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I personally think Padme's Nimble and Exemplar combo is rather strong. Especially when Obi-Wan is around to Guardian shots and use Soresu Mastery with Padme's doge. Then combine that with all the Phase II Clones using Situational Awareness. Its nigh impossible to get shots through into a Clone Castle.

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8 minutes ago, DarthDanMan said:

I personally think Padme's Nimble and Exemplar combo is rather strong. Especially when Obi-Wan is around to Guardian shots and use Soresu Mastery with Padme's doge. Then combine that with all the Phase II Clones using Situational Awareness. Its nigh impossible to get shots through into a Clone Castle.

Obi-wan cannot use hers, and then she gets it back from nimble. Nimble only works when she spends it.

 

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Padme can use quick thinking to get an aim and a dodge token. then use her second action to get another token of any type. Shes probably getting a surge token too.

She can keep one of the dodge tokens for herself for nimble then share the other 3 tokens with exemplar. And then she just sits on the dodge token and waits to see if she needs it and if she doesnt she can share it with another unit later in the turn.

It get pretty stupid in conjunction with her command cards that give her even more tokens to share.

I dont think shes necessarily overpowered on her own. But I think the whole token sharing game mechanic is proving itself to be ill-conceived. And it will only get worse with time.

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1 hour ago, Mokoshkana said:

Obi-wan cannot use hers, and then she gets it back from nimble. Nimble only works when she spends it.

 

I see.

"After a unit that has the nimble keyword defends against an attack, if it spent at least one dodge token, it gains one dodge token"

I felt like it was a tad OP. But then again, I'm only playing with one person right now still because of Covid.

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I consider her "Leia on steroids" 

Everyone used to say Leia was the cream of the crop when she came out.  I feel like Padme can do everything Leia does, except better. She has better action economy (she gets 2-3 times the tokens depending on command cards and other game effects) She has twice the range, she can deflect commands to those who need it, she can pass tokens without taking an action. She has better defense and offense, She has sharpshooter and pierce, she has the options for longer range, she still gets nimble. Even her command cards are similar, but with more. Wait, she costs the same points as Leia. I feel like the designers, sometimes can't restrain themselves, or like to blow the whole wad without saving anything for later on. 

At this point, Jar Jar Binks, really will be a one man army, for the small cost of 90pts.

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11 minutes ago, buckero0 said:

She has better defense and offense, She has sharpshooter and pierce

Without spending more points for the Looted E-5C, Padme and Leia have the same defense, same sharpshooter, and same pierce.  Leia technically has better offense as she surges to crit, unlike Padme.  One could certainly make the argument that Quick Thinking improves Padme's offense (or defense, depending on how you look at it), and Padme also has the E-5C available, but again that raises her cost.  Also, Leia has Inspire 2, which GAR would love to have.

Padme is definitely good, and maybe a bit better overall, but also keep in mind that, as she is an Operative, she can't be taken without spending at least 180 points (currently, with Rex, 145 once the generic officer is available).

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43 minutes ago, Lochlan said:

Without spending more points for the Looted E-5C, Padme and Leia have the same defense, same sharpshooter, and same pierce.  Leia technically has better offense as she surges to crit, unlike Padme.  One could certainly make the argument that Quick Thinking improves Padme's offense (or defense, depending on how you look at it), and Padme also has the E-5C available, but again that raises her cost.  Also, Leia has Inspire 2, which GAR would love to have.

Padme is definitely good, and maybe a bit better overall, but also keep in mind that, as she is an Operative, she can't be taken without spending at least 180 points (currently, with Rex, 145 once the generic officer is available).

To be fair, rebels dont normally take Leia by herself either. Theres almost another commander or operative in the list with her.

So the assessment of Padme being a way better version of Leia is not far off the mark.

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I find this amusing, and a continuation of the articles being written during playtesting: 
 

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As a side note, due to Authoritative, Padmé Amidala is able to order the Sabre tank using this card, potentially giving your tank TWO free aim tokens to start the turn, if you combine this card’s aim generating effect with the comms upgrade Linked Targeting Array. Pretty deadly stuff.

Either that or the Sabre tank is becoming a Trooper unit in the next update 😛.

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I thought Padme could share her tokens with any unit not just trooper units.

So she can issue an order to the saber tank every turn she plays one of her command cards using authoritative, it gets an aim token for linked targeting array, then it can pull another aim token and a dodge token off padme from quick thinking. and then also a surge token from reliable 1 and another aim or dodge token if she used her second action to get another token. So thats 5 tokens a turn for 3 turns then 4 tokens a turn for the other 3 turns. Thats ridiculous lol.

And thats not even including the extra tokens she gets from her command cards...

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  Also, Leia has Inspire 2, which GAR would love to have.

Padme doesnt have inspire 2 but with her command card she can pull all the suppression off your units then use a recover action to dump it. She also gains 2 more dodge tokens as well.

So im not sure why she needs inspire 2 when she can instantly dump all your suppression once per game.

Padme is definitely a way better Leia.

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12 minutes ago, Khobai said:

I thought Padme could share her tokens with any unit not just trooper units.

So she can issue an order to the saber tank every turn using authoritative, it gets an aim token for linked targeting array, then it can pull another aim token and a dodge token off padme from quick thinking. and then also a surge token from reliable 1 and another aim or dodge token if she used her second action to get another token.

And thats not even including the extra tokens she gets from her command cards...

The article states the tank would get a token from the command card, but the command card only gives tokens to Troopers.

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16 minutes ago, Caimheul1313 said:

I find this amusing, and a continuation of the articles being written during playtesting: 
 

Either that or the Sabre tank is becoming a Trooper unit in the next update 😛.

I think this is referencing Padme using Authoritative to pass the order issued to herself on to the Tank. But then it should not receive the Aim, correct? 

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The tank gets the token from authoritative which allows padme to give her face up activation token to another unit. So when the command card activates padme she passes her faceup token to the tank. The tank then gets the aim token for getting a face up activation token because of linked targeting array.

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32 minutes ago, Khobai said:

The tank gets the token from authoritative which allows padme to give her face up activation token to another unit. So when the command card activates padme she passes her faceup token to the tank. The tank then gets the aim token for getting a face up activation token because of linked targeting array.

However that also requires you to pull Padme from the random pile if you want her to activate before your other units to feed them more aim tokens. So its not entirely flawless. You give up your perfect activation control of padme in order to do that. Its still probably worth it for at least 3 extra aim tokens on the Saber Tank (possibly more than 3 if your commander also activates the tank)

Padme gets an extra aim token (from the command card Aggressive Negotiations itself, which is what we are talking about) if you issue her the order instead of the tank, so it's a wash from that perspective. If you're at all worried about he going first you might as well give her the order instead of the tank given you will end with the same number of aim tokens.

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34 minutes ago, smickletz said:

I think this is referencing Padme using Authoritative to pass the order issued to herself on to the Tank. But then it should not receive the Aim, correct? 

It says the tank gets 2 aims, one from the command card and one from LTA. It would not get the one from the command card since it is not a Trooper.

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2 hours ago, arnoldrew said:

It says the tank gets 2 aims, one from the command card and one from LTA. It would not get the one from the command card since it is not a Trooper.

The tank doesnt need to be a trooper. Read authoritative and exemplar. They work on ANY unit. Not just trooper units.

The command card doesnt need to give a faceup token to the tank. It only needs to give a faceup token to Padme, which it does. Padme then uses authoritative to give her faceup token to the Tank. The tank then gets an aim token from linked targeting array for having a faceup token.

The command card lets you activate padme and a trooper unit. Padme is a trooper unit so she can activate herself with the second activation allowed by the command card. I think thats the part youre missing?

Padme uses her own activation and authoritative to activate the tank. Then uses the trooper activation to activate herself. She then gives the tokens to herself and the tank can spend them because of Exemplar.

Alternatively, you can activate a trooper unit, but that sticks Padme in the random pile so you lose your perfect activation control of padme then. But then the tank can use the veteran clone pilot that lets it pull tokens off a trooper unit.

Theres multiple ways of doing it. Thats my understanding of how it all works.

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22 minutes ago, Khobai said:

The tank doesnt need to be a trooper. Read authoritative and exemplar. They work on ANY unit. Not just trooper units.

The command card doesnt need to give a faceup token to the tank. It only needs to give a faceup token to Padme, which it does. Padme then uses authoritative to give her faceup token to the Tank. The tank then gets an aim token from linked targeting array for having a faceup token.

The command card lets you activate padme and a trooper unit. Padme is a trooper unit so she can activate herself with the second activation allowed by the command card. I think thats the part youre missing?

Padme uses her own activation and authoritative to activate the tank. Then uses the trooper activation to activate herself. She then gives the tokens to herself and the tank can spend them because of Exemplar.

Aleternatively, you can activate a trooper unit, but that sticks Padme in the random pile. Then the tank can use the veteran clone pilot that lets it pull tokens off a trooper unit.

Thats my understanding of how it all works.

Read the text on the command card, please. It gives a token to a TROOPER unit that is given an order. That's what we are talking about. The tank does not qualify. Also, she can't issue an order to herself twice, even if she passes off an order token with Authoritative. You're also mixing up activations and orders a WHOLE lot.

Edit: Also, I know your style is generally argumentative, but you should try reading and comprehending what the people you're arguing with are saying before responding.

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if im being argumentative its because ive tried explaining the same thing to you three times.

The tank does not have to be a trooper. Its not getting the command tokens from the command card. Its getting them from Padme whos getting them from the command card. Padme has an ability called exemplar that lets her share her tokens with the tank. So any token placed on Padme is effectively the same thing as a token placed on the tank.

 

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Just now, Khobai said:

if im being argumentative its because ive tried explaining the same thing to you three times.

The tank does not have to be a trooper. Its not getting the command tokens from the card. Its getting them from padme whos getting them from the card.

And of course, you aren't listening or trying to comprehend what we are saying to you. The tank does not get the token from the command card because it is not a trooper, and the card specifically states it need to be a trooper to get the token. Padme can't get one from the card if she passes the token to a different unit, since you can't give an order to a unit twice even if they pass off the original token. I'm begging you to read every thing we write instead of just instantly replying without attempting to understand.

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Padme can't get one from the card if she passes the token to a different unit, since you can't give an order to a unit twice even if they pass off the original token. I'm begging you to read every thing we write instead of just instantly replying without attempting to understand.

Shes not giving an order to a unit twice. Because of authoritative she never technically gets an order in the first place, it gives the tank the order "instead".  Which im pretty sure still makes her a valid target to receive orders.

Authoritative's triggers says "when you would give her an order" not "after you give her an order". So she never actually gets the order.

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Khobai said:

Shes not giving an order to a unit twice. Because of authoritative she never technically gets an order in the first place, it gives the tank the order instead.  Which im pretty sure still makes her a valid target to receive orders.

 

 

Read the last bullet under Issuing Orders in the RRG. This has been established to work this way for some time.

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I dont think that applies to her. Because the order is never actually issued to her.

The last bullet says a unit cant be issued an order twice. But issuing an order is when you actually get a face up token. padme never gets the faceup token it goes to the tank instead. the tank is being issued the order not padme.

besides if it does count as padme getting issued an order then she would still get the aim token from the command card before passing the order along to the tank. because the command card triggers on a trooper unit being issued an order.

 

either way it works. because its either one or the other:

1) it doesnt issue her an order which ets her issue herself the trooper unit order on the command card since shes a trooper unit.

-or-

2) it does issue her an order which allows her to trigger the command card's effect (it triggers on being issued an order) and she can give herself an aim token before passing  it along to the tank with authoritative. but then padme cant issue herself another order and has to go in the random pile. but the tank can still pull the aim token off padme with exemplar.

 

the latter would actually be stronger because it would allow her to activate another trooper unit too.

but I believe its the former not the latter.

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17 minutes ago, Khobai said:

I dont think that applies to her. Because the order is never actually issued to her.

The last bullet says a unit cant be issued an order twice. But issuing an order is when you actually get a face up token. padme never gets the faceup token it goes to the tank instead. the tank is being issued the order not padme.

besides if it does count as padme getting issued an order then she would still get the aim token from the command card before passing the order along to the tank. because the command card triggers on a trooper unit being issued an order.

 

either way it works. because its either one or the other:

1) it doesnt issue her an order which ets her issue herself the trooper unit order on the command card since shes a trooper unit.

-or-

2) it does issue her an order which allows her to trigger the command card's effect (it triggers on being issued an order) and she can give herself an aim token before passing  it along to the tank with authoritative. but then padme cant issue herself another order and has to go in the random pile. but the tank can still pull the aim token off padme with exemplar.

 

the latter would actually be stronger because it would allow her to activate another trooper unit too.

but I believe its the former not the latter.

Now you aren't even reading the RRG entries I'm suggesting to you. I give up, arguing with you is so incredibly exhausting and so incredibly not worth it.

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The entry you suggested was the last bullet point. I read it. here it is:

"During the Command Phase, a unit can be issued an order
only once, even if a game effect causes that order to be
removed or issued to another unit instead."

Now listen to me. Either padme doesnt get issued an order or she does.

If authoritative doesnt issue padme an order then padme is still a valid unit to receive an order and can issue herself the trooper unit order on her command card. And the portion of her command card that says when a trooper is issued an order would still get to trigger.

If authoritative does issue padme an order and then the order gets passed along to the tank, the portion of her command card that says when a trooper is issued an order still gets to trigger. Padme was issued an order briefly before it went to the tank, so she would still get her aim token which she can then share with the tank with exemplar.

Either way the command card gets to trigger. Either way the tank gets access to 2 aim tokens.

And again I believe its the former not the latter. I dont think padme ever gets issued the order in the first place. That particular bullet point is meant to cover things like comm relay where the unit actually does get issued an order then passes it along to a different unit. Like the shennanigans shoretroopers used to do with mortars and comm relay. I dont believe it applies to authoritative because I dont believe padme ever gets issued an order. Authoritative works completely differently than comm relay.

 

 

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@Khobai
Ya that’s not how this works. 
 

- When a unit is issued an order, a player places an order token that matches the faction and rank of the unit receiving the orders near that unit on the battlefield; the player places the order token so its rank is faceup.

- Orders are issued one at a time, in an order chosen by the player who controls the unit that is issuing the orders. Any game effects that triggers when or after an order is issued are resolved one at a time, when or after that order is issued, and before any other orders are issued.

- During the Command Phase, a unit can be issued an order only once, even if a game effect causes that order to be removed or issued to another unit instead.

A unit is determined to have been issued an order when it is given a face up order token.  For this specific scenario, you attempt to issue an order to Padmé, you allow authoritative to trigger instead issuing the order to the saber tank. Then you go to issue your second order, you have already attempted to issue and order to Padmé, therefore she is no longer a viable target to issue further orders to in this command phase.

Also authoritative works EXACTLY like comms relay. 

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