My Brother, My Enemy [Mafia]

[PodRacer 1,077]

Was just checking in to see if anything like a concensus had been reached.

I'd ask @Madaghmire who he perceived as a threat to @CaribbeanNinja when he protected him?

 

[FortyInRed 380]

3 hours ago, Matt3412 said:

@Madaghmire 

You really need to awnser this 

Based on his answer I can either clear him or nail him.

 

4 hours ago, ovinomanc3r said:

Agree, however Forty’s move is really risky nailing auto loose. If he faked claim doc they would open the door for the true counter claim. Which points to both Ghost and Forty as scum. We would just have to check the claim thing to take both down.

to me it feels bad the game could be over by now, but who knows. That kind of things happen I guess.

 

3 hours ago, Matt3412 said:

@Madaghmire 

You really need to awnser this 

I do actually have a plan here.

We apparently can't quote mod PMs but if @Madaghmireis able to provide the correct came for the role that would back up his counter claim.

If he can't, we've got him.

I can't quote what Jabba sent me, but I don't see providing the exact name of my role as a violation of the rules. Anyone who has played a game Jabba has modded in past should agree it's consistent with how he names things. 

If you feel the need to kill me, that's fine. I'm town/clone. I'm willing to die for the cause.

[Bertie Wooster 1,857]

@PodRacer Is it possible that confining GNIP to his quarters last night might have saved him from death? Does your role work like jailkeeper, or more like town roleblocker?

[Bertie Wooster 1,857]

@FortyInRed Yeah saying the name of your role shouldn't count as quoting a PM.

[The Jabbawookie 5,610]

11 minutes ago, FortyInRed said:

We apparently can't quote mod PMs but if @Madaghmireis able to provide the correct came for the role that would back up his counter claim.

If he can't, we've got him.

I can't quote what Jabba sent me, but I don't see providing the exact name of my role as a violation of the rules. Anyone who has played a game Jabba has modded in past should agree it's consistent with how he names things. 

 

9 minutes ago, Bertie Wooster said:

@FortyInRed Yeah saying the name of your role shouldn't count as quoting a PM.

Only if you're referring to the mechanical name.  Anything else is flavor.

Otherwise all PMs are either personalized, or nobody is ever be able to fakeclaim.  I'm not saying which is true, because the point of the approach is defeated either way.

On 1/22/2019 at 2:48 PM, The Jabbawookie said:

Are you referring the wording of the PM you (or anyone else) received?  That is not a tool for you to scumhunt with.

 

Edited May 12 by The Jabbawookie

[Bertie Wooster 1,857]

1 minute ago, The Jabbawookie said:

Only if you're referring to the mechanical name.  Anything else is flavor.

What is the "mechanical name"?

[CaribbeanNinja 6,207]

I think we need to wait for the Mads/Forty situation and go from there.

[The Jabbawookie 5,610]

20 minutes ago, Bertie Wooster said:

What is the "mechanical name"?

In all role PMs I include both a "flavor name" (e.g. Pong Krell Traitorous Jedi) and a "mechanical name" (e.g. Serial Killer.)

Serial Killer can reasonably be considered open information.

Pong Krell Traitorous Jedi cannot, and is there solely for flavor.  The same is true for specific wording.

Edit: this was a bad example because there wouldn't be multiple "Pong Krells" in a game.  I've amended it to make more sense.

Edited May 12 by The Jabbawookie

[FortyInRed 380]

Well piss. There goes my plan of "scum hunting" as Jabba put it. 

Perhaps there is another way we can test this.

If I announce who I am protecting in advance, and so does Mads, and one of those players being protected gets killed, then one of us is lying, right?

Or is there some mechanic where even a protected player can be killed?

[CaribbeanNinja 6,207]

I don't see why stating your flavor name would be a violation.

At this point, however, unless Mads pulls some good **** outta you know where, I'm more inclined to believe Forty is town due to his insistence.

[Bertie Wooster 1,857]

@FortyInRed Are you a Town Doctor, or some other kind of protective role like Bodyguard or Jailkeeper?

[Bertie Wooster 1,857]

2 minutes ago, FortyInRed said:

Well piss. There goes my plan of "scum hunting" as Jabba put it. 

Perhaps there is another way we can test this.

If I announce who I am protecting in advance, and so does Mads, and one of those players being protected gets killed, then one of us is lying, right?

Or is there some mechanic where even a protected player can be killed?

1-Shot Strongman is one way.

[FortyInRed 380]

1 minute ago, Bertie Wooster said:

@FortyInRed Are you a Town Doctor, or some other kind of protective role like Bodyguard or Jailkeeper?

 

Just now, Bertie Wooster said:

1-Shot Strongman is one way.

Darn. There goes plan B.

I'm a town doctor (intentionally not revealing my "flavor" at this time though)

[The Jabbawookie 5,610]

7 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

I don't see why stating your flavor name would be a violation.

If you use different words than the ones I used, it isn't.  If it's clearly specific to your PM, it's also totally fine.

Otherwise I would consider it quoting a mod PM, both in technicality and in spirit.

For the record, flavor implementation is a balance I can struggle with.  If people would prefer I use the only the Mafiascum role PM format in the future, I understand and am happy to work with that because it's open information I can state up front.

Edited May 12 by The Jabbawookie

[CaribbeanNinja 6,207]

Yeah and also trying to eek out info from flavor text (when it isn't specifically part of the game) is kinda lame.

[FortyInRed 380]

10 minutes ago, The Jabbawookie said:

14 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

I don't see why stating your flavor name would be a violation.

If you use different words than the ones I used, it isn't.  If it's clearly specific to your PM, it's also totally fine.

Otherwise I would consider it quoting a mod PM, both in technicality and in spirit.

I don't understand the difference here. 

I won't reveal my flavor till I'm sure I'm not breaking the game for all (and until Mads has a chance to defend themself)

[Bertie Wooster 1,857]

1 minute ago, FortyInRed said:

I don't understand the difference here. 

I won't reveal my flavor till I'm sure I'm not breaking the game for all (and until Mads has a chance to defend themself)

I think Jabba is saying don't reveal your flavor--just saying that you're "town doctor" is sufficient.

If your PM says you're a "clone healer" or something specific like that, don't quote it.

[The Jabbawookie 5,610]

1 minute ago, Bertie Wooster said:

I think Jabba is saying don't reveal your flavor--just saying that you're "town doctor" is sufficient.

If your PM says you're a "clone healer" or something specific like that, don't quote it.

Exactly.  And if I told you your name was Longshot, you could tell people because that's personal to your PM.

 

Basically the point is this: if you have to specifically quote part of a mod PM to get results, there's a rule against quoting mod PMs.

 

[FortyInRed 380]

1 minute ago, The Jabbawookie said:

Exactly.  And if I told you your name was Longshot, you could tell people because that's personal to your PM.

 

Basically the point is this: if you have to specifically quote part of a mod PM to get results, there's a rule against quoting mod PMs.

 

That makes sense, thanks. 

[FortyInRed 380]

While you're here @The Jabbawookie can  we get a vote count and indication of how much time is left today?

[The Jabbawookie 5,610]

On 5/11/2020 at 12:12 PM, The Jabbawookie said:

Day 2 has begun, and will end in 48 hours at 8 PM GMT.

@GhostofNobodyInParticular: (L-5)

@Matt3412: (L-5)

@FortyInRed: (L-5)

@ovinomanc3r: (L-5)

@Battlefleet 01 Studios: (L-5)

@CaribbeanNinja: (L-5)

@PodRacer: Matt3412 (L-4)

 

@Bertie Wooster (Brig, Cryptic)

@Madaghmire (Brig, Town Doc)

23.5 hours left.

Edited May 12 by The Jabbawookie

[Bertie Wooster 1,857]

So here's the thing.

Pod allegedly roleblocks (or jailkeeps?) GNIP.
Forty allegedly protects Madaghmire.
Madaghmire allegedly protects CNinja.
There was no night kill.

If Forty is doc and Madaghmire is scum, then why was there no night kill? Because GNIP is also scum and was roleblocked, most likely.
If Madaghmire is doc and Forty is scum, then why was there no night kill? Could be because CNinja was targeted by scum, or because GNIP is also scum and was roleblocked.

I think GNIP is looking likely scummy.

[GhostofNobodyInParticular 2,493]

5 minutes ago, Bertie Wooster said:

So here's the thing.

Pod allegedly roleblocks (or jailkeeps?) GNIP.
Forty allegedly protects Madaghmire.
Madaghmire allegedly protects CNinja.
There was no night kill.

If Forty is doc and Madaghmire is scum, then why was there no night kill? Because GNIP is also scum and was roleblocked, most likely.
If Madaghmire is doc and Forty is scum, then why was there no night kill? Could be because CNinja was targeted by scum, or because GNIP is also scum and was roleblocked.

I think GNIP is looking likely scummy.

It does seem rather condemning, which is annoying 'cause I didn't do anything. Odd as it seems, is there a possibility for both Forty and Mad to be docs? I would imagine that scum would as a result have pretty powerful roles, and I find the situation unlikely, but I can't think of anything else that would explain it. Unless somebody is bulletproof, but I hardly would advocate claiming so. I think there has been enough damage done already through claims.

[CaribbeanNinja 6,207]

@Madaghmireget in here and explain yourself before everybody does all of your explaining for you! 🙂

 

[Bertie Wooster 1,857]

4 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

It does seem rather condemning, which is annoying 'cause I didn't do anything. Odd as it seems, is there a possibility for both Forty and Mad to be docs? I would imagine that scum would as a result have pretty powerful roles, and I find the situation unlikely, but I can't think of anything else that would explain it. Unless somebody is bulletproof, but I hardly would advocate claiming so. I think there has been enough damage done already through claims.

For a 9-person game, seems very unlikely.

I don't know what scum roles might be but I do think the "cryptic" keyword favors scum over town. Depending on how many of us unknowingly have that hidden keyword, scumhunting is going to be more difficult when we send someone to the brig but don't know if they're town or scum afterwards.