Predictions/Hopes for RRG

[KarlVonCarstein 106]

So when do you guys think the new RRG will be released? My personal guess is next Thursday.

[Caimheul1313 2,990]

1 hour ago, KarlVonCarstein said:

So when do you guys think the new RRG will be released? My personal guess is next Thursday.

I think the week before the next releases is likely, merging the point changes/FAQ/errata with the new keywords.

[arnoldrew 1,713]

1 hour ago, KarlVonCarstein said:

So when do you guys think the new RRG will be released? My personal guess is next Thursday.

 

1 minute ago, Caimheul1313 said:

I think the week before the next releases is likely, merging the point changes/FAQ/errata with the new keywords.

Yup, next week or the week after seems likely.

[Mace Windu 1,173]

Honestly when FFG said November I always assumed it would be the 30th, but considering I've got a tournament to attend on the 21st id really like it to drop sooner!!!

[drail14me 1,255]

5 hours ago, KarlVonCarstein said:

So when do you guys think the new RRG will be released? My personal guess is next Thursday.

I want it NOW!!

[5particus 205]

im gonna guess around the 20th

[Darth Sanguis 6,327]

They usually drop the new RRG about a week before the new units come out, right? Am I mis-remembering? 

[arnoldrew 1,713]

48 minutes ago, Darth Sanguis said:

They usually drop the new RRG about a week before the new units come out, right? Am I mis-remembering? 

Usually, or in the case of the wave with ARCs, 2 months after.

[evo454 432]

I could see it happening early next week optimistically. I just got my "shipping soon" confirmation for Anakin.

[lologrelol 488]

It will come November 2021.

[RyantheFett 532]

If I remember correctly they said in the interview they were hoping to have it out the same time as Maul/Ani. It sounded like they had to get it approved and they were not sure of the exact date. I would also like to see it before the new stuff comes in to make all four factions feel like they got something new to work with.

[Epik327 0]

On 10/23/2020 at 4:11 PM, arnoldrew said:

Both Vaders need to be more tanky. I think they need defensive surge at minimum, so Deflect would just be a nice bonus if you happen to have a dodge token instead of the current "Oh god I need to activate now and basically waste his activation just to trigger Force Reflexes and not die!!!"

I agree, both Vader's need some love. One step towards that which could help other force users as well would be that Force Reflexes could be used in response to an attack, rather than used preemptively on your activation. I've always found it weird to have to throw away an action/a Master of the Force on the next turn just in case I might get shot this turn. Especially since taking the dodge token then usually prevents the attack altogether so Deflect never even gets to trigger. I understand that it was designed to be a force user way to take a dodge action for free, but with so many options for getting dodge tokens available now, and with the force slot being so competitive, Reflexes just feels weak.

[KaLeu 253]

On 10/24/2020 at 12:19 PM, lologrelol said:

I predict we will see some minor points reductions.

Maybe the removal of clone standby sharing.

I think FFG will be conservative. You can't just apply a hammer to a whole system and expect good results.

I don‘t expect more neither. I guess that even with clones they will simply reword the Overwatch upgrade so it will only work with the unit's own standby token. 

[arnoldrew 1,713]

7 minutes ago, KaLeu said:

I don‘t expect more neither. I guess that even with clones they will simply reword the Overwatch upgrade so it will only work with the unit's own standby token. 

Unnecessary if you've already removed standby token sharing.

[bllaw 250]

1 minute ago, arnoldrew said:

Unnecessary if you've already removed standby token sharing.

Why is this just a given? Was there some leak I missed?

[arnoldrew 1,713]

11 minutes ago, bllaw said:

Why is this just a given? Was there some leak I missed?

Because it's generally considered a negative, oppressive play experience and many people have stated that they are of the belief that making that one simple change would go a long way towards balancing and improving the competitive environment. In that specific case, he responding to someone who stated they were probably going to make that one change, seemed to be in agreement with them, then added an Overwatch change as well.

[KaLeu 253]

14 minutes ago, arnoldrew said:

Because it's generally considered a negative, oppressive play experience and many people have stated that they are of the belief that making that one simple change would go a long way towards balancing and improving the competitive environment. In that specific case, he responding to someone who stated they were probably going to make that one change, seemed to be in agreement with them, then added an Overwatch change as well.

I have been misunderstood. I think that instead of taking away the standby token sharing fron the clones FFG will only nerf Overwatch. That‘s my prediction. I can even agree with the idea of taking standby out of the token sharing because of being too strong but I don‘t think they will do it. Maybe later when Padme‘s (or even Anakin‘s) standby sharing becomes too strong (with Exemplar).

[arnoldrew 1,713]

7 minutes ago, KaLeu said:

I have been misunderstood. I think that instead of taking away the standby token sharing fron the clones FFG will only nerf Overwatch. That‘s my prediction. I can even agree with the idea of taking standby out of the token sharing because of being too strong but I don‘t think they will do it. Maybe later when Padme‘s (or even Anakin‘s) standby sharing becomes too strong (with Exemplar).

Exemplar is why I think they should make the change. Standby do not need to be green tokens.

[Caimheul1313 2,990]

Rewording Overwatch just reduces the range of the Standby sharing, it doesn't outright prevent it. Changing the color of the token though, does.

Changing Overwatch would mean it works differently from any other upgrade that requires you to spend a green token without caring about the source, which can increase player confusion.

Edited November 10 by Caimheul1313

[lologrelol 488]

I'm a clone player and I don't really like standby sharing that much.

I can understand why it's there. I like how the faction functions by being able to 'lock down' sections of the board.

BUT

All my opponent's hate it. I don't like seeing the look of such dissatisfaction on player's faces from playing what is just a game.

It's not a fun ability to have to fight against.

Clones with aim/dodge/surge token sharing is strong enough.

I think the game will be healthier without standby sharing.

[Khobai 371]

On 11/3/2020 at 8:21 AM, 5particus said:

When you have never conceded a point in any thread (that i have seen) you are not being an honest interlocuter. you are just screaming your opinion over everyone elses comments and when they disagreee you scream it again, until they get to a point that you cannot disagree with at which point you change the subject or stop responding. That is what you do. It is the definition of an argument. You are a troll.

I havent seen you concede any points either though.

And what happens when the rules update comes out and everything ive been saying is proven right? Will you concede that youve been wrong? Surely not. Thats the problem with people like you, youre disingenuous and never practice what you preach. At least I never pretended to take the moral high ground.

The rules update will vindicate everything Ive been saying about GAR for months. But no one will ever admit I was right and they were wrong lol. Most other people here dont concede when theyre wrong, you wont concede when youre wrong... dont act like youre any different. And dont fault other people for not doing what you wont either.

And yes sometimes forum topics alternate between being discussions, debates, or arguments. There is nothing wrong with any of those. Again the problem is when people display a lack of civility and resort to personal attacks. You can have perfectly civil arguments. Say what you want about me but I dont single people out and attack them personally like you continue to do to me. You cant let it go.

 

Edited November 10 by Khobai

[5particus 205]

7 hours ago, Khobai said:

I havent seen you concede any points either though.

And what happens when the rules update comes out and everything ive been saying is proven right? Will you concede that youve been wrong? Surely not. Thats the problem with people like you, youre disingenuous and never practice what you preach. At least I never pretended to take the moral high ground.

The rules update will vindicate everything Ive been saying about GAR for months. But no one will ever admit I was right and they were wrong lol. Most other people here dont concede when theyre wrong, you wont concede when youre wrong... dont act like youre any different. And dont fault other people for not doing what you wont either.

And yes sometimes forum topics alternate between being discussions, debates, or arguments. There is nothing wrong with any of those. Again the problem is when people display a lack of civility and resort to personal attacks. You can have perfectly civil arguments. Say what you want about me but I dont single people out and attack them personally like you continue to do to me. You cant let it go.

 

 

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if the rules come out and you are completely correct then i will no longer be playing the game as the entire GAR faction would be unplayable and the the other factions would be horribly unbalanced (mostly towards the empire i think.)

 

If memory serves;

you want all token sharing to be removed from the clones (not just standby)

you also want the clones to go up in price,

you want Rex to go up in price,

you want the Saber to go up in price,

you want only the empire to have any range 4 weapons (none of the other factions),

you want Vader to be given speed 2 and to be given nimble for a points decrease,

you want the AT-ST to gain red defense and a points reduction,

you want the Airspeeder and landspeeder to have outmanouver and agile and nimble and be 40 points cheaper each,

you want the ISF to lose their reliable and get full defensive surge but also to lower their points,

you want both AT-RTs to lose their armour but stay the same cost.

 

these are just the ones that i can think of off the top of my head, you have made a lot of other ridiculous claims that i quite frankly cannot be bothered to look up. you dont care about the game being balanced, you only care about your unit not being as OP as you want and screw the balance.

I have come around to the idea that standby sharing between clones is a Negative Play Experience, sure it has its flaws and can be worked around and beaten but only by experienced players and specific builds so i would agree that it should go for the sake of balance. This was because i had a DISCUSSION with the players at my FLGS. I have always said that the main issue is the underperforming units that the civil wars factions have, if that is sorted (and it looks like it will be according to the Alex Davy interview) then it brings the other factions up rather than punishing the one at the top, which it what you seems to want to do.

 

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[Alpha17 2,853]

15 hours ago, arnoldrew said:

Exemplar is why I think they should make the change. Standby do not need to be green tokens.

But, why?  There's only one unit in the game (soon to be two) that have the keyword.  At best, it's a single extra standby shared per turn.  How is that a problem?  Removing Standby sharing from Exemplar hurts Padme a lot, and also hurts any future units that would feature the keyword.

[Caimheul1313 2,990]

@Alpha17 For a similar reason of nerfing it for Clone Troopers: it allows for a Standby token that is difficult to impossible to remove, makes Overwatch more powerful since the actual token is at up to range 5, and effectively gives the units with Exemplar a slightly limited form of Pulling the Strings.

Padme is still fine in my opinion since she can generate an aim and dodge for sharing from a single action, and she can generate a surge token for sharing every turn if you play Diplomatic Cover turn 1 without divulging. 

[buckero0 1,956]

I've mostly avoided this topic, because I don't play in the online tournaments.

I don't think I've ever used the Overwatch/Standby combo when I've played clones (I don't play them as much as others) but once or twice.  I usually play Rebels, so standby is only used with select characters and units.

I think just changing the Standby token definition from a green token to a grey token will fix the Negative Play experience and clones.  I don't want them to adjust points or do anything else, because I feel that with all the new units coming out, the designers naturally or inadvertently make the newer units better anyway and I think less is more in keeping everything balanced. They only seem to adjust the RRG once a year as it is.