2 quick questions: Maester (tin and copper link vs white raven) and horseback archers vs intimidate

[Yusaku 0]

 1) If a maester has attached upon him tin and copper link and the opponent has the white raven in play. Can the maester while kneeling to give at the same time the raven trait at the tin link (ability of copper link) and remove the white raven from play (ability of tin link)?

2) A character with intimidate (Nute the Barber) is attacking. He already has 5 str due to plot card. Can the Targaryen player kneel 1 influence and put as defender Horseback Archers? Or due to intimidate the Targ. cannot make this action?  

[Underworld40k 51]

 The tin link can remove the raven, the only card that i can find that has been faq'ed is the carrion bird to 'printed trait only'.

Intimidate does NOT stop characters being declared as a defender or put into play, it just counts all characters with lower strength as strength 0 for the purposes of the challenge.

Awaits ktom slap down for being wrong

[ktom 598]

Underworld40k said:

Awaits ktom slap down for being wrong

The only things you are "wrong" about are "big picture" kind of things, and they are mostly semantics.

1. Yes, if you give Tin Link the "Raven" trait with Copper Link, it will be able to "bypass" the Raven attachment's "immune to non-Raven cards" text and discard them. That kind of trait manipulation is the point of Copper Link (and the ease of abusing it is why Carrion Bird was modified to specify "printed trait"). Ill-Tidings is the only card I know of that can discard the Raven attachments (other than another Raven attachment, of course) without trait manipulation.

2. Technically, Horseback Archers are not declared as defenders. They are just dropped in. But the answer that Intimidate does not place any limits on who CAN participate in the challenge - only what happens when you get to counting STR to determine the winner - is entirely correct.

[Yusaku 0]

 Thank you for the replies! 

However it is not cleared to me the tin/copper - raven question. I know that it is possible to give the raven trait to tin link and THEN remove the White Raven attachment.

My question is about the timing of the combo. Can the SAME maester who has attached both copper and tin link,  to remove the White Raven while kneeling? I think it is not possible since at the start of the initiation of the action tin link has not the raven trait and cannot target White Raven.

I think that this is possible only when one maester has attached on him the copper link and another maester has attached the tin link. When the first maester kneels gives the tin link the raven trait and then and then the second maester with the tin link while kneels can remove the White Raven.

Of course i might be wrong!

 

[-Istaril 157]

 Yup, you're wrong. Since both responses are happening to the same thing (the attached character kneeling), you choose what order to trigger them. Each will resolve completely before the other initiates. 

[ktom 598]

Yusaku said:

My question is about the timing of the combo. Can the SAME maester who has attached both copper and tin link,  to remove the White Raven while kneeling? I think it is not possible since at the start of the initiation of the action tin link has not the raven trait and cannot target White Raven.

It doesn't matter what state the Tin Link is in when the Maester kneels. It only matters what state the Tin Link is in when you trigger ITS Response. Until you initiate the Tin Link, there is no attempted interaction between the two attachments. 

You don't look for the Raven trait on Tin Link until it tries to target the White Raven. So long as it gains the trait before you trigger its Response, you're good to go. It doesn't matter when or how it got the trait, only that the trait is there when its Response is triggered.