Lemmings to the Slaughter (mafia)

[Lord Preyer 556]

8 minutes ago, Bertie Wooster said:

N3? Lord Preyer. But I was roleblocked.

Bertie’s claim and explanation works both ways: he could be a Town or Scum Tracker. He could be a Tracker who is just being roleblocked consistently because of his claim (but when did he claim and is he saying that the Roleblocks before were just coincidence?). Or he could just be lying. He’s staying in my suspects pool. 
 

 

[Lord Preyer 556]

28 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

So you believe that I got it despite ovi saying otherwise, but don't believe the rest of my story? Why would I have said I had it if it had affected my scum actions? At the time, nobody had mentioned its existence. Had I remained silent, no attention would have been drawn to me, ovi wouldn't have spoken up and cast doubt on my story, and you wouldn't be voting me right now.

My mentioning the fruit only makes sense if you accept that everything I have said is true.

I like GNIP for Town. 

[GhostofNobodyInParticular 2,493]

5 minutes ago, EbonHawk said:

Should he just attack you for no reason and without asking for a defence or explanation? I mean hmmm

It's not no reason, and we went over it before yesterday. That was something like the third theory between him and ovi and that tried to shoehorn me into being scum. It was the third time I repeated my story and stressed that it is true. Why make up more and ask me to say anything? You already have my defense.

Which raises a point: Mad claims to have gotten the fruit N2, right? (D1 No lynch, N1 I got the fruit, D2 No lynch, N2 I give it to Gink and he turns up dead, D3 Lynch Forty, N3 Ovi dies, Mad gives Bertie the fruit).

How? How did Gink get it and pass it on the same night? When Pod told me I got it he just said I wanted to get rid of it. He didn't ask me to take action until N2. If that is the case, Gink should not have been able to pass it on until N3, but he was dead. Mad should never have gotten the fruit, and Bertie certainly should never have gotten it.

So, either you can get and pass it on in the same night and Pod never told me, which explains how both Gink and I allegedly got it N1 and how Gink and Mad allegedly both got it N2, or Mad and Bertie are a scum team and are milking our confusion over the fruit to build themselves some cover.

[Lord Preyer 556]

What do people think of the idea that @CaribbeanNinjais scum?

##vote @CaribbeanNinja Reasons: new direction; pressure; shading without voting is unsportsmanlike 

[GhostofNobodyInParticular 2,493]

1 minute ago, Lord Preyer said:

What do people think of the idea that @CaribbeanNinjais scum?

##vote @CaribbeanNinja Reasons: new direction; pressure; shading without voting is unsportsmanlike 

I can see it, but I am more suspicious of Mad and Bertie (see above) until this whole double-fruit-pass is cleared up.

[Lord Preyer 556]

I’ll go back and do a proper reread of CNinjas game this evening to be fair to the fellow 

[EbonHawk 1,243]

2 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

I can see it, but I am more suspicious of Mad and Bertie (see above) until this whole double-fruit-pass is cleared up.

Ditto on Bertie

 

I also think preyer has done some solid town work above though, pretty much how i feel on ninja

[EbonHawk 1,243]

1 minute ago, Lord Preyer said:

I’ll go back and do a proper reread of CNinjas game this evening to be fair to the fellow 

i'll be interested in your take

[Lord Preyer 556]

7 hours ago, Bertie Wooster said:

So...

D1, Ovi has the fruit. N1, he gives it to Gink. Bertie tracks Gink, but it fails.
D2, GNIP has the fruit. N2, GNIP gives it to Gink. Bertie tracks Mads, but it fails.
D3, Mads has the fruit. N3, Mads gives it to Bertie. Bertie tracks Lord Preyer, but it fails. Bertie was told he's roleblocked.
D4, Bertie has the fruit.

There must be a bus driver who switched Gink and GNIP N1, and Mads and Gink N2. Ovi claimed the fruit makes someone immune to night actions, but as Ebon pointed out, a bus drive generally takes place before everything else happens, otherwise the night actions would be very complicated. Which would mean I really tracked GNIP N1, and Gink N2.

Jabba's theory doesn't really make sense, because ovi had the fruit first. And actually, Gink never had the fruit at all, because of the bus drive (otherwise it would have died in his hands). Probably Gink died because he's a solid player, and ovi died because he was already more or less confirmed town.

At this point I'm wondering if GNIP is really telling the truth though (ovi thought some part of his story didn't make sense).  Perhaps he really gave it to Mads N2 and lied about it--which would explain why my tracking on Mads failed. Perhaps the fruit doesn't only make someone immune from night actions, but also ensures that they can't perform a night action. I don't think ovi mentioned this but it would make sense, given that it's a disgusting piece of fruit that we don't want. Which would explain why my tracking failed last night, this time receiving the message that I was roleblocked (the fruit itself is the roleblocker). And if the fruit roleblocks, GNIP could have been prevented from making a kill N1.

The question remains though, why would GNIP tell us about the fruit at all, claiming that he may have accidentally killed Gink? Seems like an unusual way to draw attention to yourself as scum. If he knew the fruit roleblocked, and he knew no one died N1, surely he'd know the reason was because he had the fruit.

 @GhostofNobodyInParticular?

This post is the only post that stays my hand for now on Bertie. Is it ScumSmoke or a TownTry?

[Lord Preyer 556]

1 minute ago, EbonHawk said:

Ditto on Bertie

 

I also think preyer has done some solid town work above though, pretty much how i feel on ninja

Thanks. But I wouldn’t say “solid” just yet! But he does ping me. Am comfortable with BW push too. 

[Ginkapo 9,320]

VC

Bertie (1) - GNips

GNips (1) - Bertie

CNinj (1) - LP

 

6 hours till deadline. A Revearn Quart to lynch

[Madaghmire 7,274]

25 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

I can see it, but I am more suspicious of Mad and Bertie (see above) until this whole double-fruit-pass is cleared up.

Hang me, but understand when I flop it doesn’t clear bertie.

[CaribbeanNinja 6,207]

34 minutes ago, Lord Preyer said:

What do people think of the idea that @CaribbeanNinjais scum?

##vote @CaribbeanNinja Reasons: new direction; pressure; shading without voting is unsportsmanlike 

🙂

Who am I shading?

[CaribbeanNinja 6,207]

Okay I see what LP is saying...(but just FYI I was really just answering Ebon's point)

But I'm cool with the pressure.  I am flat out not cool with voting Jabba, so I think you misunderstood me.  Bertie, again, I'm all over the place on after this morning's reread.

 

[CaribbeanNinja 6,207]

On 5/30/2020 at 1:24 PM, Bertie Wooster said:

So when @Madaghmire is absent from the game, no night kill. When he comes back, Gink dies. Hmmm. 

 

On 5/30/2020 at 7:39 PM, Bertie Wooster said:

It's not really a principal vote, I just can't help connecting some unusual occurrences: 

1.  Despite D1 being very short, N1 was really long. Perhaps Pod was waiting for someone to submit an action. We don't know for sure why. 

2. There was no NK night 1. 

3. At the end of D2, Pod expressed a strong warning to Mads for not participating. This is highly unusual--I don't think I've ever seen it in a game before, despite playing many games in which someone is more quiet than the other players. Was this Mad's second offense? 

Draw your own conclusions. I think it likely that Mad has a scum NK ability and didn't use it N1 due to being inactive. 

As for Jabba and ovi--Jabba misrepresented ovi, and now ovi is misrepresenting Jabba. I'm not sure either of them did it deliberately. It could be just a town fight. 

##vote Bertie

after another **** read, this (plus the fruit bidness) is just convoluted to me.  I think the simpler explanation is that Bertie is hiding something.

[CaribbeanNinja 6,207]

Here's my current Def-con chart

Green 1 Most Trusted

Me! Jabba (willing to die for us) GNIPs (Came right out with the fruit)

Yellow 3 folks I'm concerned about 

(Ebon, Mads, LP) pretty much neutral right now after mads came back from the brink

Red 5 

Bertie (for reasons above)

 

[Lord Preyer 556]

45 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

🙂

Who am I shading?

I meant I was shading you! And I dislike shading without voting so Having caught myself doing so I wanted to vote instead 

[The Jabbawookie 5,610]

We’re at the point where I don’t think anyone’s going to “math out” the fruit yet.  I think we should consider hanging Mads.  He gives me the impression of trying to fly under the radar while we get distracted (bickering then fruit.)  Town Mads, IMO, would have been more useful over the course of this game.

##vote @Madaghmire

That said, there are some good reasons for Bertie:

Bertie may have opportunistically grabbed onto the fruit to steer discussion.  (That said, it seems like a good way to get caught in a lie.)

He claims to have the fruit right now.  More data for a pattern.

He’s said a lot about the fruit, and ruling it out as lies or confirming it to be true are useful.

So he’s still a useful lynch.

[Lord Preyer 556]

For what it’s worth I read @Madaghmire asDistracted Town more than Scumariner.  

[GhostofNobodyInParticular 2,493]

@The Jabbawookie we don't have much time left and I'd prefer lynching Bertie. Would you mind switching, or do you have a strong preference to voting Mad?

[The Jabbawookie 5,610]

Just now, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

@The Jabbawookie we don't have much time left and I'd prefer lynching Bertie. Would you mind switching, or do you have a strong preference to voting Mad?

No, my reasons for Bertie stand too.

##unvote

##vote @Bertie Wooster

[The Jabbawookie 5,610]

L-1, I think.

[Bertie Wooster 1,857]

On 5/31/2020 at 2:01 PM, Madaghmire said:

Ugh. That would make some sense, assuming we have a roleblocker. They might have blocked you N1 and took the no kill as a sign they got the right target.

##unvote while I consider

 

On 5/31/2020 at 2:13 PM, Madaghmire said:

Scum wouldnt, im looking at it as a town rb

Mads, just curious, why'd you assume a town RB when I mentioned the possibility of a RB yesterday?

[Bertie Wooster 1,857]

##unvote and ##vote @Madaghmire. After rereading this caught me as suspicious.

[Bertie Wooster 1,857]

How much time do we have? 3-4 hours?