Lemmings to the Slaughter (mafia)

[Bertie Wooster 1,857]

5 minutes ago, The Jabbawookie said:

 

That could be a worthwhile experiment if Pod allows it.

You're right, any simple pattern breaks down because Ovi had the fruit before Gink but died after.

There is also still the possibility the fruit is just a complete red herring troll, but the lack of an N1 kill and the connection to those dead so far seem to indicate otherwise to me.

I predict I'm going to get a chuckle out of reading this setup.

Maybe it's impossible for me NOT to give it. Maybe hanging me today is the only way to eliminate the fruit, the final threat to town's existence.

But Pod also said this wasn't a bastard game, and seemed to imply that he wasn't holding back info about the fruit from ovi, correct? And ovi was certain the fruit doesn't kill. I'll have to reread.

Anyway, last night was strange for another reason. Pod started by telling me I had some good tracking vibes this time (not an exact quote), then I tried to track LP, then Pod told me the track was unsuccessful (womp womp) and that I was roleblocked. I haven't been informed specifically of being roleblocked before. I asked Pod why the fruit didn't protect me from being roleblocked (ovi seemed to imply it would), and he said not all roleblocks are the same (not an exact quote).

[Bertie Wooster 1,857]

My other thought was that GNIP or Madaghmire could be a scum bus driver, and switched himself with Gink...I am too tired to think about how this would work now but I'll try to think about it when I wake up. There's probably a flaw somewhere. 

[Madaghmire 7,274]

I feel like whatever the story is with the fruit, its not what you guys are thinking it is. Part of why I was willing to come off Bertie yesterday was because fruit makes sense as a “muddy the waters” if Bertie is telling the truth and we have a tracker, and so the tracker claim rung true. I had the fruit yesterday, and I gave it to Bertie. You really should have known I had the fruit;

On 5/30/2020 at 4:51 PM, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

I was planning on starting this day voting for Gink, but he's dead. Maybe Ebon?

Also, I may have accidentally killed Gink. I was given a sticky fruit N1 that I was told I wanted to get rid of. I gave it to Gink last night.

 

On 5/30/2020 at 10:54 PM, Madaghmire said:

What? THAT SON OF A *****!

 

[CaribbeanNinja 6,207]

Well, ****.  I'll have to do a re-read in the morning, but I was really as sure as you can be (but wrong as ****) that Forty was scum.  I do agree with Mads about the fruit.  I think it is Pod's attempt to:

29 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

“muddy the waters”

[Bertie Wooster 1,857]

5 hours ago, Madaghmire said:

I feel like whatever the story is with the fruit, its not what you guys are thinking it is. Part of why I was willing to come off Bertie yesterday was because fruit makes sense as a “muddy the waters” if Bertie is telling the truth and we have a tracker, and so the tracker claim rung true. I had the fruit yesterday, and I gave it to Bertie. You really should have known I had the fruit;

So...

D1, Ovi has the fruit. N1, he gives it to Gink. Bertie tracks Gink, but it fails.
D2, GNIP has the fruit. N2, GNIP gives it to Gink. Bertie tracks Mads, but it fails.
D3, Mads has the fruit. N3, Mads gives it to Bertie. Bertie tracks Lord Preyer, but it fails. Bertie was told he's roleblocked.
D4, Bertie has the fruit.

There must be a bus driver who switched Gink and GNIP N1, and Mads and Gink N2. Ovi claimed the fruit makes someone immune to night actions, but as Ebon pointed out, a bus drive generally takes place before everything else happens, otherwise the night actions would be very complicated. Which would mean I really tracked GNIP N1, and Gink N2.

Jabba's theory doesn't really make sense, because ovi had the fruit first. And actually, Gink never had the fruit at all, because of the bus drive (otherwise it would have died in his hands). Probably Gink died because he's a solid player, and ovi died because he was already more or less confirmed town.

At this point I'm wondering if GNIP is really telling the truth though (ovi thought some part of his story didn't make sense).  Perhaps he really gave it to Mads N2 and lied about it--which would explain why my tracking on Mads failed. Perhaps the fruit doesn't only make someone immune from night actions, but also ensures that they can't perform a night action. I don't think ovi mentioned this but it would make sense, given that it's a disgusting piece of fruit that we don't want. Which would explain why my tracking failed last night, this time receiving the message that I was roleblocked (the fruit itself is the roleblocker). And if the fruit roleblocks, GNIP could have been prevented from making a kill N1.

The question remains though, why would GNIP tell us about the fruit at all, claiming that he may have accidentally killed Gink? Seems like an unusual way to draw attention to yourself as scum. If he knew the fruit roleblocked, and he knew no one died N1, surely he'd know the reason was because he had the fruit.

 @GhostofNobodyInParticular?

[GhostofNobodyInParticular 2,493]

1 hour ago, Bertie Wooster said:

So...

D1, Ovi has the fruit. N1, he gives it to Gink. Bertie tracks Gink, but it fails.
D2, GNIP has the fruit. N2, GNIP gives it to Gink. Bertie tracks Mads, but it fails.
D3, Mads has the fruit. N3, Mads gives it to Bertie. Bertie tracks Lord Preyer, but it fails. Bertie was told he's roleblocked.
D4, Bertie has the fruit.

There must be a bus driver who switched Gink and GNIP N1, and Mads and Gink N2. Ovi claimed the fruit makes someone immune to night actions, but as Ebon pointed out, a bus drive generally takes place before everything else happens, otherwise the night actions would be very complicated. Which would mean I really tracked GNIP N1, and Gink N2.

Jabba's theory doesn't really make sense, because ovi had the fruit first. And actually, Gink never had the fruit at all, because of the bus drive (otherwise it would have died in his hands). Probably Gink died because he's a solid player, and ovi died because he was already more or less confirmed town.

At this point I'm wondering if GNIP is really telling the truth though (ovi thought some part of his story didn't make sense).  Perhaps he really gave it to Mads N2 and lied about it--which would explain why my tracking on Mads failed. Perhaps the fruit doesn't only make someone immune from night actions, but also ensures that they can't perform a night action. I don't think ovi mentioned this but it would make sense, given that it's a disgusting piece of fruit that we don't want. Which would explain why my tracking failed last night, this time receiving the message that I was roleblocked (the fruit itself is the roleblocker). And if the fruit roleblocks, GNIP could have been prevented from making a kill N1.

The question remains though, why would GNIP tell us about the fruit at all, claiming that he may have accidentally killed Gink? Seems like an unusual way to draw attention to yourself as scum. If he knew the fruit roleblocked, and he knew no one died N1, surely he'd know the reason was because he had the fruit.

 @GhostofNobodyInParticular?

Why are you asking me to comment on a theory of my scumminess? As I told you, I got the fruit N1 and passed it to Gink night 2. I had no idea what it was, since I was only told that it was sticky and that I wanted to get rid of it ASAP. Since I didn't trust it, and I didn't trust Gink, I gave it to him.

[CaribbeanNinja 6,207]

11 hours ago, The Jabbawookie said:

You're right, any simple pattern breaks down because Ovi had the fruit before Gink but died after.

Yeah my head hurts trying to figure this.  In a world where Pod is the mod, I'm currently a fruit denier.  (I'm not saying they aren't real, I'm saying I think they're a red herring)

 

[CaribbeanNinja 6,207]

13 hours ago, EbonHawk said:

bed soon, reread tomorrow is looking at who Gink and Ovi have been pushing the most

Well this is going to be Jabba and Bertie.  I've still got Jabba as green, after his attempted self-lynch, but I guess I could totally see that as a baller scum play?  I doubt it though.

I'm all over the place with Bertie. And others seem to have been as well. 

[Bertie Wooster 1,857]

1 hour ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

Yeah my head hurts trying to figure this.  In a world where Pod is the mod, I'm currently a fruit denier.  (I'm not saying they aren't real, I'm saying I think they're a red herring)

 

Do you think the fruit has any special properties, or no? Ovi said Pod told him the fruit makes someone immune from night actions, and Pod chimed in yesterday saying this is not a bastard game (so he wasn't lying to ovi).

[CaribbeanNinja 6,207]

39 minutes ago, Bertie Wooster said:

Do you think the fruit has any special properties, or no?

Ovi said Pod told him the fruit makes someone immune from night actions, and Pod chimed in yesterday saying this is not a bastard game (so he wasn't lying to ovi).

I do believe Ovi - I'm not believing Pod.  (This game was created to troll a troll, and everyone has flipped vanilla town other than said troll)

 

[CaribbeanNinja 6,207]

but take my "wisdom" on the setup with a huge chunk of salt.

I never get the setup. I've never run the game.

Ovi could write three pages about that during any game, and my eyes will glaze over. (At least I think he's forgiven me for that loss that we don't speak about anymore 🙂 ) 

[PodRacer 1,077]

VC

 

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[Lord Preyer 556]

15 hours ago, The Jabbawookie said:

 

That could be a worthwhile experiment if Pod allows it.

You're right, any simple pattern breaks down because Ovi had the fruit before Gink but died after.

There is also still the possibility the fruit is just a complete red herring troll, but the lack of an N1 kill and the connection to those dead so far seem to indicate otherwise to me.

I predict I'm going to get a chuckle out of reading this setup.

Didn’t Pod say the roles weren’t new?

[GhostofNobodyInParticular 2,493]

##vote Bertie Wooster

I haven't seen any reason to unvote him, and his coming up with no results 3 nights in a row (and now trying to use the fruit as a self-blocker) is very suspicious.

[Bertie Wooster 1,857]

I'm going to ##vote @GhostofNobodyInParticular because my hypothesis (if true) would suggest that GNIP tried to perform the NK on N1 and was blocked by the fruit. 

 

 

[GhostofNobodyInParticular 2,493]

2 minutes ago, Bertie Wooster said:

I'm going to ##vote @GhostofNobodyInParticular because my hypothesis (if true) would suggest that GNIP tried to perform the NK on N1 and was blocked by the fruit. 

So you believe that I got it despite ovi saying otherwise, but don't believe the rest of my story? Why would I have said I had it if it had affected my scum actions? At the time, nobody had mentioned its existence. Had I remained silent, no attention would have been drawn to me, ovi wouldn't have spoken up and cast doubt on my story, and you wouldn't be voting me right now.

My mentioning the fruit only makes sense if you accept that everything I have said is true.

[EbonHawk 1,243]

4 hours ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

Well this is going to be Jabba and Bertie.  I've still got Jabba as green, after his attempted self-lynch, but I guess I could totally see that as a baller scum play?  I doubt it though.

I pretty much agree with this all, if jabba is scum I'll be leaving him to lylo before thinking about it, after Preyer, he's my top town.. the rest of you not so sure on, including you, catching up now

[EbonHawk 1,243]

17 hours ago, Lord Preyer said:

 

Hmmn. 

Big hmm why did he lie? Or did pod lie?

 

17 hours ago, Bertie Wooster said:

I received the fruit. Can someone please tell me if you gave it to me (or to someone else) last night? 

hmmm

16 hours ago, The Jabbawookie said:

 

That could be a worthwhile experiment if Pod allows it.

You're right, any simple pattern breaks down because Ovi had the fruit before Gink but died after.

There is also still the possibility the fruit is just a complete red herring troll, but the lack of an N1 kill and the connection to those dead so far seem to indicate otherwise to me.

I predict I'm going to get a chuckle out of reading this setup.

soft agreed

 

[EbonHawk 1,243]

13 hours ago, Madaghmire said:

I feel like whatever the story is with the fruit, its not what you guys are thinking it is. Part of why I was willing to come off Bertie yesterday was because fruit makes sense as a “muddy the waters” if Bertie is telling the truth and we have a tracker, and so the tracker claim rung true. I had the fruit yesterday, and I gave it to Bertie. You really should have known I had the fruit;

 

 

@Bertie Wooster who did you track please?

[Bertie Wooster 1,857]

7 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

So you believe that I got it despite ovi saying otherwise, but don't believe the rest of my story? Why would I have said I had it if it had affected my scum actions? At the time, nobody had mentioned its existence. Had I remained silent, no attention would have been drawn to me, ovi wouldn't have spoken up and cast doubt on my story, and you wouldn't be voting me right now.

My mentioning the fruit only makes sense if you accept that everything I have said is true.

That's the very thing that's puzzling me. It would be a mistake for you to mention the fruit if you were scum. (Although when I play scum sometimes I'll say something that's partially true to try to seem credible.)

But with getting no tracker results three times, it's my only lead, and I'd just be going with who seems "most scummy" (which is dubious at best). 

[Bertie Wooster 1,857]

Just now, EbonHawk said:

@Bertie Wooster who did you track please?

N3? Lord Preyer. But I was roleblocked.

[EbonHawk 1,243]

7 hours ago, Bertie Wooster said:

Jabba's theory doesn't really make sense, because ovi had the fruit first. And actually, Gink never had the fruit at all, because of the bus drive (otherwise it would have died in his hands). Probably Gink died because he's a solid player, and ovi died because he was already more or less confirmed town.

Agreed.

 

5 hours ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Why are you asking me to comment on a theory of my scumminess? As I told you, I got the fruit N1 and passed it to Gink night 2. I had no idea what it was, since I was only told that it was sticky and that I wanted to get rid of it ASAP. Since I didn't trust it, and I didn't trust Gink, I gave it to him.

Should he just attack you for no reason and without asking for a defence or explanation? I mean hmmm

 

 

Top 3 scum: Bertie / Gnips / Ninja (No order)

Top town: Jabba and Preyer (like gink I play with him a lot, he has pinged me a few times but history would tell me to give his town pings more credence, so I'm choosing to trust him for once, hopefully not misplaced) (and again no order)

Grey area: Mads

 

[EbonHawk 1,243]

3 minutes ago, Bertie Wooster said:

That's the very thing that's puzzling me. It would be a mistake for you to mention the fruit if you were scum. (Although when I play scum sometimes I'll say something that's partially true to try to seem credible.)

Scum will for sure use setup information "maybe this could be in game", constant vigilance 

[EbonHawk 1,243]

3 minutes ago, Bertie Wooster said:

N3? Lord Preyer. But I was roleblocked.

hmm, this would indicate a scum roleblocker if telling the truth, and truth be told im unsure who to vote lots of credible options so going to hold for somw more debate 

[Lord Preyer 556]

13 hours ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

Well, ****.  I'll have to do a re-read in the morning, but I was really as sure as you can be (but wrong as ****) that Forty was scum.  I do agree with Mads about the fruit.  I think it is Pod's attempt to:

 

4 hours ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

Yeah my head hurts trying to figure this.  In a world where Pod is the mod, I'm currently a fruit denier.  (I'm not saying they aren't real, I'm saying I think they're a red herring)

 

 

4 hours ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

Well this is going to be Jabba and Bertie.  I've still got Jabba as green, after his attempted self-lynch, but I guess I could totally see that as a baller scum play?  I doubt it though.

I'm all over the place with Bertie. And others seem to have been as well. 

So I have a split view on CNinja now. On the one hand I think he is helping Town on getting us out of the fruit red herring cul de sac. But on the other hand his ‘well gee what now?’ and ‘maybe back to Jabba?’ posts are pinging me.