So, the next Star Wars animated series has been announced....

[T70 Driver 1,344]

Get ready for.....The Bad Batch. Clone Force 99 is getting its own series that takes place after the Clone Wars has ended but before Rebels coming on Disney+ in 2021. I saw this articlein my Yahoo news feed on my phone and can't link it but I'm sure if you Google it you can read the info for yourself. 

Edited July 13 by T70 Driver

[buckero0 1,956]

I wonder if/when Ahsoka makes an appearance?

I would have preferred (and maybe they will do this) if they followed Ezra, Thrawn, Obi-wan, Sabine/Hera, etc, but maybe they plan on incorporating all those characters into this. I wonder what they will follow as a template since these guys would have to be outcasts like Rex, Wolffe and Gregor.

 

[TauntaunScout 4,276]

I don’t think I will watch. I want more Luke Skywalker already, not yet more prequels material. 

[Atromix 362]

I'm hoping that they continue this with the same art style/voice actors as the Clone Wars. I wasn't the biggest fan of the Bad batch as a concept, but I'll watch anything to do with the CW series. I just hope they don't overly sanitise the action/drama/artstyle like in Rebels.

[Memorare 206]

It better have Nute Gunray in it. 

Better yet, Nute Gunray should get his own series.

[Darth Sanguis 6,327]

Not surprised at all. As I was watching the last clone wars season the bad batch characters seemed to be designed for serialization. I'll reserve judgement though until the series is released. I was skeptical about rebels when it first launched and it ended up having most of my favorite moments of Disney era Star Wars.

[Caimheul1313 2,990]

So the question is, did the Bad Batch just not have the control chip installed, or did they disable them? I assume the show will cover that at some point, I could see that covered in the first episode or so, taking place before Order 66, but then the rest of the episode takes place after the end of the Clone Wars.

[buckero0 1,956]

19 minutes ago, Caimheul1313 said:

So the question is, did the Bad Batch just not have the control chip installed, or did they disable them? I assume the show will cover that at some point, I could see that covered in the first episode or so, taking place before Order 66, but then the rest of the episode takes place after the end of the Clone Wars.

Genetic malfunction, their chip worked, it just didn't work on them.

😁

honestly, they'll probably say they didn't bother installing them in genetic misfits

Edited July 14 by buckero0

[Caimheul1313 2,990]

1 hour ago, buckero0 said:

Genetic malfunction, their chip worked, it just didn't work on them.

😁

honestly, they'll probably say they didn't bother installing them in genetic misfits

Either is possible. Or just the "Will of the Force" 😛 time will tell, regardless, looking forward to more Star Wars cartoons.

[KarlVonCarstein 106]

2 hours ago, Caimheul1313 said:

Either is possible. Or just the "Will of the Force" 😛 time will tell, regardless, looking forward to more Star Wars cartoons.

Or maby it worked perfectly, but they were off on a mission and either didn't get the message at all or got it and there weren't any jedi around so they just carried on with their mission.

[Caimheul1313 2,990]

1 hour ago, KarlVonCarstein said:

Or maby it worked perfectly, but they were off on a mission and either didn't get the message at all or got it and there weren't any jedi around so they just carried on with their mission.

It is notable that the demeanor of the Clones changes after Order 66 is executed. As part of the programming, Order 66 is prioritized over everything else, including existing missions. It isn't just executing Jedi, it's basically a complete brainwashing. Clones receiving the order address Palpatine as "Lord Sidious."

There are any number of explanations, and time will tell.

[ScummyRebel 5,346]

23 hours ago, Caimheul1313 said:

So the question is, did the Bad Batch just not have the control chip installed, or did they disable them? I assume the show will cover that at some point, I could see that covered in the first episode or so, taking place before Order 66, but then the rest of the episode takes place after the end of the Clone Wars.

Maybe they didn’t disable them at all, and it worked as planned? Could be an interesting way to show the post-66 clones dealing with the fallout. I imagine that the chips would deactivate around the time that the clones were being phased out for storms, which seems to have happened at some point and would make for an interesting storyline for picking up pieces and moving on in life.

Knowing Disney, however, it’ll just be hand wavy “never got chips and/or disabled them” because they don’t want their heroes being villains even for a short time (I’m amazed they had Rex go the way he did, even if that briefly).

[Caimheul1313 2,990]

1 hour ago, ScummyRebel said:

Maybe they didn’t disable them at all, and it worked as planned? Could be an interesting way to show the post-66 clones dealing with the fallout. I imagine that the chips would deactivate around the time that the clones were being phased out for storms, which seems to have happened at some point and would make for an interesting storyline for picking up pieces and moving on in life.

Knowing Disney, however, it’ll just be hand wavy “never got chips and/or disabled them” because they don’t want their heroes being villains even for a short time (I’m amazed they had Rex go the way he did, even if that briefly).

Have we been shown any clones with deactivated chips in canon up to this point? I know some Clones who were from a later batch and had unactivated chips were shown in one of the comics, but I don't know if we have seen any Clones whose chips were activated (and not removed).

We also see the same/similar chips installed in Wookies, but those ones are used a bit differently, just causing pain. The chips used for the attack on Chandrilla are also indicated as being specifically planned to degrade, to prevent the New Republic from studying them. I don't see a particular reason why the clone chips should have been designed to degrade honestly, nor do I know we are ever told what happens to clones who are "retired." In fact, the one malfunction we do see in the Clone Wars cartoon (Tup) indicates that it is possible the chip is supposed to "stay" active once triggered. 

[KiraYamatoSF 866]

14 hours ago, Caimheul1313 said:

Have we been shown any clones with deactivated chips in canon up to this point? I know some Clones who were from a later batch and had unactivated chips were shown in one of the comics, but I don't know if we have seen any Clones whose chips were activated (and not removed).

We also see the same/similar chips installed in Wookies, but those ones are used a bit differently, just causing pain. The chips used for the attack on Chandrilla are also indicated as being specifically planned to degrade, to prevent the New Republic from studying them. I don't see a particular reason why the clone chips should have been designed to degrade honestly, nor do I know we are ever told what happens to clones who are "retired." In fact, the one malfunction we do see in the Clone Wars cartoon (Tup) indicates that it is possible the chip is supposed to "stay" active once triggered. 

From Rebels we see Rex, Gregor, and Wolfe. Both Gregor and Wolfe have some problems with Gregor usually being a bit eccentric and acts like he lost his marbles at times. Wolfe off the bat seems to have PTSD when he realizes Ezra and Kaman are Jedi. He tries to attack them on sight if memory serves but Rex calms him down. Doesn't stop him from calling Imperial Networks about Rebel forces in the area. Considering he does warm up and fight alongside them I think it's safe to assume his chip got removed at some point or died out, but the memories and feelings he had came back when he saw Jedi again.

Other sources like you mentioned like in comics show some clones experiencing remorse and possible doubt after they executed their Jedi, like the clones who served under Kanan's master. It could be a part due to lingering feelings and doubts that clones got replaced, among many other reasons.

[CT-Vizsla 0]

I imagine this series will have plenty of cameos and I think it'll create some interesting storytelling for a post order 66 galaxy, will definitely be watching it

[Caimheul1313 2,990]

@KiraYamatoSF We are told by Rex as Kanan talks about Order 66 that Rex, Wolffe, and Gregor all had their chips removed. So that's not quite what I meant. My question is specifically about clones who didn't have their chips removed, and instead had them in their entire lives. Again, we might see that from Bad Batch, hard to know exactly what they are going to do, which was part of the point of ditching the old EU.

[Jabby 1,042]

On 7/14/2020 at 10:42 PM, Caimheul1313 said:

It is notable that the demeanor of the Clones changes after Order 66 is executed. As part of the programming, Order 66 is prioritized over everything else, including existing missions. It isn't just executing Jedi, it's basically a complete brainwashing. Clones receiving the order address Palpatine as "Lord Sidious."

Which is something I personally disliked. I mean to be honest, i dislike most of the new lore for order 66 and preferred when it was simply "well these are our orders, it sucks but lets get to it" cause it gave a lot more space to have clones disobeying the order and it also showed how much the clones were loyal to the republic

[buckero0 1,956]

Yeah but the Jedi weren't exactly loyal to the republic either. The whole system was corrupt and needed to be blown up. 

I wonder if they'll show what the clone response is to being replaced by stormtroopers.

[Caimheul1313 2,990]

9 hours ago, Jabby said:

Which is something I personally disliked. I mean to be honest, i dislike most of the new lore for order 66 and preferred when it was simply "well these are our orders, it sucks but lets get to it" cause it gave a lot more space to have clones disobeying the order and it also showed how much the clones were loyal to the republic

Yes, but the Clone Wars cartoon shows how close many/most of the clones got to their Jedi commanders, especially the Clone Captains. A ton more Jedi should have survived without the control chip, with help from still loyal clones. Heck, the Galactic Civil War could practically have started right then. Given the interactions between Cody and Obi-wan in the Clone Wars it is a harder sell that Cody would just open fire than if you are only watching the movies. 

Even without the actual biochip, we see the clones being "programmed" in their training, so even the initial explanation was brainwashing really. By explaining it with a physical biochip, it is easier to show why very few didn't follow the order (chip damaged by a head wound, removed surgically, etc) as opposed to "this clone who is (supposedly) identical to every other clone overcame the brainwashing, but no other clones." Undoing brainwashing isn't usually depicted as a quick process, unlike Star Wars brain surgery, so is less useful from a narrative perspective for scenes like Rex having his chip removed.

Additionally a biochip explains nicely why the Jedi had barely any warning before being gunned down. A large number of clones suddenly having an internal debate about their orders would have given them more warning than the clones' emotions shutting off and shooting them off hand. 

6 hours ago, buckero0 said:

I wonder if they'll show what the clone response is to being replaced by stormtroopers.

We already see some of the response from Rex, Wolfe, and Gregor in Rebels. Honestly, that could have been handled by one of the other contingency orders in the biochip. For a while at least, I believe some of the clones in canon served in the Inquisition. 

Edited July 19 by Caimheul1313

[TauntaunScout 4,276]

I hated order 66(6). Lucas used up his subtlety in the OT. 

[buckero0 1,956]

1 hour ago, TauntaunScout said:

I hated order 66(6). Lucas used up his subtlety in the OT. 

Or someone put in subtlety for him in the original trilogy. I think he had a lot of help with the directing/screenwriting part of it the first time around. Lucas' true strength was collecting talented FX people and pushing the barrier of effects. Directimg and screenwiting were always a chore to him

[TauntaunScout 4,276]

11 hours ago, buckero0 said:

Or someone put in subtlety for him in the original trilogy. I think he had a lot of help with the directing/screenwriting part of it the first time around. Lucas' true strength was collecting talented FX people and pushing the barrier of effects. Directimg and screenwiting were always a chore to him

 

 Nothing irritates me quite like people saying he’s so amazing because he imagined all this amazing stuff. As if he just came up with it alone. Most of it evolved over many discussions with other people. And ultimately these things as we came to know them such as Darth Vader, came out of Ralph MacQuarrie’s mind. 

Edited July 20 by TauntaunScout