topacesteve 59 Posted February 19 Just for clarification, can Whisper use the gained evade token when the attack hits to use Juke on the Opponent??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thespaceinvader 17,568 Posted February 19 No. The attack is not determined to have hit until well after the opportunity to use Juke has passed. 2 Stoneface and topacesteve reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Singulativ 197 Posted February 19 Whisper gains the token after the attack hits. An attack hits at the End of step 4 if at least one [hit] or [crit] result remains uncanceled; otherwise, the attack misses. Therefore the next step is 5 where Whisper cannot use her ability. 2 topacesteve and Schu81 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lyianx 1,434 Posted February 19 For reference... 3 1 nitrobenz, Schu81, topacesteve and 1 other reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maui. 2,815 Posted February 19 (edited) Sorry to pile on, but we've covered Whisper's extra evade timing really well without mentioning Juke's timing at all, which could very well be a source of confusion. Juke is a dice modification. Dice modifications happen at a specific time (basically, immediately after the dice are rolled). So an attack with juke Whisper looks like this: 1) Declare target / measure range / pay costs etc 2) Attacker rolls attack dice a) Defender mods attack dice b) Attacker mods attack dice 3) Defender rolls defense dice a) Attacker mods defense dice <-------- [JUKE HAPPENS HERE] b) Defender mods defense dice 4) Neutralize results a) Evades cancel hits b) Evades cancel crits c) Determine hit/miss <--------- [WHISPER ABILITY HAPPENS HERE] 5) Damage Edited February 19 by Maui. 8 Stoneface, pakirby, topacesteve and 5 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites