it with merra reed?

No. Agendas are out of play, and you can only affect them with cards that specifically refer to agenda, such as Mance Rayder.

Musketeer_peri said:

and if i use 1 ability like Drowned Disciple, that ability work's as save?

No. Game of Thrones is a game of language. If it doesn't say the word save, it doesn't count as a save. Similarly, if a card effect says "take the top card of your deck and put it into your hand", that does not count towards your draw cap of three additional cards, even though to all intents and purposes it is exactly the same as the draw mechanic.

[Musketeer_peri 0]

thanx for your answering but i have 1 question more on 2nd question about "to kill for your king" and when reaveld plot.

if i pass the when reveled step, can i triggerd to kill for your king , as you say. But that event cant triggert becouse after that,"after reavealed effect" has pass.

 It is same like outwit. it is responce trigert before when reaveld play.  with the same way noone can cancel responce like outwit in when reaveld effect? this is correct?

[ktom 598]

Musketeer_peri said:

if i pass the when reveled step, can i triggerd to kill for your king , as you say. But that event cant triggert becouse after that,"after reavealed effect" has pass.

I'm not sure I understand what you are asking here.

You cannot "pass" the "when revealed" step. The "when revealed" step is the step for resolving passive effects initiated because plots were revealed. You cannot pass on passive effects because passive effects happen whether you want them to or not.

Additionally, the event is Responding to revealing plots. Whether or not any of the plots say "when revealed," you still revealed a plot that phase, so the event responding to it can be played. Once created, the opportunity to play a response stays open and available through the entire window. You do not have to play Responses in any specific order. So, in the "reveal plot" window, any number of Response opportunities could be created (in order):

• Each player reveals a plot
• Each player counted initiative
• One player won the initiative count, all others lost it
• One player became the First Player
• The "when revealed" text of any "when revealed" plots resolves, creating any number of opportunities to respond (like characters being killed for Valar, characters coming into play for Called to Court, etc.)
• Other passive effects to any of those things happen, creating any number of opportunities to respond (like drawing a card for Golden Tooth Mines)

When you finally get the the response step, after all of that happens, you can play responses to any of that in any order you want. Just because there was no "when revealed" passive text (5th bullet) does not mean there is no plot reveal to respond to (1st bullet).

Not that before you can play responses to any of the stuff mentioned above, all of it must happen - assuming effect exist to happen - first.

Musketeer_peri said:

It is same like outwit. it is responce trigert before when reaveld play.  with the same way noone can cancel responce like outwit in when reaveld effect? this is correct?

Outwit is different because it is a "cancel" response that is specifically used to cancel "when revealed" passive plot text. As a cancel, it interrupts the resolution of the "when revealed" text it is trying to cancel. Because "cancel" timing is different, you cannot compare its timing to standard Responses like Kill for Your King.

[Musketeer_peri 0]

i understand that, but that event "to kill for your king" has same word with "red vengence" (after you lose/ reveald), and "red vengence" are a cancel responce. If the "red vengence" is exeption, how can i distinguish a cancel responce to a normal responce?

[Amuk 9]

Musketeer_peri said:

 

i understand that, but that event "to kill for your king" has same word with "red vengence" (after you lose/ reveald), and "red vengence" are a cancel responce. If the "red vengence" is exeption, how can i distinguish a cancel responce to a normal responce?

 

 

Red Vengeance reads as follows:

• Response: After you lose a challenge as the defender, kneel 2 influence to cancel the claim effect of that challenge. Then, choose an opponent to satisfy the claim of that challenge as if he or she had lost the challenge as the defender.

Kill for Your King! reads as follows:

• Limited Response: After you reveal a Military Battle plot card, choose and kill a character without a Military icon. (Limit 1 Limited Response per round.)

Red Vengeance has the word "cancel" in it. Each Framework Event is followed by a save/cancel opportunity (at Step 2). Thus, the text of Red Vengeance requires that it be played at that specific moment (during the Step 2 save/cancel opportunity after the initiation of the Claim Resolution Framework Event). Kill for Your King does not. Therefore, it is played in the ordinary Response window at Step 5.

Perhaps the better card to compare KFYK to is Against the Tide:

• Response: If an opponent would win initiative, cancel the determination of initiative winner. You win initiative instead.

Against the Tide has to be played during the Reveal Plots Framework Action Window (at Step 2--save/cancel--of the Determine Initiative Winner Framework Event). You appear want KFYK to also be playable while still in that Framework Action Window. But, again, ATT uses the word "cancel." KFYK does not; thus you have to wait until the Framework Action Window closes and you get to Step 5.

The short answer to your question, then, is: "Look for the words save or cancel."

[Musketeer_peri 0]

ok . i understand now!

thank you for your time!