GenCon 2020 Cancelled -- When will Clone Wars Armada be revealed now?

[Darth Sanguis 6,324]

6 minutes ago, Reavern said:

That had nothing to do with too many Armada expansions being released, because after Wave 2, there have never been more than 2 ship expansions per Wave. And the only year we had 3 Waves per year was back in 2016.

waves 3,4,5 and CC all dropped in 2016?

It could be argued that wave 3 created the flotilla issue and in conjunction with the new aces in wave 5 and CC snowballed into what we had to deal with 'til 2018 when they finally errata'd some of the issues. 

Rapid release means less time to balance. Things get crazy hectic when you fire off new stuff that fast. 

Armada was really divided during that whole mess. 



 

Edited May 21 by Darth Sanguis

[Ginkapo 9,320]

8 minutes ago, Darth Sanguis said:

waves 3,4,5 and CC all dropped in 2016?

Yeah that was too much to be honest. Game was a bit hectic. If I wanted chaos I'd play Xwing. 

[GiledPallaeon 2,873]

14 minutes ago, Ginkapo said:

None of that please

You don't want more work?

Let's see if we can work through this some. How does this picture make you feel?

[Darth Sanguis 6,324]

6 minutes ago, Ginkapo said:

Yeah that was too much to be honest. Game was a bit hectic. If I wanted chaos I'd play Xwing. 

Exactly. I'd rather a balanced game that took time to relese than having to hole punch upgrade slots out of my ships every couple of months. 

[geek19 6,557]

1 minute ago, GiledPallaeon said:

You don't want more work?

Let's see if we can work through this some. How does this picture make you feel?

Hungry for waffle house

[GhostofNobodyInParticular 2,493]

39 minutes ago, Reavern said:

 

Please point out an example of an Armada Wave that wasn't "good" because of the quantity of ship expansions that were released.

I can't think of a "bad" Wave or a bad ship/squadron expansion.

So your baseless contention that Armada's quality will suffer if FFG releases more than one ship per year is a BS straw-man argument. Furthermore, neither Legion nor X-wing have suffered from the alleged Quantity vs. Quality problem. So what basis do you assume that would happen to Armada?

Did I not explicitly state that I thought all waves were good? I did not claim that they would become of poorer quality, I said I feared they might, and would prefer not to risk it. I know enough about game development to agree with what Biggs said above, and to know that my statements concerning quantity have validity in general, and thus may have validity when specifically applied here.

My fears are based on general observation of what happens to mass-produced goods, but also on what I have heard of X-Wing (contrary to your assertion). The fact that there were ships that were undeniably better than anything else (see Jumpmasters) and that the game got a 2.0, tells me that not all was well.

[BiggsIRL 6,717]

3&4 basically dropped at the same time.

They started out as one wave, Wave #3, then the non-flotilla got delayed, so rather than push the entire Wave back FFG announced Wave 3 would be the flotillas, and Wave 4 would be the not-flotillas.  Then **something happens** and they basically both drop on the same day anyway.  According to the Wiki Wave 4 actually dropped a week before Wave 3, but... uh... that's not how I remembered it.

CC dropped the same day as Wave 5, less than half a year after Wave 3+4.  It was chaos.  Fortunately it was while I was sick, so I had the chance to study/write about it all.

Imagine 2 new ships, but 32 new squadrons (24 of them unique), and 12 new objectives all at once.  It was a crazy time.

[Darth Sanguis 6,324]

Posting for thread vibe with relevant changes:

 

Wow an entire year will go by and this is all we get. what a turd, a lump of coal. After all that wave II SSD delay we get screwed with this. Wow. This is the worst game news I have ever come across in my entire adult life. I mean this is terrible. Luckily, it is just a game, but FF has lost me as a customer. You can take your future product and....

OGM and they way they sell e turn with all the fluffy writing. Just reading it made my stomach turn. They basically didn't devote any resources toward Armada. Without momentum this fledging game opabout epic fleets game is heading straight toward the toilet. I love how the fluff keep talk about how this meager offering was making the game more epic. What a joke. How did the person even stomach writing that junk. I would pn't even recommend new players getting in now. I was planning on running three demo tables for up to 12 players at a convention in April in Huntsville...forgetaboutit. Wow what a deuce.

I was on the wrong side of the sales argument. To all those who said FF was dropping Armada. You were right by default. Lake of "real" support for a game about being epic means the same thing as no support. Just a ruse to sell existing molds and current inventory. Wve VI Wve XI Forgetaboutit it. There won't be enough interest and this game will collect dust like my others.

Me buying Rebellion, not now. Wouldn't even play it. I'll cut off my nose to spite my face from this point on. You could be the producers of bloody rage and I would still boycott your betrayal.

And because this is a rant and I am pulling all support from FF let me TLDR this one more time:

They dug the ditch for this game and threw out this small token to help sell off their last remaining product of neb bs ISD, MC80s, VSDs etc. They clearly have no serious intention of growing this game now at this critical juncture and this token move was just to help move existing inventory. Completely betrayed. I will never buy another FF product again. After getting my wave VIIi stuff next for X-wing AAT tank, Iden, vital assets and Cassian for Legion I am out. It is preordered and too late to fix. This game needed at least 3-4 more good capital ships in the short term to gather the momentum it needed to inspire the people who haven't made the lead and to shore up some of the glare holes on both sides.

The the meta will be 6 quarter at the minimum even if in the off chance I am wrong and they decide to get their stuff together and not screw the people would poured so much emergy, hope, and money into this game. Going to Shapeways isn't the answer because the plastic mold are junk.

The only lemon to sweetie is that I can save time by rarely checking my FF account and moving on to the many other games in my collection.

Basically called it a wrap And complete threw us under the bus. The game needed 4 more good ships per side to help this game flourish. Wow, I can't believe I just got suckered so bad and now feel so ripped off after spending all the money I did. 12 dice packs, 12 distance rulers, three 3x6' tables, laser, 45 ships, 14 squadron packs, hours painting, etc to get basically completely screwed because this was a clear message that this game is finished. They didn't build on the momentum of wave two.

Freaking flotillas  clone wars. You seriously gotta be kidding me. They don't even look good. Could even staggered the height and maybe even used four at different levels. Junk

Ok maybe as part of a release with at least 2-3 capital ships and a new fighter pack with some new admirals, objectives, etc. added in some of the packs. Two packs of junk for an entire year. At least this will be on time because there is basically nothing to produce. One guy working on this junk eating hot pockets in his mom's basement.

Worse bone thrown ever. They can forget people getting excited about this game. You can feel the loss of sales now this crapper is swirling around the toilet. No excitement among the serious casual player will home of this. Oh the small tournament scene will play on, but without the causual gamers wanting variety and ships to fill somewhere in the 82-104 gap for the rebels and the 90-108 gap for the imperials. Many of who just got enough money saved for wave II wave VIII won't be pulling the trigger now they have shown that they now longer take this game seriously and put even a few team member on this.

Oh and let make the Rhymer ball big ships even better with pout giving the Rebels GCW era some love on that front. When playing more than 400 points the Rebels GCW era are at a severe disadvantage.

So a floatilla of clone wars upgrades for existing ship...ok nice start, but No Where Is the Beef. There is none because you just saw the death of the game.

[The Jabbawookie 5,610]

21 minutes ago, Darth Sanguis said:

No Where Is the Beef.

Plenty of beef here, thank you. 

More than one would think for a game that our prophet claims died 5 years ago...

[BiggsIRL 6,717]

Just now, The Jabbawookie said:

Plenty of beef here, thank you. 

More than one would think for a game that our prophet claims died 5 years ago...

What is dead may never die.

[axe238 186]

What a waste of time reading through this thread. Apologies to the OP.

[ninclouse2000 1,049]

I would love to know what happened after this. Did he sell his collection? Did he smash it all or burn it? Or did he calm down and change his mind? Possibly created a new user name and is still among us here on the forum?

[The Jabbawookie 5,610]

6 minutes ago, axe238 said:

Apologies to the OP.

What for?  He has plenty of opinions he somehow expects us to care about, despite making it clear he doesn’t care about anyone else’s.  This is exactly the kind of thread he should anticipate making with that attitude.

Apologies to the people who stumbled in here expecting better.

[Reavern 315]

4 minutes ago, GiledPallaeon said:

This is the thing dude. Like above, you are actually in line with the sentiments of the community. However, UNLIKE EVERYONE ELSE, you feel absolutely compelled to be an unmitigated asshat. See exhibit below:

Furthermore, this is, as @BiggsIRL said, absolutely petulant bull:

What's your plan? You shot down reaching out to them here:

So instead, your plan is to *****, whine, moan, insult the community around you, and generally raise all **** on a public forum owned by the company who you are trying to influence, in a completely unofficial channel that has maybe in the history of the company potentially caused change exactly once, when the feedback was positive? Are you insane? Are you on some Schedule 1 drug?

I know third graders less whiny than you.

I didn't start this thread by insulting people, I reported the news that GenCon was cancelled and asked the perfectly valid question of when FFG was going to reveal Clone Wars Armada?

Then you all replied to my thread and attacked me, and I've been defending myself from your bullying and trolling ever since.

TBH I don't mind, because every time you ignore my well articulated points and ironclad logical arguments, and instead choose to attack me for daring to criticize FFG and accusing you all of being spineless sheep who desperately want to be BFFs with FFG, I know that I've won the debate.

None of you are capable of composing a valid counter-argument because you're all guilty of group-think and sucking up to FFG. Your best argument seems to be "Asmodee is a business and therefore their #`1 priority must be making money." That is such absurdly inept defense of GAME that is intended to be recreational, deep, and challenging. But all you sheep seem to care about is Asmodee's bottom line.

I don't know about all of you, but when I'm playing Armada, I'm not thinking about how well Asmodee's fiscal year 2019 was. I'm thinking about the game.

When my friends and I talk about Armada, and lament about Armada only releasing a couple of ships per year the past few years, whereas Legion and X-Wing have released dozens, and they'd rather play those games instead, that's when I think about how FFG has been failing the Armada community in recent years. And I'm certain that the majority of the blame can be attributed to Asmodee's negative influence and meddling. Asmodee has de-prioritized Armada and some of you have even acknowledged this problem, but you still attack me for telling the truth that you are desperately trying to ignore.

You all have a defeatist attitude that there's nothing that we can do about Armada's sorry state, so there's no point in talking about it. You just want to bury your heads in the sand and WAIT until FFG finally decides to reveal Clone Wars Armada... which many of you have said there's a chance it could be delayed past the scheduled Q4 2020 release window. So you're content to wait... and wait... and wait... and wait... and wait... and wait....

And I'm somehow the "bad guy" for stating that I'm unhappy about waiting.

You accuse me of "whining like child" because I've been expressing my dissatisfaction for having to wait. When did expressing an opinion on a forum become so divisive?

All of you rallied together and collectively trolled my thread because you couldn't tolerate my opinions. You couldn't tolerate any ideas or opinions that aren't yours. You couldn't tolerate anyone who thinks differently than you. And how exactly do I think differently than you?

I'm honest. I'm unwaveringly, uncompromisingly, undiplomatically, unreservedly honest.

Are any of you willing to acknowledge my absolute honesty?

 

One of you claimed that the Armada community is an "inclusive" place, which was obviously a lie. Because the literal definition of inclusivity is:

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inclusivity: the quality of trying to include many different types of people and treat them all fairly and equally.

Can any of you honestly claim that you've tried to include me and treated me fairly and equally?

Inclusivity is dependent on people who are open-minded, tolerant, and accepting. Those are virtuous traits that none of you possess. And I'm not naive enough to believe you'll actually feel ashamed about that, because you're also clearly incapable of introspection and acknowledging your own character flaws.

I know I'm not perfect, but that doesn't mean I won't resolutely stand by my principles and opinions.

Do any of you have principles?

Because the only "principled" stance I've observed here is "Defend FFG, no matter what." That's tribalism. It's not about being right or wrong, it's purely about defending "your tribe."

This thread could've had a constructive discussion and brainstorming session about how FFG could reveal Clone Wars Armada to the world now that GenCon has been cancelled.

But instead, all of you have just been shouting "SHUT UP AND FFG WILL REVEAL CLONE WARS ARMADA WHENEVER THEY WANT TO!!!"

Imagine if all threads on this forum received that response: "Shut up and wait." 🙄

[duck_bird 925]

Dude you made it a whopping ONE post before going off on a lunatic rant.

[Reavern 315]

1 minute ago, duck_bird said:

Dude you made it a whopping ONE post before going off on a lunatic rant.

Why don't you try reading it instead knee-jerk replying.

[Wilson669 66]

Keep well and safe all. We will get news soon.

 

[Darth Sanguis 6,324]

12 minutes ago, ninclouse2000 said:

Possibly created a new user name and is still among us here on the forum?

Jury is out on this one lol We get posts of Admiral Nelson proportions every once in a while.

[duck_bird 925]

 

1 minute ago, Reavern said:

Then you all replied to my thread and attacked me, and I've been defending myself from your bullying and trolling ever since.

No one attacked you lmao.  There's no sass until your 2nd post where you proceed to lose your mind.

1 minute ago, Reavern said:

TBH I don't mind, because every time you ignore my well articulated points and ironclad logical arguments, and instead choose to attack me for daring to criticize FFG and accusing you all of being spineless sheep who desperately want to be BFFs with FFG, I know that I've won the debate.

You are a cartoon.  A caricature of of an internet tough guy fACts AnD lOgIc keyboard warrior.  Take a step back and look at your insane rants in this thread.  About toy spaceships.  I mean as a fellow oppressed gamer, I understand, but my word, pick your battles.

1 minute ago, Reavern said:

None of you are capable of composing a valid counter-argument because you're all guilty of group-think and sucking up to FFG. 

Another libtard destroyed.  Noice.

1 minute ago, Reavern said:

I'm honest. I'm unwaveringly, uncompromisingly, undiplomatically, unreservedly honest.

Are any of you willing to acknowledge my absolute honesty?

One of you claimed that the Armada community is an "inclusive" place, which was obviously a lie. Because the literal definition of inclusivity is:

Can any of you honestly claim that you've tried to include me and treated me fairly and equally?

Definitely.  I'd berate anyone running their mouth like an insane person.  Seriously I can't fathom unironically calling people sheep, spineless, telling them to SACK UP and DEBATE you and your IMPENETRABLE ideas.  You're a clown.  This is the chillest gaming community I've ever been a part of and you're slinging s*** at a lot of very cool people. 

No one's harassing you for your ideas.  They're reacting to your, again, insane ranting.  

1 minute ago, Reavern said:

Because the only "principled" stance I've observed here is "Defend FFG, no matter what." That's tribalism. It's not about being right or wrong, it's purely about defending "your tribe."

Dude we crap on FFG and asmodee all the time in this community.  Production issues, missed deadlines, wonky rules interactions.  These are all so prevalent they're practically memes at this point.  Whining about it doesn't fix anything. 

I've seen internet gamers whine about the practices of the industry since literally the 90s, yet keep buying things.  All the moaning doesn't do anything if people still spend money.  Ask yourself if the company is still offering a satisfactory product that you consider to be worth the expense of purchase.  If not, don't buy it.  Simple as that.  

1 minute ago, Reavern said:

This thread could've had a constructive discussion and brainstorming session about how FFG could reveal Clone Wars Armada to the world now that GenCon has been cancelled.

Again that's on you.  No one gave you even a little snark before you went nuts.

1 minute ago, Reavern said:

But instead, all of you have just been shouting "SHUT UP AND FFG WILL REVEAL CLONE WARS ARMADA WHENEVER THEY WANT TO!!!"

Imagine if all threads on this forum received that response: "Shut up and wait." 🙄

Sorry it's almost 4pm and I hear FFG calling.  Time for my d*** flattening.

Stay woke fellow gamer.

[BiggsIRL 6,717]

On 5/19/2020 at 7:56 PM, Reavern said:

Hype is a tool used to trick gullible fools with poor self-control. You're advocating for exploitative marketing techniques designed to extract money from the most susceptible consumers. How noble. 🙄

 

On 5/20/2020 at 12:13 AM, Reavern said:

Pay attention, because this might be very difficult for you to follow.

 

On 5/20/2020 at 12:13 AM, Reavern said:

Shocking, I know. That fans of something are excited and eager to learn more about that thing. This is a revelation. It's almost as if you give people a glimpse of something they want to see, they will want to see more of it later. It may seem absurd to some people, but it's true.

All on page 1.

I guess we're just not inclusive enough to tolerate people namecalling and insulting others because they disagree with them.  Oh well.

It must be hard to think of yourself as the smartest person in the room when no one wants to be in the room with with you.

You go to direct, BOLD insults on page 2.

No one has insulted you yet, merely disagreed with your obvious superior intellect.  How DARE they?

It is only after your directed BOLD insults that someone calls you a troll.

Go away.  We're not including you because you suck, and can't argue in good faith without insulting other people's intelligence.  And as it turns out, we don't have to.

[geek19 6,557]

You've convinced me! By calling all of us sheep 5 different times in this thread (I counted) you've sufficiently yelled at me enough to agree with you! I BOW DOWN to your mastery of argumentation and I RESPECT WHATEVER IT IS YOU WANT IT TO MEAN AT THIS TIME.

I know at the start we tried engaging you in good faith and said things suggesting they reveal new products at GenCon but you said you dont want it and you want like 4 ships a year, no matter how impossible that is to test or release and or make different from each other (did you read @BiggsIRL's post about testing or just skip it?) And you wanted FFG to tell you everything immediately to make an informed choice, even though their marketing strategy isnt that way anymore, but this was OUR MISTAKE! WE SHOUKD HAVE LISTENED TO YOUR UNASSAILABLE ARGUMENTS AND SAVED OURSELVES TIME!

Guys hes right, we're too nice to FFG. Let's all start yelling about how much we hate this game we love because we're all sheep and lapdogs to our corporate FFG masters! By yelling EVEN LOUDER, FFG will hear us and respond by giving us exactly what we want, no matter how ludicrous our demands are!

I call for a vote of No Confidence in Chancellor Asmodee! We free people of the Flat Earth Society SHALL BE HEARD! The reckoning is upon us! When will FFG reveal that they've been putting fluoride in our water to poison our minds to the thought of 12 expansions a year! THOUGHT LEADERS SHOUKD FOLLOW THE EBITDA OF MY DEMANDS!!

#TRUSTNO1 #FREEPLENOTSHEEPLE #FLATEARTH2020

[The Jabbawookie 5,610]

1 minute ago, Reavern said:

I know that I've won the debate.

Shall we assemble a panel to judge?

Because I guarantee you’re the only person here who thinks you’ve won, which in a debate objectively means you haven’t.

Not only have you not changed minds, you’ve been unhinged enough to make people argue in favor of the FFG release schedule.  That’s hard to do.

5 minutes ago, Reavern said:

Can any of you honestly claim that you've tried to include me and treated me fairly and equally?

 

Absolutely.  You don’t care about our opinions and mock people for them.  And the favor is returned.
You’re not happy being equal, you want to stand, woke and red-pilled, above the faceless sheep.  Heaven forbid someone offer a dissenting viewpoint; you barely read it enough to refute it.

Even if everything you said were objectively true, your complete lack of emotional intelligence or respect for others comes across as flat-out narcissistic.  That alone sinks any attempt you make to win anyone over.  At what point do you look at this thread and say “nobody agrees with my message, and many actively oppose it now.”

Not from a point of self-reflection, but just a rational assessment of what you’ve accomplished.

 

[BiggsIRL 6,717]

16 minutes ago, Reavern said:

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inclusivity: the quality of trying to include many different types of people and treat them all fairly and equally.

 

We treated you fairly.  Get out.

[geek19 6,557]

1 minute ago, The Jabbawookie said:

Shall we assemble a panel to judge?

Because I guarantee you’re the only person here who thinks you’ve won, which in a debate objectively means you haven’t.

Not only have you not changed minds, you’ve been unhinged enough to make people argue in favor of the FFG release schedule.  That’s hard to do.

Absolutely.  You don’t care about our opinions and mock people for them.  And the favor is returned.
You’re not happy being equal, you want to stand, woke and red-pilled, above the faceless sheep.  Heaven forbid someone offer a dissenting viewpoint; you barely read it enough to refute it.

Even if everything you said were objectively true, your complete lack of emotional intelligence or respect for others comes across as flat-out narcissistic.  That alone sinks any attempt you make to win anyone over.  At what point do you look at this thread and say “nobody agrees with my message, and many actively oppose it now.”

Not from a point of self-reflection, but just a rational assessment of what you’ve accomplished.

 

Also I like your new profile pic.

[Formynder4 810]

22 minutes ago, Reavern said:

Can any of you honestly claim that you've tried to include me and treated me fairly and equally?

Inclusivity is dependent on people who are open-minded, tolerant, and accepting. Those are virtuous traits that none of you possess. And I'm not naive enough to believe you'll actually feel ashamed about that, because you're also clearly incapable of introspection and acknowledging your own character flaws.

I know I'm not perfect, but that doesn't mean I won't resolutely stand by my principles and opinions.

Do any of you have principles?

Because the only "principled" stance I've observed here is "Defend FFG, no matter what." That's tribalism. It's not about being right or wrong, it's purely about defending "your tribe."

This thread could've had a constructive discussion and brainstorming session about how FFG could reveal Clone Wars Armada to the world now that GenCon has been cancelled.

But instead, all of you have just been shouting "SHUT UP AND FFG WILL REVEAL CLONE WARS ARMADA WHENEVER THEY WANT TO!!!"