Lemmings to the Slaughter (mafia)

[ovinomanc3r 4,436]

OMG I was about to just say Hello there and leave to troll you all, lol.

Honestly I'm finishing the school year so I'm busy and my daily schedule seems to not match this game rythm to well but the the kind of RL excuse Gink doesn't like (Im imagining him splitting his apple juice over his breakfast and shouting out loud "how is this beneficial to town!" while reading this).

Back to the point

1. Sorry

2. I didn't vote Rav because I wasn't not sure that was the best move for town. My maths may be wrong but despite he wasn't active he wasn't town either. However I can see now the logic behind it. But with no NK the decision is about to be proven right yet.

3. Gink looks like Gink.

4. Pod looks like Pod.

5. Jabba doesn't look like Jabba.

6. Bertie looks like private lemming.

7. Forty's proposal looks scummy as **** but it wasn't his, actually.

8. I don't have strong readings, mostly cause until now everything turn around rav's lynch which was just something it had to be done (it seems). Only when finally you turn onto the inactive players you seem to start playing mafia. 

9. I need to ask Rav what he thinks we should to do. With no shepherd, the flock scatters.

[ovinomanc3r 4,436]

Following my crappy logic I'm gonna

##vote Ebon

He started a wagon that didn't bring me the head of a scum player.

Jabba was pretty vocal about that wagon though. His post looks like worried about having to support his vote later, while everybody else didn't care a shot about it. Hum...

##unvote Ebon

##vote Jabba

Ebon vote reads as the usual first vote you throw in, half joke half "what else I"m gonna do?"

CNinja protected himself behind the lemming shield which I forsee is gonna be a common place this game. I don't trust him either. The problem is that with Gink-Jabba affair I cannot read Jabba properly. He looks so out of his place that I cannot clear my suspicion cause I'm not sure he had a bad day or he wasn't sure how to deal to Gink peculiar pressure techniques.

[Ginkapo 9,320]

8 hours ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

That Pod’s troll-fu is epic

That isnt new information. 

8 hours ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

lmao

now I'm wondering if they're really just trolling Gink

I wasn't joking

7 hours ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Well, I'm convinced. Where's the cliff?

##vote ginkapo

Convinced of what? What is the case

7 hours ago, FortyInRed said:

Hey all I'm here. Agree Gink is sounding scummy. If we lynch him and we're wrong then Jabba next?

Nobody has said I sound scummy. Which posts has sounded scummy and why? Stand on you own two feet pls. 

7 hours ago, Lord Preyer said:

Ummm. Do you mean to try to line up kills like that? Question is: Slip or Tell?

Jabba did this on me D1. 

[The Jabbawookie 5,610]

1 hour ago, Ginkapo said:

Jabba did this on me D1. 

I've been, if not patient, pretty consistent on this.  Since half a year ago, in fact. 

A D1 no lynch sucks.  When you have an inactive player, it sucks a lot more.

 

When that inactive player will keep us at an even number of players next morning, and you choose not to go for a kill, that's scummy.

And I'm not surprised you've been unable to justify it, because there is no realistic circumstance in which it benefits town.

Here are your defenses, when pressed for them.

10 hours ago, Ginkapo said:

I dont support scum lead lynches

"no u"

9 hours ago, Ginkapo said:

Revearn would have been useful to town doublevoting you out of spite for the main forum thread. 

I'm town, and he's inactive.  And this is semi-circular logic, because the whole reason you think I'm scum is how hard I pushed the kill, but this is the reason the kill shouldn't have been pushed?  The kill that predictably almost failed?

 

So no, I didn't propose we set our next two day kills based on a false dichotomy.

I told you what you were doing was bad townplay, and now you're drawing shade for it.

I'm never going to know if you're scum until you flip, because your playstyle involves false equivalencies, deflection, and defiantly ineffective action around the deadline.

If that's what you call a town game, we work on a different wavelength.

If that's your scum game... I really respect the sheer chutzpah, tbh.

##vote Ginkapo

1 hour ago, Ginkapo said:

Nobody has said I sound scummy. Which posts has sounded scummy and why? Stand on you own two feet pls. 

Also this.  @FortyInRed you're gonna need to give us more detail and thought for reads.  If you're scared of getting skewered when you open your mouth... that's part of why you're getting skewered.  Grabbing onto drama and votes without much reasoning is what scum does.

@Madaghmire you've been quieter than anyone else here.  Thanks for saving our butts, but that town cred was only good for four hours of silence.

[Ginkapo 9,320]

11 hours ago, Ginkapo said:

You are arguing that killing a non participating third party is beneficial to town? 

@PodRacer this is just mean. Why am I here?

 

10 hours ago, Ginkapo said:

False.

What has the lynch of Revearn taught us? What was the case against him? Was anyone other than me making an attempt to scumhunt D1? Indeed has anyone made an attempt to scumhunt D2? 

What is the power of town? It is their vote. Town should make cases and apply pressure in order to force scum into errors. 

Fortunately Jabba and Bertie are so incompetent and are broadcasting their partnership quite clearly, otherwise we would be discussing what the point of D1 was. They tagteamed a meaningless case D1 and are now attempting to defend it. The case against Revearn is very simple, they feared what role Pod might have given him. That fear comes from their own roles as the only datapoint they had. 

This really is open and shot. Can we wrap it up by tomorrow lunchtime please, I'm not in the right frame of mind for mafia. 

He who hath intentional blindness

[The Jabbawookie 5,610]

6 minutes ago, Ginkapo said:

You are arguing that killing a non participating third party is beneficial to town? 

 

6 minutes ago, Ginkapo said:

False.

What has the lynch of Revearn taught us? What was the case against him? Was anyone other than me making an attempt to scumhunt D1? Indeed has anyone made an attempt to scumhunt D2? 

Again.  He was a threat by virtue of pushing our vote cap to 6, with an inactive and realistically 2 scum minimum.  And we know that you avoided killing him, which would have landed us there.  We wouldn’t have been harmed even if he were a triple doc, because he wasn’t going to help.

The action cost us nothing and we’re better off just in terms of numbers.  Or at least, we would have been if an NK had gone through, which we couldn’t  have known and is ultimately a good problem for us to have.

[Ginkapo 9,320]

The action cost us 5 hours of productive discussion and learning. 

[The Jabbawookie 5,610]

Just now, Ginkapo said:

The action cost us 5 hours of productive discussion and learning. 

I remember so many productive D1s.

The 5 hour ones where half the players weren’t there were always the best.

Also, we had almost the full allotment of time.  If you wasted it deciding to make a pretty non-controversial action controversial, those hours aren’t getting refunded.  I’ll admit I did too... but I’m not acting like it was real opportunity cost.

The opportunity cost is now, when this risks overwriting the rest of the game Ebon v Pod style. Given the choices you’ve made, flipping you is a good way to resolve that.

[ovinomanc3r 4,436]

20 minutes ago, The Jabbawookie said:

 

Again.  He was a threat by virtue of pushing our vote cap to 6, with an inactive and realistically 2 scum minimum.  And we know that you avoided killing him, which would have landed us there.  We wouldn’t have been harmed even if he were a triple doc, because he wasn’t going to help.

The action cost us nothing and we’re better off just in terms of numbers.  Or at least, we would have been if an NK had gone through, which we couldn’t  have known and is ultimately a good problem for us to have.

While your numbers seems right that is natural scum reasoning as they have better knowledge of the killing flow. For them is easier to solve that kind of situations as they know how many kill they may perform one given night.

As town I don't like lynch town. I do, cause sometimes is needed to unveil the truth but the case around Rav was easy. If he was scum he wasn't an immediate threat due to his inactivity. If he was town we could miss his votes but the truth is that scum would need also to drag more town to lynch themselves and they would be further from getting their default win-con. Yes, the more votes, the harder to get the lynch but that's something we may also use to hunt scum. That's your point against Gink. You could make that point tomorrow with one town player more anyways, despite he was useless.

He wasn't even town what makes his dead harmless somehow and that's the reason I don't care too much, but at the end, lynching him just put scum closer to their default win-con; they are closer to outnumber us. And what we get? We needs the same votes. Why? We don't know but as I said, scum are the guys who have got more insight of the killing flow, they likely manipulate it to control the game. They may do it during night through kills and during days through votes.

I advocated more than once for no-lynch to counter scum-play as town (and for no-kill as scum, let's be honest XD) or other lynching strategies but here I cannot see any advantage from lynching Rav right away instead of actual scumhunting. I am guilty cause I didn't contribute a **** but Gink and Ebon were the only two guys really playing town yesterday. Everyone else were playing scum or something else.

[CaribbeanNinja 6,207]

Look, I get what Pod was doing, and it is damned hilarious, but... I am a bit uncomfortable having a dude that didn't sign up just constantly be trolled by a mafia thread.  I was going to vote Reavern no matter what, because I was pretty sure that is the genesis of this whole thing.  That said, I can see the arguments that Gink and now Ovi are bringing up.  I however, still think it was going to happen.

Rereading, I still say Forty is where my vote needs to be.

I've been waiting to follow, and Ovi finally showed up.  Where in the **** is @Madaghmire.  Literally one post, to hammer Reavern.

[CaribbeanNinja 6,207]

damned ****

really?

[ovinomanc3r 4,436]

6 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

Look, I get what Pod was doing, and it is damned hilarious, but... I am a bit uncomfortable having a dude that didn't sign up just constantly be trolled by a mafia thread.  I was going to vote Reavern no matter what, because I was pretty sure that is the genesis of this whole thing.  That said, I can see the arguments that Gink and now Ovi are bringing up.  I however, still think it was going to happen.

It was going to happen. I don't doubt it. I'm curious that Jabba is the only guy around trying to justify the lynch due to in-game reasons.

[ovinomanc3r 4,436]

1 minute ago, ovinomanc3r said:

It was going to happen. I don't doubt it. I'm curious that Jabba is the only guy around trying to justify the lynch due to in-game reasons.

I think this is not right. It wouldn't work as "based on", would it?

I meant "based on" just in case I didn't write English properly XD

[CaribbeanNinja 6,207]

On 5/27/2020 at 3:39 PM, The Jabbawookie said:

Actually, though...

We know Pod's trolling somebody, but we don't know who.

Killing Reavern seems like a really intuitive D1 call.

So there's some chance doing that screws us over, thus making it a foolish move made by "lemmings," i.e. what Reavern calls his many detractors.

@PodRacer are all roles assigned randomly?

 

On 5/27/2020 at 6:59 PM, Madaghmire said:

##role confirmed

Revearn isnt playing i thought? Is this just so we get to vote him off the island?

Ok then.

##vote revearn

 

14 hours ago, Lord Preyer said:

And why oh why are you and @ebon hawk TownReading each other? 🤯

 

12 hours ago, FortyInRed said:

Hey all I'm here. Agree Gink is sounding scummy. If we lynch him and we're wrong then Jabba next?

 

These are the different paths that I see.

[CaribbeanNinja 6,207]

5 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:

"based on"

te entiendo

[Bertie Wooster 1,857]

##unvote

Ovi seems towny. Madaghmire and Forty, maybe not.

[FortyInRed 380]

17 hours ago, Ginkapo said:

##vote jabba

 

17 hours ago, Ginkapo said:

Time to bus your teammate @Bertie Wooster

 

15 hours ago, Ginkapo said:

I'm bored. Lynch him

 

15 hours ago, Ginkapo said:

I dont support scum lead lynches

 

15 hours ago, Ginkapo said:

Bens Town btw. He made that apparent day one. 

Here are some of the posts that read as scummy to me. Characterized by one sentence or less with little contribution to the game beyond a vote and some taunting. 

I'm then largely ignoring the Gink/Jabba feud that followed because that could just be a personality clash and not indicative of anything in game. Although Gink seems a little too eager to defend.

Every town role I've ever played says you win if all threats are eliminated, not if you survive. So it's always a safety blanket of sorts for you. If you need to die to send your team a message or support a theory, you can still win.

I agree with Jabba that this is a strange way to play town. 

##vote Gink

Also Ovi, thanks for noticing that I wasn't the one who originally suggested Gink first then Jabba. That was Jabba

[PodRacer 1,077]

VC

 

Jabba (2) Gink, Ovi

Gink (4) LP, GNIP, Jabba, forty (L2)

Forty (2) Ninja, Ebon

Edited May 29 by PodRacer

[Bertie Wooster 1,857]

6 minutes ago, PodRacer said:

VC

Where?

[ovinomanc3r 4,436]

1 minute ago, Bertie Wooster said:

Where?

Lol, I just imagined Pod trolling through several threads. Placing a vote account here, copy-pasting a scum chat there, lol

[CaribbeanNinja 6,207]

lmao

Pod: "Aw ****, they're actually playing. I guess I have to do a VC."

[PodRacer 1,077]

16 hours ago, The Jabbawookie said:

 

I don't understand the first part?

Absolutely agree with the second though.  I'd like to hear from @ovinomanc3r as well, he visited an hour ago.  And @Madaghmire, who did a good job getting a hammer but hasn't expressed thoughts on a pretty eventful game so far.

 

@Ginkapo

I'm sorry, are you new here?  Because you don't just vote with no good explanation when the D1 lynch was proven to be correct.  You nearly caused a no-lynch, which isn't so much a scumtell as actual scumplay.

##vote Ginkapo

Hoping for a better case/actions from you.  There should be enough content out here to warrant it.

 

Now, likely possibilities for no NK:

roleblock

successful doc ( @PodRacer would we be informed of successful protection?)

 

Less likely possibilities:

deliberate inaction by scum to queue up a fakeclaim later (risky as heck)

failure by scum to meet the deadline

priming/poisoning

???

 

Negative

[EbonHawk 1,243]

catching up, morning all

[PodRacer 1,077]

8 hours remaining

[EbonHawk 1,243]

15 hours ago, Ginkapo said:

False.

What has the lynch of Revearn taught us? What was the case against him? Was anyone other than me making an attempt to scumhunt D1? Indeed has anyone made an attempt to scumhunt D2? 

What is the power of town? It is their vote. Town should make cases and apply pressure in order to force scum into errors. 

Fortunately Jabba and Bertie are so incompetent and are broadcasting their partnership quite clearly, otherwise we would be discussing what the point of D1 was. They tagteamed a meaningless case D1 and are now attempting to defend it. The case against Revearn is very simple, they feared what role Pod might have given him. That fear comes from their own roles as the only datapoint they had. 

This really is open and shot. Can we wrap it up by tomorrow lunchtime please, I'm not in the right frame of mind for mafia. 

Agree with this, was more set on jabba over bertie but posts below hmmmmm

14 hours ago, The Jabbawookie said:

##unvote Ginkapo

##vote @ovinomanc3r

You've been online both days and haven't really contributed anything, even a D1 vote.  Which is the best kind of scummarining if you can pull it off.

Would love to hear your thoughts.

I agree with this ovi vote

14 hours ago, Bertie Wooster said:

##vote @ovinomanc3r for being largely inactive, which is unlike his typical town play. 

but man what a quick follow bert, and with largely none of your own reasoning

14 hours ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Well, I'm convinced. Where's the cliff?

##vote @Ginkapo

 

a pretty blind vote. convinced of what? explain yourself Gnips don't just post a vote and expect me to use jedi mind tricks to understand you

13 hours ago, Lord Preyer said:

I would like more votes on @Ginkapo as I am not seeing this as Town-Gink. What’s your take on things @ebon hawk please?

Town Gink, more votes is not needed, votes on him are yet to be explained 

13 hours ago, FortyInRed said:

Hey all I'm here. Agree Gink is sounding scummy. If we lynch him and we're wrong then Jabba next?

 

HMMMM

6 hours ago, ovinomanc3r said:

Following my crappy logic I'm gonna

##vote Ebon

He started a wagon that didn't bring me the head of a scum player.

Jabba was pretty vocal about that wagon though. His post looks like worried about having to support his vote later, while everybody else didn't care a shot about it. Hum...

##unvote Ebon

##vote Jabba

Ebon vote reads as the usual first vote you throw in, half joke half "what else I"m gonna do?"

CNinja protected himself behind the lemming shield which I forsee is gonna be a common place this game. I don't trust him either. The problem is that with Gink-Jabba affair I cannot read Jabba properly. He looks so out of his place that I cannot clear my suspicion cause I'm not sure he had a bad day or he wasn't sure how to deal to Gink peculiar pressure techniques.

I was signed up to this game, I did not sign up (see the distinction), then D1 I vote Reaven as a semi-joke and that is D1, you choose to follow as did others. When I logged back on it was D2 and I had some catching up to do.

"WHO'S MORE FOOLISH, THE FOOL, OR THE FOOLS THAT FOLLOW HIM?"

xD had I been online I would've saved reaven if we had another viable wagon just for the trolls on him, or hammered him as we in town need a D1 kill, I may be biased as my last game I played over whatsapp had no D1 kill and did not go well for town after that, that was also led by Scum gink, a big factor in why I'm town reading hin here is I've just come off the back off 2 games in a row with him 1 as town, 1 as scum. This is town