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A few, yes. Most notable examples are a half-eldar/human who served as an Ultramarines Librarian. I guess Lofn might be canon now, LIIIVI and Taldeer certainly are, but I digress. Most of the major factions of the Imperium are genetically incompatible for breeding - save for the Eldar - so you're unlikely to come across any half-orks. There are countless other races within the galaxy though, who's to say a sufficiently perverted human might not want to get a bit of green strange on the side?

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As I recall there are a few cross breeds, but in 40k those are normally created due to accidents with the warp.  In 40k so far Eldar and Humans are unique in the ability to interbreed naturally.  That ability is an entire other kettle of fish and probably linked to the Old Ones who were responsible for both Human and Eldar existence along with many others. 

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A few, yes. Most notable examples are a half-eldar/human who served as an Ultramarines Librarian. I guess Lofn might be canon now, LIIIVI and Taldeer certainly are, but I digress. Most of the major factions of the Imperium are genetically incompatible for breeding - save for the Eldar - so you're unlikely to come across any half-orks. There are countless other races within the galaxy though, who's to say a sufficiently perverted human might not want to get a bit of green strange on the side?


Yeah... anything from RT? Forget about it. Once 2nd Ed hit they organised the fluff and tried to make it cohesive. There never was a half eldar/half human Librarian serving the Ultramarines (at least not now anyway).

And Lofn is a 4Chan invented bit of fan fiction. The presence of LIIIVI in a quote doesn't change that.

BYE

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H.B.M.C. said:


And Lofn is a 4Chan invented bit of fan fiction. The presence of LIIIVI in a quote doesn't change that.

Oh hush. Grendel's definitely canon, at least a couple of the staffers have to be elegan/t g/entlemen.

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Not really, no. There is only one precedent I can think of, and that's the Half-Eldar, but that is all the way back to 1st Edition, as far as I know, when Warhammer 40k was still the quick-and-dirty "Warhammer Fantasy in Space!"-offshoot, Half-Eldar being the traditional Half-Elves.

But it really makes no sense as the setting is now. There's really no logic in these vastly different species being compatible in any way, save genetic manipulation, mutation or corruption. Nor would any such offspring be welcome anywhere.

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On the face of it, though, there's no reason why abhumans and normal humans couldn't have kids. They're all originally from human stock, and  I vaguely recall there's some evolutionary rule about how any two subspecies that are less than 100,000 years away from a common ancestor are able to interbreed. All abhumans are at most 38,000 years away from humanity.  

So all of the following would work:-

  • half human half Ogryn,
  • half human half ratling, 
  • half human half beastman
  • half human half Sq [bANG]

[TERMINATED BY THE ORDER OF THE INQUISITION]  

...Ahem... As for aliens, we've already seen references to the 1st ed RT half Eldar Astropath. Although he's technically old canon, I dislike interesting concepts being booted out of the canon so easily just because they don't fit. As I recall, this individual was supposed to have been the offspring of an Eldar Corsair and a human. Perhaps the father was a Dark Eldar? Perhaps the librarian was the product of a depraved Homonculi experiment in creating new forms of grotesques? Eldar DNA grafted to a human embryo or something of the like? Just a thought...

As for getting it on with Orks, well, it takes all sorts, as the saying goes. But given that Orks reproduce by spores, I can't see any viable Ork/human crossbreeds.

There were Ork/Genestealer hybrids, though. They were in the old Freebooterz book. There was even a miniature.  

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Well after a search of Lexicanum I found that there is apparently one currently cannon Half-Eldar, Kaarja Salombar from the Black Library book "The chapters Due".  Let the /tg nerd rage and whining commence.  And you get to blame GW and BL for this.

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Now wait a minute. I thought Black Library books weren't necessarily canon? And there might be a good reason for that--I've heard of some BL books that have, well, questionable material in them. Eldar torture porn, spore mines not exploding in proximity to enemies but rather dragging them away, Space Marines with Multi-Lasers, so on. By not confirming or denying a BL book is canon, GW can pick and choose the good stuff while, at the same time, relegating the bad stuff to existing only in the books they occurred in.

So, if there's some half-human, half-Eldar hybrid running around in a BL book, that's great, but I don't think it'll ever have much impact on the mainstream GW universe. If you want to have something like that in your game then you shouldn't blow it off as some casual 4-chan-ish bit of fanfiction, but a major super big deal. This person will have no place in the universe where he is truly welcome. Inquisitors would want to shoot him on sight, and the Eldar would kill him for mingling his perfect DNA with that of the Mon-Keigh. Unless he hid his identity, he'd cause even more problems than simply having a straight-up Ork or Kroot in the crew.

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Fabian Grax said:

Now wait a minute. I thought Black Library books weren't necessarily canon?

Pseudo-official GW position is "Everything written by Black Library authors is vetted and canon, except the stuff that isn't." 

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Actually Fabian I agree with you, they would have no place in the 40k universe and they would know it.  They would have advantages and disadvantages from both blood lines and be welcome in neither.  A half breed would literally be an outcast everywhere except on the fringes of society.  In the Imperium the only place they might be made welcome would be with the mutants, abhumans, Rogue Traders, or an Inquisitor of a more radical bent.  An Eldar-Human half breed should not ever be normal in 40k.  That said I do think they should exist but more for the reaction of the Humans and Eldar.  There is exactly one player I can think of that I would allow to play a half-Eldar character, and that is because he is a really good role-player and would understand the problems such a character would face.

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I am new to 40k. I only came in with Rogue Trader and have just started to really look at the wider setting. However I myself would never allow or use half breeds. The Eldar look humanish, but only on the outside. They are Xenos and can no more breed with humans then Kroot can. I even play them up as they move in ways not "right" Joints and such not being human like. It is unlikly they have the same organs inside as humans do, much less DNA that would work with those of a totally diffent  gentic make up.

 

I know 40k started out as fantasy in space, but they are not a fantasy race in the same world. They are a Xeno race that was crafted or evoled on a world not like earth. I really could care less on what someone in some book wrote. It just sits wrong with me. I do not think many would allow such a tainted human to live anyhow.

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The Xenology book suggests that, once you actually dissect an Eldar, they are revealed to be very different to humans, with a "tidier" internal organ layout, strange latticed bone structure and weird crenellations and lobes all around the brain. I seem to recall (this is from memory, I haven't read the book in a while) that the regenerative organs are extremely different to those of normal humans...I think there was something about how these organs suggested that reproduction was a gradual, accumulative process carried out over some time, though details are (perhaps fortunately) unclear beyond that vague hint. 

All this suggests that despite looking like humans, Eldar are so physiologically different as to be totally incapable of producing offspring with them.. 

However, as I say, this doesn't necessarily preclude the creation of chimaerical, vat-born entities that share some of the DNA of humans and Eldar. After all, if Afrielis are (in some undefined way) created using the genetic material of dead imperial heroes, and if the Astartes carry some of the gene-markers of the Emperor himself, then it doesn't seem totally impossible for a particularly sick mind in the 40k universe to try and create Eldar/Human hybrids in a laboratory somewhere.  It's the sort of thing you can imagine the Dark Eldar or Fabius Bile having a go at... 

So if you REALLY want half Eldar hybrids in your campaign, I would say that the canon contains (arguably) just enough material  to allow their inclusion. I'd suggest that they'd be weird, horrific twisted creatures, though, rather than attractive individuals inheriting the best of both worlds. Think Uruk-Hai, not Evangeline Lily.          

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Considering how Tolkienish bits of 40k can sometimes be, I suspect that Eldar an Humans COULD breed. The Eldar were made by the Old Ones, and I bet the same ancient lizards probably had some impact on Humanity, more likely tinkering with what they found, rather than making Humans out of whole cloth, like they did the Eldar. Since Elves and Men can breed, if they really want to, it stands to reason that Eldar and Humans can breed, if they REALLTY want to. Of course, this situation begs the question "do they REALLY want to?", and the answer is almost always going to be "NO." Like in Tolkien's world, they are a very different peoples, and usually have very little in common. As stated, the Eldar, like Tokien's, or especially D&D Elves, would likely look at the idea as ludicrous, foolish, or blasphemous, and any such children (I suspect most attempts would fail, with the rare one coming to birth), as degenerate creatures, not fit to be apart of their vaunted, ancient culture. Humans are scared of everything alien, in 40k, and this may be the only setting in games I've played where the Human male doesn't have the strong desire to reach the alien/mythical babe, and do what few/no other men get to. Here, they look at all xenos as hideous, even if the Eldar Farseer, after removing her helmet, might have a face that would make Helen of Troy put a paper bag on, in shame. If the Eldar ever want to rebound their race, rather than wait to all die, and only then destroy Slaanesh through Ynnead, breeding with viable Humans, and fostering a race of hybrids might be their only hope. Otherwise, I like to think of Eldar as Gnomes; they only breed once in their long lives, around the halfway point, and always have twins. This means their pop growth can never be really high, and that implies they live long enough to themselves breed, which isn't always likely in the grim, dark future.

Getting the right one Human, and one Eldar together, and having them succeed at procreation would be hard, and fraught with failure. I have a fanfic I am writing, and there, a Human and Eldar do have a relationship, though it started out poorly. In it, they do have to deal with both sides hating them. Alistair is a deserter Guardsman, an Unsanctioned Psyker, and apparently a xenos sympathizer, and numerous factions of the Imperium would very much like to kill him. Astrina left her Craftworld, depriving them of a Farseer, and has gone on to save Alistair, several times, even from her own people, all because of a vision she had, one that the rest of her people uncharacteristically are telling her to ignore, or break. They are currently hiding on an agri-world, somewhere, and the only reason they still live is because, on the Imperium side, an Inquisitor found them, and was able to hammer out a deal that he felt warranted letting them stay where they were, while on the Eldar side, Astrina's father, a ridiculously old Eldar of import in his Craftworld, has done what he can to stay their hand, though he, too, is leery of what the vision might lead to. And these two star-crossed lovers haven't even considered moving into "having a kid" territory.

So, in summation, I think they could have hybrids, at least in a small handful of races and humans (one of the Human traits is almost always their ability to mix with anything, and excel at anything). That said, I don't think there should be any in game, as they should be rarer than Nulls, and have even more penalties. If there were one, their story would almost HAVE to be the be-all, the end-all, and the central thread of everything going on, and that will overshadow every other player in the group, players who, again, come from a skittish society that is terrified to the point of genocide of anything that isn't like them.

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Lightbringer said:

The Xenology book suggests that, once you actually dissect an Eldar, they are revealed to be very different to humans, with a "tidier" internal organ layout, strange latticed bone structure and weird crenellations and lobes all around the brain. I seem to recall (this is from memory, I haven't read the book in a while) that the regenerative organs are extremely different to those of normal humans...I think there was something about how these organs suggested that reproduction was a gradual, accumulative process carried out over some time, though details are (perhaps fortunately) unclear beyond that vague hint. 

All this suggests that despite looking like humans, Eldar are so physiologically different as to be totally incapable of producing offspring with them.. 

        

 

I agree with this, I also need to hunt that book down now. The two races are simply to far removed. They can no more breed then a human and a Kroot or a human and a Tau. You could have a human with some small amount of Eldar DNA, but it would have to have been crafted in a lab somewhere. And if this...thing, were ever found out about. Oh yes the cleanshing flames would burn bright. 40K is simply far to xenophobic to allow it to live. To mix human DNA with that of a Xeno ,Heresy! Such vile corruption is just unthinkable.

 

I simply do not see how it is possible or would ever be allowed.

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Short answer, No.

Longer answer... Pretty sure given current canon that the closest thing you get to a Human/anything hybrid is a Kroot clan who eats lots and lots of Humies.

The old, OLD fluff allowed for it, but it also allowed for Zoats and space Vampires. (and super nifty little Eldar robots) As much as it may seem neat to revisit that stuff, there really is a reason it's best left in the past, there were lots of drugs involved in that content, just look at the artwork.

That said, if you want to allow it in your game, by all means have at it.

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Considering the species in 40k are vastly different alien races with unrelated genetics, your best bet to model this in the universe is genetic manipulation, which IS canon! ...But also immensely heretical. I believe there's something about it in one of the Dark Heresy books, though I can't quote page numbers.

My suggestion is to take the Unnatural Origin birthright from Into the Storm, tweak the talents it provides to your liking, and possibly finagle a custom homeworld origin if you feel like doing actual work.

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Well if all you wanted was a xenos that has bit of human DNA and appearance mixed in with them then there are a few ways that such a being comes about. However it's worth noting that there's nothing really like the half breed species of D&D.

Most such gene mixes are the results of horrible experiments, or inhuman monsters working their unknowable whims on humanity. IN effect, they're more like the Deep Ones of Cthulhu mythos. In other words, not someone you usually want to meet.

For example we have the following known means of splicing humans with other things.

1) Daemons doing weird warp stuff to your unborn babies. Which never ends well.

2) Dark Eldar getting bored and doing horrible things to your unborn babies. Which ends well for the dark eldar but not for anyone else involved

3) Genestealers infecting a person and then using them to make genestealer hybrids that eventually breed until they're producing more purestrain genestealers.

4) Heretek tech priests and or Fabius Bile stapling together body parts and DNA sequences to create some monsterous frankenstein like super human. Again..this doesn't end well.

 

 

 

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