Winning dominance phase

[player741172 0]

Simple question : If there's no standing character(s) during Dominance phase, nobody win ? Even if I have 4 gold pieces and my opponent has 2, if we don't have at least one standing character, the rule of winning dominance do not apply ?

[Bomb 66]

I quote the core rules for Dominance:

"At the beginning of the dominance phase, all
players count the total combined STR of all of
their standing characters, and add 1 to this total
for each gold token in their gold pool. The player
with the highest value wins dominance and immediately
claims 1 power for his or her House.
Power is awarded for dominance before any
player has an opportunity to take actions (such as
playing an event card that stands a knelt character
or steals gold from another player’s gold
pool). No player wins dominance if there is a tie
for the highest value."

 

It says to add the combined total strength of all your standing characters and add 1 to this total for each gold token you own.  Basically, if you have no standing characters left, your strength is 0.  You still add your remaining gold tokens to that amount when calculating dominance.

So you had 4 gold and your opponent had 2.  You win dominance with 4.

[player741172 0]

But since we have no standing character the rule nullify. How can I count STR if I don't have any character standing. STR is provided by a character.

[ktom 598]

Kobaia said:

But since we have no standing character the rule nullify. How can I count STR if I don't have any character standing. STR is provided by a character.

How is the rule nullified? The rule says to count up the total STR of all your standing characters, then add 1 for each gold token you have. If you have no standing characters, you have nothing to add. So then the total combined STR of all your "standing" characters is 0.

In the end, you are not comparing "standing STR;" you are comparing "STR counted for Dominance." Your reasoning here is kind of like saying that if there are no cards in your hand, you don't have a hand, so you can't draw any new cards.

[player741172 0]

ktom said:

Kobaia said:

The rule says to count up the total STR of all your standing characters, then add 1 for each gold token you have. If you have no standing characters, you have nothing to add. So then the total combined STR of all your "standing" characters is 0.

So if there's no standing character on both sides, nobody wins Dominance. Just want to make sure that I'm reading you clearly ?

 

[Rogue30 60]

Kobaia said:

But since we have no standing character the rule nullify. How can I count STR if I don't have any character standing. STR is provided by a character.

Look at Dagmer Cleftjaw agot.dbler.com/index.php

You got correct answer in second post.

[player741172 0]

Rogue30 said:

Kobaia said:

 

But since we have no standing character the rule nullify. How can I count STR if I don't have any character standing. STR is provided by a character.

 

 

Look at Dagmer Cleftjaw agot.dbler.com/index.php

You got correct answer in second post.

Thus considering Warship a standing character with STR 2 in Dominance.

In my case, there are absolutely no standing characters whatsoever : none after challenge, none after card effect or card abilities, none. We don't fulfill the minimum requirement of winning Dominance, no character are standing. Logically, nobody should win the Dominance phase.

[Rogue30 60]

Kobaia said:

 

Thus considering Warship a standing character with STR 2 in Dominance.

So, by your logic you can attach Flame-Kissed to warship location and kill it as long it's during dominance phase, right?

[player741172 0]

Rogue30 said:

Kobaia said:

 

 

Thus considering Warship a standing character with STR 2 in Dominance.

 

 

So, by your logic you can attach Flame-Kissed to warship location and kill it as long it's during dominance phase, right?

Ok, I'll reword my sentence. Warship in Dominance is not a character but the +2 STR it has in Dominance, gives him the "aspect" of a standing character if I could say. So by my logic and yours, Flame-Kissed can not be attached to Warship .

[Makiavel2 0]

So if I have no character in play and my opponent has one character standing with 0 STR it's a tie.

But give me 1 gold and I win. Right?

[Rogue30 60]

Kobaia said:

but the +2 STR it has in Dominance, gives him the "aspect" of a standing character if I could say.

So, how can you count STR if you don't have any character standing? If warship is kneeling - is your "aspect" still standing?

Makiavel said:

So if I have no character in play and my opponent has one character standing with 0 STR it's a tie.

But give me 1 gold and I win. Right?

Correct.

[ktom 598]

Kobaia said:

So if there's no standing character on both sides, nobody wins Dominance. Just want to make sure that I'm reading you clearly ?

Only if no one has any gold, either.

 

Kobaia said:

Ok, I'll reword my sentence. Warship in Dominance is not a character but the +2 STR it has in Dominance, gives him the "aspect" of a standing character if I could say. 

And yet, the rules for Dominance don't do the exact same thing for the gold in your gold pool?

 

 

There is no "minimum requirement" for the Dominance count. It is a framework event that the game makes happen. Counting all the STR (and adding in the gold) is not something that has a "minimum requirement" or a threshold. It is part of the game, period.

If you have no characters with the military icon, does the game still give you the opportunity to initiate a military challenge during the challenge phase, even if you cannot take advantage of it? Of course. Dominance is the same way: you have the opportunity to count Dominance STR whether you have characters standing or not. Unlike challenges, though, you do not need to have a character "participating" in the Dominance count in order to win it.

 

Said another way, if you ask me to count up all the apples I have, then add in all the oranges I have and tell you how many pieces of fruit there are, what do I tell you if I ate the last apple yesterday, but still have 3 oranges in the house? 0? Or 3? Your logic on Dominance seems to be saying the correct "fruit count" is 0.

 

[Bomb 66]

I did not realize that this was going further than my reply.

No where does it say in the rules that standing characters are required to win dominance.  Having no standing characters means the strength you gain from them is 0 strength toward dominance.  Then you add anything else that counts toward dominance, such as the remaining Gold in your gold pool and other non-character cards that give you a bonus in strength toward dominance.

The equation for dominance:

Dominance Strength = [standing Character strength] + [Gold Remaining in Gold pool] + [Additional cards that provide dominance bonuses]

Any of those that fit into each part of the equation can equal 0 if none exist.  Dominance only equals 0 if ALL of them are 0.

[player741172 0]

Bomb said:

I did not realize that this was going further than my reply.

No where does it say in the rules that standing characters are required to win dominance.  Having no standing characters means the strength you gain from them is 0 strength toward dominance.  Then you add anything else that counts toward dominance, such as the remaining Gold in your gold pool and other non-character cards that give you a bonus in strength toward dominance.

The equation for dominance:

Dominance Strength = [standing Character strength] + [Gold Remaining in Gold pool] + [Additional cards that provide dominance bonuses]

Any of those that fit into each part of the equation can equal 0 if none exist.  Dominance only equals 0 if ALL of them are 0.

To me, "At the beginning of the dominance phase, all player count the total combined STR of all of their standing characters....." it means you have to satisfty that condition to win the Dominance phase. To me, you have to have at least one standing character. I guess I was wrong . Thank you all. Looks like I will keep some money to win some more power point .