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Hygric said:

 

I like the ideas in this thread.  I can see it being usefull for a mini-campaign to introduce a Grey Knight PC into the group (I have a player in my group that would litteraly give his left nut to play a GK).

Firstly, have a OX Inquisitor send the squad on a mission to retrieve an alien artifact from cold-traders on an imperial world.  Unknown to the party at the time, this Inq is rather radical and intends to use the Halo Device that the party just retrieved on himself.

Secondly, party gets a mission from same Inq to go kill off the priesthood of a nasty little warp worshiping xeno race.  Que the mind-wipe scenario for the final battle.

Campaign continues as normal for a bit, with a few more subtle clues being thrown in now and then both to the presence of the GK and a few subtle hints that the Inq isn't the same man any more.

Finally, the Inq sends the PC's on a mission to wipe out a Xenos race that is almost extinct.  These Xenos are the ones with an alliance with the GK.  Que some great RP'ing opportunities between the two factions.  Provide clues that the Inq is corrupt as hell now and have a single GK volunteer to come back to Erioch with the KT to deal with the rogue Inq who is now a threat to both the OM and the OX.

After the dust settles, much explaining is done by the PC's to the watch commander and other important people on Erioch, resulting in a pact between the GK and the DW to protect and keep hidden the Xenos resource, at the cost of that single GK being assigned to the DW.

Very rough draft, just hashing out an idea.  I know that according to fluff a GK would never be in the DW, but it would be a plausible suspension of disbelief for my group to get a GK into the party this way.  Heck, maybe even make the GK become a blackshield with his secret kept safe by his Brothers in the new squad.  Renouncing ties to the GK this way might sattisfy the powers that be that there are no GK's serving in the DW. :-)

 

 

 

I think I would go a different route: make the Ordo Xenos Inquisitor a puritan instead of a radical, and the xenos a genuine threat for the Imperium, pheraps their destruction would save worlds or even a whole sector; these things are Xenos Horrificus (the Inquisitorial designation for the most evil and dangerous xenos), yet they also hate Chaos and have an arrangement to help Grey Knight fight daemons. What's the lesser evil: denying the Grey Knights some of their most effective daemon slaying tools, or allowing one of the most evil and repulsive xeno races to live and kill billions? Either way, no one really wins...Grimdark!

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hi everybody,

Let's have a start...

A long time ago in a galaxy at war, few times after the battle of Istvan 3 a unique Death Guard join the Imperium to tell about the Horus treachery, with him was the last lunar wolf and the first "saint" of the Imperium. They are the foundation of the futur ordos. (During the time the travel last from the fringe of the Imperium to Terra they were the first to kill plague marines.)

To that point of history, the death guard called Nathaniel Garo meet with the Sygillite and get his order.

In an unadorned Grey power armour and with the title of Knight (cf GK) he was mandate to find out SM from all the chapter to form an unit of psyker marines to fight the demon. The Horus Heresy was still going on, and their was already what would became the Grey Knight.

Those battle brothers were reunited and given the right to break the Nikea Edict and to perform their art. From this time the ordo malleus was created to fight the treacherous marinesn and their unatural ally.10 thousand years later the war is still raging and the ordos now bigger and stronger fight.

But in Imperial society the main Ordo is the Ordo Hereticus "secret" but "wellknown" it is feared and revered by all.

The Ordo Xenos is mainly "known" by those who make xenos artifact their way of life and those who sell them.

The Ordo Malleus for his part never let people alive to tell... they fight an evil so wrong that none is allowed to even testimony of his existence. ( when i mean people im talking about Imperial citizen). It's the less known Ordo but the most powerfull one.

And to know if GK are better than DW i have an only answer: they are battle brothers, they are SM all of then and none is better than an other. But like all chapter they get some role to fullfill and they are doing well.

Who ask a Salamander to sacrifice human life, to retain their blow to the Space Wolf, to be zen to the Blood Angel, to make a full frontal assault to the Raven Guard, to fight a trench war to the White Scar, to be mobile and swift to the Imperial Fist, to stay more human to an Iron Fist,who ask to an Ultramarine to be unconformist?

Everybody have his job, and they do it really well!

 

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 If the Ordo Malleus had a planet that was outfitting their chamber militant with xenos-gear, then i'm sure they'd wire tap all imperial communications and fleet movements for any reference to the planet, and if it comes up send an Inquisitor or his minion along to put their foot down and say "erm, no, this is ours now F*** off!".

Also Erioch features quarters where visiting Inquisitors may stay, and that's not just Ordo Xenos Inquisitors. As much as everyone would like to think that each Ordo is a force unto itself and they hide everything they do from eachother, they are all ultimately part of the Inquisition and if there is anything the big 'I' is good at, it's finding out what shouldn't be known.

So there's little chance the Deathwatch would just rock up and not have a clue as to what was in store for them.

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As amusing as it would be to imagine this scenario, consider the following:

1.  Mind wiping a kill team completely defeats the purpose of having a Deathwatch to begin with (bringing chapters closer together and teaching them how to fight aliens).  Any patron inquisitor (or the kill team's various chapter masters) with a kill team would be absolutely up in arms if another ordo had them mind wiped.

2.  Grey Knights are very single minded and, empirically, believe that their mission is far more important than literally anything else (the sisters of battle incident).  It is extremely unlikely, given their level of exposure to the wider Imperium (almost none) that they would let a simple kill team get in the way of their mission, no matter the chapters.

3.  That said, a Grey Knight Justicar could take one look at a competently led and kitted kill team and realize that there is a distinct chance the kill team would massacre the strike squad unmercifully.  If that happens, not only does the strike squad fail, but the aliens die and the ordo Malleus has some explaining to do as the kill team returns with the bodies of the grey knights.

 

If you run that scenario, you might want a deus ex machina in case it starts to look like a TPK, such as the mind-wiping scenario, or a simple oath never to speak of what they have seen.  Space marines take oaths pretty seriously.

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just thinking about mind wiping SM.

First why? SM are the only trusting figure in all the warhammer 40K background.

DA don't speack about fallen, SW never tell about wulfen, all battle brother seconded to DW make oath to never reveal what they have done during their time....

When an astartes take an oath of secret, give his word to remain silent as a tomb he just do that.

You don't have to mind wipe any SM just to makje them swear or take an oath.

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Thebigjul said:

just thinking about mind wiping SM.

First why? SM are the only trusting figure in all the warhammer 40K background.

DA don't speack about fallen, SW never tell about wulfen, all battle brother seconded to DW make oath to never reveal what they have done during their time....

When an astartes take an oath of secret, give his word to remain silent as a tomb he just do that.

You don't have to mind wipe any SM just to makje them swear or take an oath.

 

While I think it's not quite as you put it(Marines trustworthy?), I'd say that it's also to protect them from corrupting influence.

 

Alex

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Thebigjul said:

just thinking about mind wiping SM.

First why? SM are the only trusting figure in all the warhammer 40K background.

DA don't speack about fallen, SW never tell about wulfen, all battle brother seconded to DW make oath to never reveal what they have done during their time....

When an astartes take an oath of secret, give his word to remain silent as a tomb he just do that.

You don't have to mind wipe any SM just to makje them swear or take an oath.

 

That's not how the OM sees it, though - they tend to chomp at the bit to exercise their authority over other branches of the Imperium (see: First war for Armageddon), and view others refusing it as an existential threat to their organization.  Grey Knights tend to obey what orders they get even if there isn't a good reason for it, as well, so don't expect too much negotiation on the matter.

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Hey, that is an intriguing idea for a campaign or an adventure arc

Start the game with the kill-team waking up with no clue what the hell happened.. and they are in a prison. Then they get informed that they will go through judgement for utterly failing their mission and condemning a whole world to die due to hostile xenos invasion.

Then at the judgement, the Death watch captain can clearly seen they have been mind wiped and decide to give them a second chance and send them back to wherever it was that they were... and play it from there.

So basically, the Kill Team would find clues of what happened before to them, could find discarded bolters clips with a particular mark that only their heavy specialist use, or myriads of other personal details, and let them rebuild the events that happened on the planet, culminating with the confrontation with the GKs. Of course they do not know they were GKs, but they might have left tracks, Power Armour tracks, scraps of metal... bolter shells with the inquisition symbol etc.

It could make for a very interesting campaign or for a good variation mission from the usual.

 

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ak-73 said:

Thebigjul said:

 

 

While I think it's not quite as you put it(Marines trustworthy?), I'd say that it's also to protect them from corrupting influence.

After all, not everyone has easy access to a convent of Adeptus Sororitas for handy corruption protection by bathing in their fresh blood.

 

 

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