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Iden, and the Empire in general, did not over perform in Invader League. I believe all of the Empire lists are now out at the round of 16. If something was truly as overpowered as many here are saying, she would have had a much stronger showing than she did. Her repeater, while having a strong dice pool, lacks pierce and does not do good damage shooting into cover 2 which is really important in today's game. Her sniper is also not reconfigurable which hurts when it's on a 140+ unit. She's good but currently lacks synergy with her army which is important, and Bossk is honestly better at the operative role she is trying to fill right now. His surge to crit, better gun for the meta, and bounty are big boons for him right now. I have a strong feeling though that once Inferno squad is out she'll really hit her stride. It feels kind of like playing Cassian without K2 right now.

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2 minutes ago, SnooSnarry said:

Iden, and the Empire in general, did not over perform in Invader League. I believe all of the Empire lists are now out at the round of 16. If something was truly as overpowered as many here are saying, she would have had a much stronger showing than she did. Her repeater, while having a strong dice pool, lacks pierce and does not do good damage shooting into cover 2 which is really important in today's game. Her sniper is also not reconfigurable which hurts when it's on a 140+ unit. She's good but currently lacks synergy with her army which is important, and Bossk is honestly better at the operative role she is trying to fill right now. His surge to crit, better gun for the meta, and bounty are big boons for him right now. I have a strong feeling though that once Inferno squad is out she'll really hit her stride. It feels like of like playing Cassian without K2 right now.

Or the better players didn't play imps.....

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17 minutes ago, Tirion said:

Or the better players didn't play imps.....

Which means you could say that the top players chose other factions for a reason. Data suggests that Iden is good but not overpowered and other factions currently bring things that are just as good if not better. 

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10 minutes ago, SnooSnarry said:

Which means you could say that the top players chose other factions for a reason. Data suggests that Iden is good but not overpowered and other factions currently bring things that are just as good if not better. 

Yeah that reason could be they like clones. I'm not debating your point at all. Just the never ending circle of what is actually good in a competitive environment.

Is it the best list or unit or is it a good list or unit in a sea of them, but since the best players have chosen (or WAY too often in legion group think has decided) to play a certain thing it is perceived as the best. 

And conversely are things underrepresented bad or just simply underrepresented? Or things that may not perform well could they have a better showing if a higher tiered player had taken them? I can't answer those questions but think far to often answers are assumed for those questions.

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Having just lost a game to being nuked by Iden's Tactical Strike on Death Troopers, I'm doubling down that its absurd she made it through play testing. Tactical strike all but assures 100% on the attack pools. That seems...well...the forum censors the word I want to use.

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11 hours ago, Memorare said:

Having just lost a game to being nuked by Iden's Tactical Strike on Death Troopers, ... Tactical strike all but assures 100% on the attack pools. 

Which guns were the Death Troopers using?  Who were you playing with?

Just curious. Several months ago when she was spoiled, I played a few games against her, and found Marksman to be really good on her with Veers or anyone else that can give her aims. Its not unseen to have all 5 dice hit or at least have 3 crits. If you get roped into a range one attack, her droid's weapon can obliterate you as well.

 

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1 hour ago, Memorare said:

I play CIS. Double the fall fell hard. 

Her 5 dice gun will generate 5 hits (on average) with tactical strike, and the DeathTroopers. Full squad+Dlt.

 

Remeber, the AAT is your friend (If you have one). Also, things will improve for CIS dramatically once Cad is released. He is going to be such a swiss army knife, that it won't be funny.

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7 hours ago, Mokoshkana said:

Remeber, the AAT is your friend (If you have one). Also, things will improve for CIS dramatically once Cad is released. He is going to be such a swiss army knife, that it won't be funny.

Why is that ? Did i miss where it says i can take Bane as a commander?

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26 minutes ago, Darth evil said:

Why is that ? Did i miss where it says i can take Bane as a commander?

Because he effectively has infiltrate, and  he can drop a crazy good mine token as well as a decoy before the game begins by divulging his 3-pip. He can effectively start his first turn (or second if the opponent does not reveal him) within range one of your enemies deployment zone. He’s going to be money in recover the supplies, hostage, and sabotage the moisture vapes. 

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47 minutes ago, arnoldrew said:

Why would he have to be a Commander to be useful?

To have a commander that doesn't cost 1/4 of your army, something CIS players have been wanting for a long time.

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18 minutes ago, Thraug said:

To have a commander that doesn't cost 1/4 of your army, something CIS players have been wanting for a long time.

Grievous actually costs 7/32 or the army at stock, so we already have a commander who doesn't cost 1/4. 😉

Seriously though, that issue doesn't matter in the context of Cad Bane's ability to be huge for CIS. I didn't even mention bounty above. This is a character who is well suited to kill R2 or Padme, this causing a potential 2 VP swing (-1 for them and +1 for Cad). Dude is going to be money.

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30 minutes ago, Thraug said:

To have a commander that doesn't cost 1/4 of your army, something CIS players have been wanting for a long time.

So he's worthless if he's not a Commander that takes less than 1/4 of your army?

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Cad Bane does look amazing, but the issue is really limited options that the CIS have when building an army. Will that hurt him in tournament play???? No idea. Throw in Darth Maul which will really make that operative spot competitive and I would not be surprised if he struggles a bit despite how good he looks.

Now commando droids will help since you can use the sniper teams as cheap filler. Hopefully they just give us a specialist pack so that we get a support CIS commander. Really give the CIS options when building an army............. I mean something has to be coming if they are doing operative Maul?

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13 minutes ago, shuntley said:

but operative maul gives CIS the ability to be the only faction that can field 3 saber wielders at once and i for one cannot wait to do that

Dang I hadnt even thought of that...

My Jedi loving republic playing friend will be so jealous!

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2 hours ago, RyantheFett said:

Cad Bane does look amazing, but the issue is really limited options that the CIS have when building an army. Will that hurt him in tournament play???? No idea. Throw in Darth Maul which will really make that operative spot competitive and I would not be surprised if he struggles a bit despite how good he looks.

Now commando droids will help since you can use the sniper teams as cheap filler. Hopefully they just give us a specialist pack so that we get a support CIS commander. Really give the CIS options when building an army............. I mean something has to be coming if they are doing operative Maul?

Gar had even less options with the overlap of p1 and p2 clones

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I recently played a game against Iden and IMO she isn't overpowered at all. Maybe my opponent wasn't using her right or something but she seemed pretty easy to just ignore. Along with Rex she's the only commander/opperative without pierce and that hurts so much. It made her attacks fall short more often than they did a lot of damage. Some of her command cards are super powerful yes like Tactical Strike but Pulse scan seemed a bit underwhelming as a 1 pip card and her 2 pip missed entirely in the game I played (got an amazing roll on Rex) but even if it had hit it wouldn't do much and it's underwhelming too.  her attack itself isn't even much of anything special for a 100+ point unit. I think she's priced perfectly and any more and I'd never use her. Where she's at, she's a solid unit that will be used a lot but isn't overpowered and definitely won't make empire too good.

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Did I miss where they announced Darth maul as a CIS operative? Did I also miss where, in the lore, Darth Maul was with the CIS in any appreciable way?

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3 minutes ago, kenngp said:

Did I miss where they announced Darth maul as a CIS operative? Did I also miss where, in the lore, Darth Maul was with the CIS in any appreciable way?

He has not been officially announced, but there have been (somewhat substantiated) rumors floating around for a while.  As for him being in CIS...yeah, that never happened.  But people want him, and Disney knows he will sell, so here we are/will be.

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OK, that's what I thought. From what I remember, he actually fought the CIS, or rather they fought him. Anything to make a buck I guess. Too bad they don't save him for a X-Wing Scum-esque faction. All hail the Mouse of greed!

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