3 Questions (Brienne, plots, Varys)

[kelemvor3 0]

Hello to all!!!

1. Brienne(POTS) says : While Brienne of Tarth is participating in a challenge, opponents cannot trigger effects.

It means the opponent cannot play event cards, trigger character abilities etc?? can someone gimme some examples?

 

2. Mutual cause(Core) plot says : When revealed, if you have more than one opponent, choose an opponent. You and that opponent cannot declare Military challenges against one another this round.

This means, that if i play Joust , this plot is useless because i have 1 opponent?

 

3. Varys(Core) says :Plot: If you have more than one opponent, kneel Varys to choose an opponent. Until the end of the round, switch plot decks and used plot piles with that opponent.

This means, that if i play Joust , this plot is useless because i have 1 opponent?

 

Thanx for your time.

[the1andonlime 0]

Kelemvor said:

Hello to all!!!

1. Brienne(POTS) says : While Brienne of Tarth is participating in a challenge, opponents cannot trigger effects.

It means the opponent cannot play event cards, trigger character abilities etc?? can someone gimme some examples?

 

Brienne does exactly what you've described here. Basically, while she's in a challenge no opponent (this include opponents not directly involved in the challenge) can trigger anything that has a Response or [Phase] text in bold (i.e. triggered abilities). Interestingly, she is also one of the very few ways to stop Siege of Winterfell and The Maester's Path.

Kelemvor said:

2. Mutual cause(Core) plot says : When revealed, if you have more than one opponent, choose an opponent. You and that opponent cannot declare Military challenges against one another this round.

This means, that if i play Joust , this plot is useless because i have 1 opponent?

No. This means that the plot has no effect, not that it's useless. Remember, it is still a 2 claim plot

 

Kelemvor said:

3. Varys(Core) says :Plot: If you have more than one opponent, kneel Varys to choose an opponent. Until the end of the round, switch plot decks and used plot piles with that opponent.

This means, that if i play Joust , this plot is useless because i have 1 opponent?

 

Thanx for your time.

Ctrl+c, Ctrl+v is not necessary the best way to go sometimes.

Yes, Varys' ability cannot be triggered if you have only one opponent.

[kelemvor3 0]

Ctrl+c, Ctrl+v , saves important seconds of life

thanks for the time mate!

[kelemvor3 0]

When you say , stop the siege of winterfell you mean she can prevent the 2 power claim of the victorious ML challenge?

[schrecklich 0]

Kelemvor said:

When you say , stop the siege of winterfell you mean she can prevent the 2 power claim of the victorious ML challenge?

Yes, that's what he meant.  A Stark player can not trigger Siege of Winterfell during a challenge in which Brienne is paricipating.

[ktom 598]

schrecklich said:

Kelemvor said:

 

When you say , stop the siege of winterfell you mean she can prevent the 2 power claim of the victorious ML challenge?

 

 

Yes, that's what he meant.  A Stark player can not trigger Siege of Winterfell during a challenge in which Brienne is paricipating.

In which she is participating on the Stark's opponent's side. She could participate on the side of the Siege of Winterfell's player.

[kelemvor3 0]

this is because the siege of winterfell is considered an event that triggers in the beggining of a military challenge?

[Ratatoskr 34]

No. SoW's reads:

House Stark only.
You cannot claim power for your House except during a Military challenge.
Response: After you win a Military challenge, claim 2 power for your House.

People here are talking about the Response: part. If Brienne is participating in the MIL challenge in question, the winning Stark player running SoW cannot trigger the Response. This is true even if Brienne was killed for claim or Deadly et al. during the same challenge, because she's still moribund on the table at the time the Response opportunity is open.

Please note that the Response of SoW cannot be cancelled by the likes of He Calls It Thinking or To Be A Kraken, because the effects of an Agenda cannot be cancelled. Brienne is different, her effect is not a Cancel; she prevents opponents from triggering effects in the first place.

 

[ktom 598]

Kelemvor said:

this is because the siege of winterfell is considered an event that triggers in the beggining of a military challenge?

Siege of Winterfell is an Agenda, not an event. Do not consider something to be something else in this game unless a card specifically says so.

But the Response on the Agenda is a triggered effect. Brienne stops your opponent from using ANY triggered effect while she is participating - no matter what kind of card it came from.

[kelemvor3 0]

Yes but, siege says : "Response: After you win a Military challenge, claim 2 power for your House."

This is confusing me...it says after, meaning as far as i understand, that Brienne is out of the challenge when the challenge ends....i cant understand :/

[ktom 598]

Kelemvor said:

This is confusing me...it says after, meaning as far as i understand, that Brienne is out of the challenge when the challenge ends....i cant understand :/

The challenge is considered ongoing - and the characters still participating - until all passive effects and Responses to that challenge have been resolved. So Brienne is NOT out of the challenge when the Response is used.

Best example of why we know this is true is "A Lannister Pays His Debts" which reads: "Response: After you lose a challenge, kneel one of your  LANNI characters to choose and kill a participating character controlled by the winning opponent."

"After you lose" on ALPHD is the same thing as "After you win" on Siege, just from the other player's side of the table, right? So if the challenge ended and all the characters are out of the challenge, how could there EVER be a "participating" character for ALPHD to kill?

So, since Responses - like Siege - are played as part of the "resolve challenge" framework window, and the challenge doesn't actually end until the close of that "resolve challenge" framework window, Brienne is still considered a participating character when Siege would be triggered - so she stops it from ever happening.

[kelemvor3 0]

I understand your explanation. It makes sense