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[UnitOmega 2,818]

I just want the ability to play everything from the OG Battlefront II, so I'll take Bothan Infiltrators. 

With tiny flamethrowers. 

[Ilostmycactus 52]

11 hours ago, Nithorian said:

Well Mara Jade is in a weird state, the only hint to her being canon is some aurebesh on a wall at Galaxy's Edge saying, "Mara Jade lives". Galaxy's Edge is supposed to be canon and a piece of the star wars universe you can visit, so the aurebesh should in theory exist somewhere within canon as well.

It also gives the Empire another force user, we weren't expecting. But I think the likely answer is a unit over a character, like Imperial Shock Troopers or perhaps some of the units from the old force unleashed games.

This was confirmed as fake 

 

[Caimheul1313 2,990]

2 hours ago, RyantheFett said:

Well that is interesting. I figure them running away from stereotypes is sort of a response to Lucas being super racist with a lot of stuff in TPM. Jar Jar, Nute, and Watto were just sooooo bad. Only real reason I can think of?

Of course the Clone Wars and Rebels made it clear that every race has a slight accent when they speak basic.

Besides that, the origin for the "single job species" like Bothans, Twi'leks, etc stereotypes are from the West End games RPGs actually, not Lucas. When they were fleshing out the universe, whatever job the species was mentioned doing/seen doing was "what they were good at." So female Twi'leks were slave dancers, Bothans were spies, Bith are musicians, etc. 

@Nithorian Because the spies are named for the system they are from not the other way around? This is why Bothans don't HAVE to be a species, they could just as easily be a culture of humans. Nothing in the canon ties them to a specific appearance.
How exactly does a planetary economy WORK if an entire species is predominantly a single job? Twi'leks have also been significantly changed since the old canon, with "slave dancer" now just one job they hold in the galaxy. Why are humans the only ones allowed to be flexible in their capabilities?

[FastWalker 205]

8 hours ago, arnoldrew said:

They don't want to commit to what/who the Bothans are yet. It seems they are leaving it open for future storytelling. Pablo Hidalgo said in a tweet that current canon does not even state if they are a group or a species.

 

8 hours ago, Caimheul1313 said:

So building on what arnoldrew stated, the other thing Disney/Lucasfilm has been moving away from is species conforming to the early stereotypes. So the old "Bothans are spies, special forces, and manipulative politicians" as well as the rest of the depiction of the species is what was made non-canon, as opposed to the existence of "Bothans." 

 

Cool.  Thanks for the info @arnoldrew and @Caimheul1313.  All I have to say to Disney is, "Sigh..."

[syrath 1,316]

2 hours ago, FastWalker said:

 

 

Cool.  Thanks for the info @arnoldrew and @Caimheul1313.  All I have to say to Disney is, "Sigh..."

Technically little is known about Bothans, for some reason Lucasfilm has a thing now about not defining what Bothans exactly are, to the point they have been removed from some later printings of the FFG RPG, and depictions of the Bothans now are called unidentified species in some places. 

Bothans may not even be a race. This I believe does date back to pre Disney or Lucas's agreement or at the very least pre Rogue One as it happened shortly after the Disney buyout. At the time it was because I thought that they were going to depict a Bothan on film perhaps in Solo, but they definitely didn't show, afaik there are two Canon references , the first is from RotJ, the second comes from the book Bloodlines where they are described as barking at each other, whether that is literally or figuratively it isnt specified.

Edited August 4 by syrath

[Nithorian 106]

4 hours ago, Caimheul1313 said:

 Because the spies are named for the system they are from not the other way around? This is why Bothans don't HAVE to be a species, they could just as easily be a culture of humans. Nothing in the canon ties them to a specific appearance.
How exactly does a planetary economy WORK if an entire species is predominantly a single job? Twi'leks have also been significantly changed since the old canon, with "slave dancer" now just one job they hold in the galaxy. Why are humans the only ones allowed to be flexible in their capabilities?

It isn't really about how it logically fits into the universe. Look at the Trandoshans, in a space age society what good is a race of pure hunters, that only sell their sentient captures into a Galaxy that outlawed Slavery, it is quite a dumb economic model. But with the Scorekeeper, and their rivalry with the wookies it at least gave them a sense of culture within the narrative of star wars at large. The same is true for a lot of species in star wars that only do one thing, like Jawas or Weequay. Without defining that cool thing that that species is well known for, you are dependant entirely on two things, the aesthetic design of the species and if any named famous characters were one, to make them stand out in the mess of noise that is all the different aliens in star wars.

[arnoldrew 1,713]

12 hours ago, Commodore Gardner said:

Are the FFG RPGs considered Canon? Because Bothans are a species in those. 

Edge of the Empire was coming out right around the time they were wiping the slate clean, and they delayed the release of non-English versions of the core book so they could take the Bothan species out of it.

[Caimheul1313 2,990]

9 hours ago, Nithorian said:

It isn't really about how it logically fits into the universe. Look at the Trandoshans, in a space age society what good is a race of pure hunters, that only sell their sentient captures into a Galaxy that outlawed Slavery, it is quite a dumb economic model. But with the Scorekeeper, and their rivalry with the wookies it at least gave them a sense of culture within the narrative of star wars at large. The same is true for a lot of species in star wars that only do one thing, like Jawas or Weequay. Without defining that cool thing that that species is well known for, you are dependant entirely on two things, the aesthetic design of the species and if any named famous characters were one, to make them stand out in the mess of noise that is all the different aliens in star wars.

Trandoshans are no longer "pure hunters" as we see them piloting salvage vessels and in charge of mining vessels. Hunting isn't just about capturing slaves, bounty hunters are also a major element of Star Wars, as are assassins, and big game hunters (Rancors, Krayt Dragons, etc). And hunting as a major past time still doesn't prevent them from having scientists or even farmers. If on the other hand, your species is known primary job is "spy," why would the Empire allow them anywhere NEAR classified intel? The Empire was Human centric, so having the "Bothan Spies" be human spies actually makes MORE sense in many ways. Additionally, the line never tells us how or why the Bothans died, just "Many Bothans died to bring us this information." Also, recall that the Emperor WANTED the information leaked to bait a trap. The Bothans could have been janitorial staff who "happened" to find a document left unsecured on a desk and then killed after information was found missing. Or running a space station that "accidentally" received a classified transmission and was destroyed by a Star Destroyer just a little too late to prevent it being transmitted. The Bothans may not have even gathered the information in the first place, and died in transporting the information to the Rebel alliance. The line only tells us there is some group known as Bothans and that many of them died somewhere in the process of the information being gathered and getting to the Rebel alliance. 
Weequay don't just do "one thing," they have a variety of roles in canon. Jawas we only see characters interact with the scavengers for various reason, that doesn't mean there aren't Jawa settlements with farmers, teachers, etc. 
The "defining cool thing" being a profession isn't even that defining. Trandoshans, Rodians, and Gand were all "skilled hunters" in the old canon, and Kubaz were also "spies." It also lessen the accomplishments of any of the members in that given profession. Han Solo is no longer a skilled pilot, he's an average Correllian for instance. It's just lazy writing. Honestly, any single species SHOULD blend into the galaxy at large unless it has some defining aesthetic differences. 

Edited August 4 by Caimheul1313

[Caimheul1313 2,990]

4 hours ago, arnoldrew said:

Edge of the Empire was coming out right around the time they were wiping the slate clean, and they delayed the release of non-English versions of the core book so they could take the Bothan species out of it.

Not that the specific book matters much, but for some reason I thought it was Age of Rebellion.  I'm not sure if they were also removed from English reprints... (if FFG ever got around to printing those).

[arnoldrew 1,713]

15 minutes ago, Caimheul1313 said:

Not that the specific book matters much, but for some reason I thought it was Age of Rebellion.  I'm not sure if they were also removed from English reprints... (if FFG ever got around to printing those).

I just bought a copy of EotE about 3 weeks ago and they are still in it.

[lunitic501 302]

9 hours ago, Nithorian said:

It isn't really about how it logically fits into the universe. Look at the Trandoshans, in a space age society what good is a race of pure hunters, that only sell their sentient captures into a Galaxy that outlawed Slavery, it is quite a dumb economic model. But with the Scorekeeper, and their rivalry with the wookies it at least gave them a sense of culture within the narrative of star wars at large. The same is true for a lot of species in star wars that only do one thing, like Jawas or Weequay. Without defining that cool thing that that species is well known for, you are dependant entirely on two things, the aesthetic design of the species and if any named famous characters were one, to make them stand out in the mess of noise that is all the different aliens in star wars.

Theres a difference between defining a species/race based off of 1 thing that we have seen 1 member of said species be really good at (a.k.a a stereotypeing) and that species actually having a well defined culture

[Caimheul1313 2,990]

2 minutes ago, arnoldrew said:

I just bought a copy of EotE about 3 weeks ago and they are still in it.

Hmm, the removal I can find mentions the German copy of the Age of Rebellion book, which was printed by a different manufacturer (Ulisses Spiele) than previous books. Not sure if Edge was similarly affected in Germany. 
Either way, weird they were removed from one version, but not other reprints. I almost wonder if had something to do with the different publisher...

 

[pbeccas 29]

Where’s the love for old man Ben Kenobi?

I would like to see a farm boy Luke as a character.  Pre Jedi powers.

Imperial naval troopers and Tarkin would be awesome.

Ewok horde army would be amazing.

And finally, Lando and his Bespin guards.  What’s not like?

[Jake the Hutt 145]

When they say "A deep cut that no one has guessed",  I wonder how aware they are of what people guess? because at this point I think pretty much everything that could be guessed has been at some point since Legion launched. It wouldn't surprise me at all if this "deep cut" ends up being something that has been requested many times. 


 

[ScummyRebel 5,346]

1 hour ago, Jake the Hutt said:

When they say "A deep cut that no one has guessed",  I wonder how aware they are of what people guess? because at this point I think pretty much everything that could be guessed has been at some point since Legion launched. It wouldn't surprise me at all if this "deep cut" ends up being something that has been requested many times. 


 

Assault gunboat terrain piece to make the xwing players cry that they don’t have a 2.0 reprint yet.

[buckero0 1,956]

4 hours ago, pbeccas said:

Where’s the love for old man Ben Kenobi?

I would like to see a farm boy Luke as a character.  Pre Jedi powers.

Imperial naval troopers and Tarkin would be awesome.

Ewok horde army would be amazing.

And finally, Lando and his Bespin guards.  What’s not like?

Pre jedi Luke should be a pilot upgrade for the x34 landspeeder

[Caimheul1313 2,990]

2 hours ago, buckero0 said:

Pre jedi Luke should be a pilot upgrade for the x34 landspeeder

Arguably, Luke could/should be a pilot upgrade for the Airspeeder as well. 

[buckero0 1,956]

54 minutes ago, Caimheul1313 said:

Arguably, Luke could/should be a pilot upgrade for the Airspeeder as well. 

anything that upgrades or makes these more playable

If he lets them shoot twice, I'd think about taking him, just as a serious but quickly dealt with threat.

Edited August 5 by buckero0

[Caimheul1313 2,990]

3 minutes ago, buckero0 said:

anything that upgrades or makes these more playable

Release yet another Luke Skywalker model (this time in a flight suit), that comes with an upgrade for the Airspeeder. The model only enters play after the Airspeeder is destroyed :-P. 

Edited August 5 by Caimheul1313

[Lochlan 1,034]

T-16 with Luke pilot card for any repulsor vehicle confirmed.

[Caimheul1313 2,990]

4 minutes ago, Lochlan said:

T-16 with Luke pilot card for any repulsor vehicle confirmed.

I mean... that does meet the criteria of "a unit no one expected for Legion but is canon."

[Lochlan 1,034]

Just now, Caimheul1313 said:

I mean... that does meet the criteria of "a unit no one expected for Legion but is canon."

I do think it's actually possible, but I don't think it's the thing Eddy was referring to in the stream, since he stressed that whatever it is is actually canon and that they "didn't make it up".  So I expect it will be something that a lot of people aren't familiar with/aware of.

[Caimheul1313 2,990]

Just now, Lochlan said:

I do think it's actually possible, but I don't think it's the thing Eddy was referring to in the stream, since he stressed that whatever it is is actually canon and that they "didn't make it up".  So I expect it will be something that a lot of people aren't familiar with/aware of.

Fair enough. I mean, we'll see whenever FFG gets around to previewing it. 
I expect a mix of disappointment and confused "What/Who?" being the reaction to whatever is being referenced. 

[Alan Noir 426]

11 hours ago, Jake the Hutt said:

When they say "A deep cut that no one has guessed",  I wonder how aware they are of what people guess? because at this point I think pretty much everything that could be guessed has been at some point since Legion launched. It wouldn't surprise me at all if this "deep cut" ends up being something that has been requested many times. 


 

Agree

5 hours ago, Lochlan said:

T-16 with Luke pilot card for any repulsor vehicle confirmed.

Called it already. I'd buy it.

 

What about these?

[UnitOmega 2,818]

Nah, if it has a hi-rez model like that it's not that obscure, and people have probably requested it. It's probably something from like the back-drop of a comic, like the rebel hovertanks or something.