No Iden article?

[Mep 2,291]

17 minutes ago, Tirion said:

Yeah this is my thought, but the power creep looks real at this point which is a shame.....

If the new stuff isn't better than the old stuff, why buy the new stuff? Been FFG's business model for years. Nothing new here. At least they gave the core trooper units an upgrade kit you can spend more money on to make them not suck.

[arnoldrew 1,713]

Just now, NeverTellMeTheOdds said:

She seems ok, not nearly as good as Cassian, but I’m ok with that. I can’t see playing her over as my main commander, and I can’t see replacing Bossk with her, but they’re close. I think the companion droid is terrible. 

Seriously? Just talking about the droid, it gives her a hit point, a shield, and extra 3 White Dice with Suppressive if they get to Range one for 15 points. It's an auto-equip. It also gives you access to another command card.

[Darth evil 906]

Boba really needs a point reduction this summer, a fully kitted Iden with gun, 2 training upgrades and ID10 is 140 points

[NeverTellMeTheOdds 219]

7 minutes ago, arnoldrew said:

Seriously? Just talking about the droid, it gives her a hit point, a shield, and extra 3 White Dice with Suppressive if they get to Range one for 15 points. It's an auto-equip. It also gives you access to another command card.

No way I’m taking that command card as one of my 2 pips. I’m just not a huge fan of most of her command cards. I like the 3 pip. She seems to be a in that weird space between being an army leader (veers, Krennic) and a super solo (Vader). I’m not saying she’s bad. She seems sold. I think she fits into the Bossk slot well. I just don’t see the power creep. Maybe if inferno squad is crazy with her I’ll change my mind.  

[UnitOmega 2,818]

This conversation is very ironic to me since I would be the only one complaining if they did the TL-50 dirty I think

But, JUST TO GUT CHECK HERE, since I can't stop myself because man, you guys have so many garbage biases clouding your vision right now It's literally not funny, why should Boba Fett be a killing machine? When did the movies ever show him like bodying 50 dudes, or something? When does he bust out his double machine guns? Because just because you didn't pay any attention to Battlefront II, doesn't mean there wasn't a huge media blitz around the game (with Iden and her actress at the center), and even if it was disappointing for EA, it still sold 9 million copies when released. And as the main character of a shooter game, Iden really does nothing but shoot many, many enemies and manage not to die being shot a lot (okay, I died a few times). 

Boba does what Boba should do - he's incredibly mobile with Jump and Speed 3. He's incredibly resilient with Red Surge and Impervious. He's very accurate with Sharpshooter 2 and Surge > Crit, and Bounty means he can contribute to a victory in multiple ways. He can take out a guy pretty good, but his thing is being kind of speedy and dogged - he'll catch you and take you down, but he's not exactly going to eat entire units of Corps per turn, nor should he. Iden's inherent keywords are not as strong as Boba. She has to spend Aim tokens to crit through cover and dodges, etc, and only has pierce on her sniper and E-11. She does have Nimble, but needs to spend an action to get a Dodge token, as dodges are not an Imperial thing (also makes her vulnerable to sniping). She can be shielded, but that's still vulnerable to focus fire. Iden can just wipe out entire squads with her big gun, but that means you're playing her up-close and in the business, not from range with her sniper (which is much more metered Offense). And she's not particularly mobile (and if you fall for the trap of "I can just infiltrate right next to them and shoot them up" you'll die, Jyn and Paths have shown this), where as you can probably pretty easily shenanigans boba into a good firing range. Iden is good, especially with all the bells and whistles, but I don't think she's necessarily punching above her weight class, and the only thing she does is punch. 

[NeverTellMeTheOdds 219]

Am I the only one who thinks it’s weird that she has red saves when she’s wearing the same or maybe even less armor thab scout troopers? The rest of inferno squad as well. 

Edited March 12 by NeverTellMeTheOdds

[Mep 2,291]

Well if you wanted a generic commander with 3 courage that can snipe and delete an enemy sniper unit turn one for 115 points, she fits the bill. When you factor in the deleted sniper unit on the other side, her cost actually isn't to bad for a generic commander that snipes.

Of course you can just have her get in the mix and delete units too but the fact there are two completely different ways to play her is rather cool. Also, sniper hate....

[Kirjath08 185]

6 minutes ago, NeverTellMeTheOdds said:

Am I the only one who thinks it’s weird that she has red saves when she’s wearing the same or maybe even less armor thab scout troopers? The rest of inferno squad as well. 

I think it's due to armor being an abstraction. A red save for a storm trooper and a red save for a jedi are very different things, as most jedi aren't wearing armor either. It's just how good they are at avoiding/absorbing/deflecting incoming fire or punishment.

[Darth Sanguis 6,327]

1 minute ago, Kirjath08 said:

I think it's due to armor being an abstraction. A red save for a storm trooper and a red save for a jedi are very different things, as most jedi aren't wearing armor either. It's just how good they are at avoiding/absorbing/deflecting incoming fire or punishment.

exactly the pajama ninjas aren't wearing armor but get red saves. I think it accounts for combat training as well. 

[ScummyRebel 5,346]

36 minutes ago, Mep said:

If the new stuff isn't better than the old stuff, why buy the new stuff? Been FFG's business model for years. Nothing new here. At least they gave the core trooper units an upgrade kit you can spend more money on to make them not suck.

Except the stormtrooper one didn’t make them better. DLT19 is still the best jack of all trades heavy weapon for them, and really all the competitive players abandoned them for shores. 

Some people would buy new stuff at the same power curve for variety, especially if it allowed you to explore a space differently.
 

X-wing 2.0 has been around for what, a year and a half now? Maybe 6 months less than legion? And it has none of this creep: just variety. 

[Darth Sanguis 6,327]

5 minutes ago, ScummyRebel said:

X-wing 2.0 has been around for what, a year and a half now? Maybe 6 months less than legion? And it has none of this creep: just variety. 

Okay to be fair though they've had what, 8 years of play testing through the 1st edition to avoid similar mistakes? Go find all those 1.0 jumpmaster ship cards with slots punched out from all the erratas. lol Also they have regular price reworks.

Hardly an equal situation.  

Edited March 12 by Darth Sanguis

[Bobmc 74]

58 minutes ago, ScummyRebel said:

I definitely think that the new GAR and CIS stuff we’ve seen so far are not power creeped like this (exception goes to the heavies in comparison to old heavies). The new corps that just dropped don’t look significantly better than their counterparts corps. 

Lol, Rex drops 6 red w/ surge, ss1 and a free aim token, what are you even talking about

[ScummyRebel 5,346]

3 minutes ago, Bobmc said:

Lol, Rex drops 6 red w/ surge, ss1 and a free aim token, what are you even talking about

Rex is also limited to range 1-2 (possibly 3 on a single turn) and has to rely solely on his defense die or being out of sight to survive. Doesn’t have red die with nimble permadodge and a shield to use each round. Plus a one round bonus weapon with a lot more dice and keywords.

[UnitOmega 2,818]

Rex is about to get a pretty cheap Jump though. 

[Memorare 206]

How is she only 100 points?! A ton of keywords, excellent wounds and a red save. 

[gothound 60]

5 hours ago, ScummyRebel said:

Iden is bonkers good, aside from avoiding pierce. I’m not sure what to think now... feels like auto include unless you’re trying to run the bounty hunters for bounty 

Couldnt you run 2 hunters, her as a commander, and have her become and op at the start?

[buckero0 1,956]

This does seem a little too good and the command cards from what we can see are part of the Overpowered chatter. Sure the 3 pip is maybe not as useful (other than getting all your SForces faceup command tokens) and I can't see all of D10 droid's card, but 1pip and 2 pip are really good.  Concussive blast will wipe out half a squad or more of nearly any faction and Pulse Scan should allow you to shoot twice. 

The TL-50 gun makes her stronger than most tanks for a fraction of the cost.

She definately should not have 6 health AND red defense AND 3 courage.  Everyother figure in the game that has anything close to those combinations costs close to 200pts except Luke who is 160

[jocke01 920]

4 hours ago, UnitOmega said:

This conversation is very ironic to me since I would be the only one complaining if they did the TL-50 dirty I think

But, JUST TO GUT CHECK HERE, since I can't stop myself because man, you guys have so many garbage biases clouding your vision right now It's literally not funny, why should Boba Fett be a killing machine? When did the movies ever show him like bodying 50 dudes, or something? When does he bust out his double machine guns? Because just because you didn't pay any attention to Battlefront II, doesn't mean there wasn't a huge media blitz around the game (with Iden and her actress at the center), and even if it was disappointing for EA, it still sold 9 million copies when released. And as the main character of a shooter game, Iden really does nothing but shoot many, many enemies and manage not to die being shot a lot (okay, I died a few times). 

Boba does what Boba should do - he's incredibly mobile with Jump and Speed 3. He's incredibly resilient with Red Surge and Impervious. He's very accurate with Sharpshooter 2 and Surge > Crit, and Bounty means he can contribute to a victory in multiple ways. He can take out a guy pretty good, but his thing is being kind of speedy and dogged - he'll catch you and take you down, but he's not exactly going to eat entire units of Corps per turn, nor should he. Iden's inherent keywords are not as strong as Boba. She has to spend Aim tokens to crit through cover and dodges, etc, and only has pierce on her sniper and E-11. She does have Nimble, but needs to spend an action to get a Dodge token, as dodges are not an Imperial thing (also makes her vulnerable to sniping). She can be shielded, but that's still vulnerable to focus fire. Iden can just wipe out entire squads with her big gun, but that means you're playing her up-close and in the business, not from range with her sniper (which is much more metered Offense). And she's not particularly mobile (and if you fall for the trap of "I can just infiltrate right next to them and shoot them up" you'll die, Jyn and Paths have shown this), where as you can probably pretty easily shenanigans boba into a good firing range. Iden is good, especially with all the bells and whistles, but I don't think she's necessarily punching above her weight class, and the only thing she does is punch. 

My point is that comparing the 2 bounty hunters with her, she seems to be getting a whole lot for 100p base. With some upgrades making her 130-150 she looks to have better firepower, more command card use and works as a commander. The bounty hunters have bounty that in My experience rarely trigger and even when it does, it only helps the player win more (milage will vary).

I agree she should shoot stuff and be powerful, but comparing her to operatives in and out of faction my gut feeling is that she is 15-25p too cheap. This will of course need to be tested on the table.

Should Boba run around anhiliating squads? No

Should she be a little more expensive? Imo yes.

Also why should she be powerful just cause EA sold alot of copies?

Edited March 12 by jocke01

[Memorare 206]

4 hours ago, Darth evil said:

Boba really needs a point reduction this summer, a fully kitted Iden with gun, 2 training upgrades and ID10 is 140 points

At this rate, everyone needs a point reduction. Compare Iden to Han/Leia/Jyn/Chewie/Veers/Krenic...its kinda absurd. 

[Tirion 2,223]

41 minutes ago, buckero0 said:

This does seem a little too good and the command cards from what we can see are part of the Overpowered chatter. Sure the 3 pip is maybe not as useful (other than getting all your SForces faceup command tokens) and I can't see all of D10 droid's card, but 1pip and 2 pip are really good.  Concussive blast will wipe out half a squad or more of nearly any faction and Pulse Scan should allow you to shoot twice. 

The TL-50 gun makes her stronger than most tanks for a fraction of the cost.

She definately should not have 6 health AND red defense AND 3 courage.  Everyother figure in the game that has anything close to those combinations costs close to 200pts except Luke who is 160

Solid analysis, agree with the thesis

But someone IS close to those combinations 

DUN DUN DUUUUUUUN

Jyn Erso herself 6 health 3 courage and as close as you can be to a red defense dice, mwahahahahahahah

Edited March 13 by Tirion

[buckero0 1,956]

28 minutes ago, jocke01 said:

I agree she should shoot stuff and be powerful, but comparing her to operatives in and out of faction my gut feeling is that she is 15-25p too cheap. This will of course need to be tested on the table.

Should Boba run around anhiliating squads? No

Should she be a little more expensive? Imo yes.

For less than 145pts

8 equivalent health (shield and droid add at least 2)

Red die defense with Nimble and ability to gain Aim&Dodge for 1 action

Interchangeable Gear and Training slots filled

super gun Range 3, 2 reds, 1 black 2 whites with surge to hit and Marksman (get crits if you need them in the army that has the easiest time getting aim tokens)

kickin' command cards, the standard in great courage values

I'm trying to think why you would ever take Vader

[buckero0 1,956]

5 minutes ago, Tirion said:

Solid analysis, agree with the thesis

But someone IS close to those combinations 

DUN DUN DUUUUUUUN

Jyn Erso herself 6 health 3 courage and as close as you can be to a red defense dice, mwahahahahahahah

everytime.

Where do you live?  I may have to fly in just to play a whirlwind 6 games of Legion with you just to see how great Jyn is

 

[Tirion 2,223]

25 minutes ago, Memorare said:

At this rate, everyone needs a point reduction. Compare Iden to Han/Leia/Jyn/Chewie/Veers/Krenic...its kinda absurd. 

Or ya know they could just tone back iden

[Tirion 2,223]

Just now, buckero0 said:

everytime.

Where do you live?  I may have to fly in just to play a whirlwind 6 games of Legion with you just to see how great Jyn is

 

Hahahaha I couldn't help it! PNW

[buckero0 1,956]

7 minutes ago, Tirion said:

Hahahaha I couldn't help it! PNW

I'm sure the corona virus will keep me a way for a bit, just like all the new FFG releases, 

I actually plan to play Jyn this weekend . . . what's your favorite build for her?

I was thinking her rifle config, duck n' cover, but I don't know if a command is worth it.