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22 minutes ago, KarlVonCarstein said:

Where are you getting this idea? I'm looking at the vital assets refrence right now and it says that the 16 cards supplied in this pack make up the supply deck. There is no picking which cards you want to be in the deck.

He's not talking about the Supply Deck, he's talking about Battle cards. Read the first sentence as well as the rest.

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31 minutes ago, KarlVonCarstein said:

Where are you getting this idea? I'm looking at the vital assets refrence right now and it says that the 16 cards supplied in this pack make up the supply deck. There is no picking which cards you want to be in the deck.

As @arnoldrew said, I'm not talking about the supply cards, but the "battle deck" which consists of 12 cards for each army for organized play at least: 4 Objectives, 4 Deployments, and 4 Battlefield Conditions. 

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1 hour ago, Darth 2Face said:

That's what we do. I was referring to earlier post that suggested that Blue player should pull from their Supply Deck and Red player should pull from their own Supply Deck.

Ah, apologies, I got myself confused because I was earlier talked about using a single damage deck for X-Wing/Armada. As far as I know from reading the card, only a single supply deck is intended.

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that's all I was saying. The models are nice, but unnecessary. The cards (objective, deployment, etc) would have been nice to have 2 sets, especially since I like to have all the cards available for each faction and I store each faction in a different bag.

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On 6/12/2020 at 10:56 PM, buckero0 said:

that's all I was saying. The models are nice, but unnecessary. The cards (objective, deployment, etc) would have been nice to have 2 sets, especially since I like to have all the cards available for each faction and I store each faction in a different bag.

That would likely result in selling significantly fewer boxes between people splitting the cards and secondary market sales of the extra cards.

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On 6/11/2020 at 8:45 AM, NetCop said:

You only need one Vital Assets unless you both are going to play in tournaments then you could need two.

Why would you need two for a tournament?  Both players use the same supply deck. 

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29 minutes ago, Zrob314 said:

Why would you need two for a tournament?  Both players use the same supply deck. 

In tournaments it sometimes happens that you don't play against the one person you came with so it helps if everybody has their own deck 😉

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10 hours ago, arnoldrew said:

The Battle cards. This thread is just going round and round and round.

I'm confused as to why you need two copies of the battle cards.
I mean, okay, you have a friend over to play and they make an army and you can both use these cards....
Which even then after you figured out who won the bid you're only using one copy of the cards.....

But please explain to me why you feel the need to bring two copies of any battle card to a tournament where you are presumably playing one army the whole time; because I am really not following you. 

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38 minutes ago, Zrob314 said:

I'm confused as to why you need two copies of the battle cards.
I mean, okay, you have a friend over to play and they make an army and you can both use these cards....
Which even then after you figured out who won the bid you're only using one copy of the cards.....

But please explain to me why you feel the need to bring two copies of any battle card to a tournament where you are presumably playing one army the whole time; because I am really not following you. 

If two people collectively own only one copy of Vital Assets and go to the same tournament, then they would each need their own copy of any Battle Cards they would want to use.  (The earlier situation was buying a single copy for two people to use to play together, would one copy be enough. Answer: Yes, unless both people want to use the same Battle Card(s) from Vital Assets in a tournament that they are both attending).

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14 hours ago, Zrob314 said:

I'm confused as to why you need two copies of the battle cards.
I mean, okay, you have a friend over to play and they make an army and you can both use these cards....
Which even then after you figured out who won the bid you're only using one copy of the cards.....

But please explain to me why you feel the need to bring two copies of any battle card to a tournament where you are presumably playing one army the whole time; because I am really not following you. 

Also I have 4 armies now, each with their own set of Command cards, unit cards, upgrade cards and battle cards. They are all kept in their own carrier because they don't make anything that I want to carry around that big. This has nothing to do with a tournament but just convenience and storage and set up speed.  As with all FFG games the real money maker is in cardboard and everything else is for fun.  I spend more time organizing and trying to store or collect cardboard with their games in general, than anything else.

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31 minutes ago, ScummyRebel said:

And look at that, they’re all out of stock again right away. Par for the course on Legion supply issues.

Not just Legion, really any miniature game that Asmodee distributes. Song of Ice and Fire have similar distribution issues.

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1 hour ago, Caimheul1313 said:

Not just Legion, really any miniature game that Asmodee distributes. Song of Ice and Fire have similar distribution issues.

I’ve never had a problem with xwing minis, aside from the LGS being a few days behind global release date.

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32 minutes ago, ScummyRebel said:

I’ve never had a problem with xwing minis, aside from the LGS being a few days behind global release date.

X-wing 1st edition was plagued with the same stock issues as Legion in my area (which is a near a rather major city). If you didn't have a preorder, it was likely you wouldn't be able to get it for a year. Especially if a given kit had a sought after card.

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22 hours ago, Caimheul1313 said:

If two people collectively own only one copy of Vital Assets and go to the same tournament, then they would each need their own copy of any Battle Cards they would want to use.  (The earlier situation was buying a single copy for two people to use to play together, would one copy be enough. Answer: Yes, unless both people want to use the same Battle Card(s) from Vital Assets in a tournament that they are both attending).

Okay, that makes sense, in effect you're having one set per player.  

 

However people who need multiple sets of the cards for a single player....that's just.....that's a little close to hoarding behavior, ya know. Does each of your armies have discreet collections of upgrade cards that you cannot cross pollinate? 

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1 hour ago, Zrob314 said:

Okay, that makes sense, in effect you're having one set per player.  

 

However people who need multiple sets of the cards for a single player....that's just.....that's a little close to hoarding behavior, ya know. Does each of your armies have discreet collections of upgrade cards that you cannot cross pollinate? 

While I am not in this camp, I can kind of understand the desire to have everything necessary for each army together with nothing in common. But personally I keep the "neutral" stuff (measuring devices, dice, tokens, battle cards, and custom order markers) in the duffel I use for transporting, and then swap out which army box is contained inside. 

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5 hours ago, Zrob314 said:

Okay, that makes sense, in effect you're having one set per player.  

 

However people who need multiple sets of the cards for a single player....that's just.....that's a little close to hoarding behavior, ya know. Does each of your armies have discreet collections of upgrade cards that you cannot cross pollinate? 

There's a significant amount of acquisition disorder/hoarding going on in the miniature wargame community. People routinely brag about it online. I get kinda bummed out about it sometimes.

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1 hour ago, arnoldrew said:

There's a significant amount of acquisition disorder/hoarding going on in the miniature wargame community. People routinely brag about it online. I get kinda bummed out about it sometimes.

This may be a thing for some people but literally has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. 

With a full time job and a large family and different sets if friends that like to play different games, there is literally not time to do what you're suggesting. In Xwing for example, i don't know how many times i wanted to play but thinking of the time it would take to unwrap everything and package it again after making a list, drive to wherever you're supposed to play and set up, it was impossible for me not to leave behind this upgrade card or damage deck or enough dice to play the game. Especially if my son was tagging along. There are even more bits and bobs and cards, etc and legion takes up way more space because of the number of models. If i dont have everything that army needs in one place, where i can grab and go. I don't get to play. And my commute is less than most. If i don't get out the door by 730 on a week night i don't go because setup time and gameplay time and commute take too long when you've got to work the next day

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@buckero0 Which is why my approach is to instead keep commonly shared items in a single bag, then swap out the army within. One of the advantages to magnetizing and using cake pans and plastic containers as army storage. For my armies in foam, I instead setup a separate small bag in a similar manner. Grab army, grab misc bag, and go. I've seen many people who keep all their unit and upgrade cards in an organized binder as part of their gaming go bag. 

Same problem, different solution. If that's what works best for you, okay, but that isn't the only solution.

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40 minutes ago, buckero0 said:

This may be a thing for some people but literally has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. 

With a full time job and a large family and different sets if friends that like to play different games, there is literally not time to do what you're suggesting. In Xwing for example, i don't know how many times i wanted to play but thinking of the time it would take to unwrap everything and package it again after making a list, drive to wherever you're supposed to play and set up, it was impossible for me not to leave behind this upgrade card or damage deck or enough dice to play the game. Especially if my son was tagging along. There are even more bits and bobs and cards, etc and legion takes up way more space because of the number of models. If i dont have everything that army needs in one place, where i can grab and go. I don't get to play. And my commute is less than most. If i don't get out the door by 730 on a week night i don't go because setup time and gameplay time and commute take too long when you've got to work the next day

I wasn't talking about you or anything you had to say and I'm sorry if I gave you that impression. What you are doing is not what I was talking about. There's no need for you to defend yourself and I understand why you do it. I used to have to bring my entire collection to X-Wing tournaments because literally every time I didn't I would forget something (usually the damage deck or shield tokens, one time I forgot the actual ship models).

P.S. The reality is that you were going to have to buy multiple Vital Assets even if they came with more cards, since you need the minis in order to use the cards and if your setup doesn't let you swap cards it's certainly not going to make swapping minis easy either.

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39 minutes ago, arnoldrew said:

I wasn't talking about you or anything you had to say and I'm sorry if I gave you that impression. What you are doing is not what I was talking about. There's no need for you to defend yourself and I understand why you do it. I used to have to bring my entire collection to X-Wing tournaments because literally every time I didn't I would forget something (usually the damage deck or shield tokens, one time I forgot the actual ship models).

P.S. The reality is that you were going to have to buy multiple Vital Assets even if they came with more cards, since you need the minis in order to use the cards and if your setup doesn't let you swap cards it's certainly not going to make swapping minis easy either.

Yeah, I've had times like that before as well (generally for casual games, I obsessively double check for the few tourneys I go to, so haven't had that happen for one of those yet). Which is why I settled on my current method for Legion as opposed to my Bolt Action approach (which is the same as your solution for X-wing). What works for everyone is a bit different, especially as we all have different circumstances.  

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Most of them besides the Bomb Cart one require a claim token which comes in the starter set, right?

Having access to a cheap way to get the cards would keep me from making copies (which is probably what I would do) I prefer the way they added cards with the Officers, specialists as opposed to the vital assets (twice as expensive). I thought they were going that way with the upgrade card packs that they released for Legion and X-wing.

I still feel like I'm going to end up getting 2 sets at least and I feel like most of it is a waste of space. The models are cool, but not enough that I'm going to want several sets of the models.

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