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3 minutes ago, arnoldrew said:

I think people like Mon Mothma and Nute Gunray would be interesting Commanders with the Non-combatant keyword.

I was thinking something similar, but I'm not sure how that would work unless they aren't capable of doing objectives. Maybe something like K2 where they become attackable if they try to score an objective. Or maybe they have to be added into a unit as the leader, and it is a way of getting an extra core on the board because it is technically in the commander slot.

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4 minutes ago, Nithorian said:

I was thinking something similar, but I'm not sure how that would work unless they aren't capable of doing objectives. Maybe something like K2 where they become attackable if they try to score an objective. Or maybe they have to be added into a unit as the leader, and it is a way of getting an extra core on the board because it is technically in the commander slot.

Why wouldn't they be able to score an objective? You seem to be thinking a unit with Non-combatant can't be shot? They definitely can.

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11 minutes ago, arnoldrew said:

Why wouldn't they be able to score an objective? You seem to be thinking a unit with Non-combatant can't be shot? They definitely can.

But without being in a unit that none combatant key word doesn't do anything. The idea is they have to be the last one to die before the leader, what good is that on a single model unit? Making it so it can't attack? Couldn't the same thing be accomplished by simply not giving it any weapon options at range or in melee?

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32 minutes ago, Nithorian said:

Well Mara Jade is in a weird state, the only hint to her being canon is some aurebesh on a wall at Galaxy's Edge saying, "Mara Jade lives". Galaxy's Edge is supposed to be canon and a piece of the star wars universe you can visit, so the aurebesh should in theory exist somewhere within canon as well.

It also gives the Empire another force user, we weren't expecting. But I think the likely answer is a unit over a character, like Imperial Shock Troopers or perhaps some of the units from the old force unleashed games.

 

24 minutes ago, Caimheul1313 said:

Honestly, there's not a lot that I know of that was folded back in quietly. Almost every time something from the old EU is brought back in, there's some article on a fan page talking about it. So it would almost have to be some one panel partial glimpse that for some reason wasn't analyzed to death.
The only thing that I can think of is the Rebel T2-B repulsor tank, but that's been guessed at before. It could also be that some people don't think even the more recent video games are canon... Hard to say from that comment, and in my tenure on these boards I've seen people throw out some really wacky guesses as what could be added to Legion, even before this announcement. Honestly many of the units from the Star Wars Commander mobile game would be possible to fill that list. It isn't one of the more commonly known canon games, and has a number of units in it. Phase 2 Dark troopers are even canon again due to that game. Legion has pulled from it before (AT-RT, Wookie Warriors) so that's not out of the question. 
The list is on the Wookieepedia entry for units in the game is... interesting https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Commander especially some of the light vehicles which look goofy.

Personally, I wouldn't mind getting Bantha riders, just because then it would be easier to convince my wife to play :-P. 

Unlike with the characters, we don't have any other new upgrade cards to use as any sort of indicators. The Viper Probe Droid guess is based on the introduction of Observation tokens, which would be a mechanic well suited for that unit as well, but since it isn't an upgrade card, it isn't as "vital" for it to be released right away. 

Putting on my tin foil conspiracy theory hat for a moment, the announced CW releases are currently lacking a Special Forces unit if we compare them to the GCW list. Since the GCW releases have mostly matched up with the Force Org slot the CW releases have filled (which makes sense for them to have similar upgrade slots) then GCW isn't likely to get a vehicle, since that would mean CW should also get a vehicle (or the vehicles would have no new vehicle specific upgrade cards).
So Phase 2 Dark Troopers are in the running for Empire, and maybe Rebel Vanguard?

My money is on something from Dark Forces or Force Unleashed. Didnt know Darktroopers were canon...

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1 minute ago, Alan Noir said:

 

My money is on something from Dark Forces or Force Unleashed. Didnt know Darktroopers were canon...

Dark Forces and Force Unleashed are no longer canon though, so it would have to be something re-used. Phase 2 dark troopers only are due to 2014 mobile game that uses them. 

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Just now, Caimheul1313 said:

Dark Forces and Force Unleashed are no longer canon though, so it would have to be something re-used. Phase 2 dark troopers only are due to 2014 mobile game that uses them. 

The incinerator trooper was also in the last episode of the Mandalorian and he is from the force unleashed. So these older Imperial units are slowly dripping back into canon.

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9 minutes ago, Nithorian said:

But without being in a unit that none combatant key word doesn't do anything. The idea is they have to be the last one to die before the leader, what good is that on a single model unit?

The main point of Non-combatant is that they can't attack, which I'm realizing now could just be done by not giving them any weapons. The keyword also specifically talks about it being a keyword on an upgrade that adds a mini to a unit. Basically, it would have to be reworked or they could just not use it.

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4 minutes ago, arnoldrew said:

The main point of Non-combatant is that they can't attack, which I'm realizing now could just be done by not giving them any weapons. The keyword also specifically talks about it being a keyword on an upgrade that adds a mini to a unit. Basically, it would have to be reworked or they could just not use it.

Haha, yeah on the same wave length, I added the same thing to the post after thinking of it just before your reply. I certainly think should they have some kind of protection to stop them from being attacked, maybe a built in esteemed leader that works on more than just corp units?

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Just now, Nithorian said:

Haha, yeah on the same wave length, I added the same thing to the post after thinking of it just before your reply. I certainly think they have some kind of protection to stop them from being attacked, maybe a built in esteemed leader that works on more than just core units?

Ooh, I like that idea.

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6 minutes ago, arnoldrew said:

We already have all the rules for that as far as I'm aware.

We have it with Obi-Wan because of his soresu mastery + guardian. I'm not sure we've ever had a situation where Luke or Dooku can take someone else's wounds, it would sort of cheapen Obi-Wan's Soresu Mastery if Nute or Mon Mothma can effectively give it to all the Jedi/Sith in their faction.

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3 minutes ago, Nithorian said:

We have it with Obi-Wan because of his soresu mastery + guardian. I'm not sure we've ever had a situation where Luke or Dooku can take someone else's wounds, it would sort of cheapen Obi-Wan's Soresu Mastery if Nute or Mon Mothma can effectively give it to all the Jedi/Sith in their faction.

They could not spend a Dodge or use Deflect since they don't have Soresu Mastery. I'm not sure what the question is?

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1 hour ago, Nithorian said:

We have it with Obi-Wan because of his soresu mastery + guardian. I'm not sure we've ever had a situation where Luke or Dooku can take someone else's wounds, it would sort of cheapen Obi-Wan's Soresu Mastery if Nute or Mon Mothma can effectively give it to all the Jedi/Sith in their faction.

Luke and vader would br abke to deflect back while they used the Guardian keyword because they dont have soresu master they only uave deflect

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3 hours ago, Caimheul1313 said:

Dark Forces and Force Unleashed are no longer canon though, so it would have to be something re-used. Phase 2 dark troopers only are due to 2014 mobile game that uses them. 

 

3 hours ago, Nithorian said:

The incinerator trooper was also in the last episode of the Mandalorian and he is from the force unleashed. So these older Imperial units are slowly dripping back into canon.

That's what I meant. Sneaky re-cannon

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3 hours ago, Nithorian said:

The incinerator trooper was also in the last episode of the Mandalorian and he is from the force unleashed. So these older Imperial units are slowly dripping back into canon.

Yes, as the need arises for a similar unit, why come up with something new, when they can just add something back in from the EU. But I don't think we'll see any stormtroopers carrying Ysalamir on nutrient backpacks anytime soon, so I doubt literally everything will come back. 

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On 8/1/2020 at 9:21 PM, Caimheul1313 said:

Doubtful on Bothans, Disney has been keeping them under wraps, going so far as to require FFG to pull them from the RPG if I recall correctly. 

Say what? Seriously? If true, why? #ManyBothansDied

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5 minutes ago, FastWalker said:

Say what? Seriously? If true, why? #ManyBothansDied

They don't want to commit to what/who the Bothans are yet. It seems they are leaving it open for future storytelling. Pablo Hidalgo said in a tweet that current canon does not even state if they are a group or a species.

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8 minutes ago, FastWalker said:

Say what? Seriously? If true, why? #ManyBothansDied

So building on what arnoldrew stated, the other thing Disney/Lucasfilm has been moving away from is species conforming to the early stereotypes. So the old "Bothans are spies, special forces, and manipulative politicians" as well as the rest of the depiction of the species is what was made non-canon, as opposed to the existence of "Bothans." 

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3 hours ago, Caimheul1313 said:

So building on what arnoldrew stated, the other thing Disney/Lucasfilm has been moving away from is species conforming to the early stereotypes. So the old "Bothans are spies, special forces, and manipulative politicians" as well as the rest of the depiction of the species is what was made non-canon, as opposed to the existence of "Bothans." 

It is such a weird stances to take. In a Galaxy as big as star wars, giving a species a culture is not a bad thing. There can be characters that break that mold, but for them to stand out among all the noise they really should have some idea of what each species does and what they are good at. Which they already have, EU and canon wookies are the same, with the exception of maybe the rules on using their claws, but for the most part they are gentle giants with an animistic rage that can trigger, or how the Mon Calamari are all Republic supporting peace lovers with the ability to build large capital ships. There are so many more examples to draw from on this, it is easier to define a race behind their biggest contribution to the Galactic economy or, important events, than it is to just have a bunch of undefined aliens running about.

The dumb thing regarding the Bothans is, they have kept everything surrounding them except for the spies themselves. For example, Bothan Space and Bothawui are both still canon. Are these just areas of space full of spies? Why do they have a full system named after some Rebel Spies, that goes back to before the Clone Wars. In the case of Bothans, it is just easier to add them back in, nothing is gained from messing about with them. They can't delete what Mon Mothma said in Return of the Jedi, and they've embraced everything about the Bothan's except for the old physical description of them.

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4 hours ago, Caimheul1313 said:

So building on what arnoldrew stated, the other thing Disney/Lucasfilm has been moving away from is species conforming to the early stereotypes. So the old "Bothans are spies, special forces, and manipulative politicians" as well as the rest of the depiction of the species is what was made non-canon, as opposed to the existence of "Bothans." 

 

1 hour ago, Nithorian said:

It is such a weird stances to take. In a Galaxy as big as star wars, giving a species a culture is not a bad thing. There can be characters that break that mold, but for them to stand out among all the noise they really should have some idea of what each species does and what they are good at. Which they already have, EU and canon wookies are the same, with the exception of maybe the rules on using their claws, but for the most part they are gentle giants with an animistic rage that can trigger, or how the Mon Calamari are all Republic supporting peace lovers with the ability to build large capital ships. There are so many more examples to draw from on this, it is easier to define a race behind their biggest contribution to the Galactic economy or, important events, than it is to just have a bunch of undefined aliens running about.

Well that is interesting. I figure them running away from stereotypes is sort of a response to Lucas being super racist with a lot of stuff in TPM. Jar Jar, Nute, and Watto were just sooooo bad. Only real reason I can think of?

Of course the Clone Wars and Rebels made it clear that every race has a slight accent when they speak basic.

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