Tonbo Karasu 2,606 Posted February 19 (edited) So it appears that with Path of Waves we have everything we're going to get officially for this edition. But I'd like to look at this a bit more positively. The system actually seems quite well rounded-out to me, particularly with the extra Kata and Shuji from Path of Waves. That said there are things which are missing and could do with a bit of input from the players. I'd like to try to gather opinions of what is needed and what is nice to have mechanically and 'fluffily', then see what we can do about it. I'll start out with my opinions. Mechanics Needed Extended Mass Battles DIY Minor Clan creation Extended Kiho list Nice to Have Moth Clan dream mechanics Shugenja duels DIY Technique creation Fluff Needed Cat and Moth background Yobanjin Nice to Have Missing Minor Clan background differences Any additional ideas gratefully received. Edited February 19 by Tonbo Karasu Duplicate item! 2 neilcell and Magnus Grendel reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alisair Longreach 221 Posted February 19 Several "missing" Schools: Crane: Asahina Archer, Daidoji Harrier, Daidoji Scout, Doji Rhetorician, Kakita Artisan Lion: Akodo kensai, Matsu Beastmaster, Ikoma Historian Phoenix: Asako Henshin, Isawa Void Adept Titles: Sensei, Lion Deathseeker 1 neilcell reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magnus Grendel 11,673 Posted February 19 More on Mass Battles, I think. The Beta, for example, included an opportunity table for cohort commanders in mass battles, and of all the conflict scenes it feels like the one which is most awkward. 1 T_Kageyasu reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harzerkatze 262 Posted February 19 54 minutes ago, Magnus Grendel said: More on Mass Battles, I think. The Beta, for example, included an opportunity table for cohort commanders in mass battles, and of all the conflict scenes it feels like the one which is most awkward. Seconded. And more on Intrigues, too. I'd say we have enough schools, kata, invocation, shuji, and while more kiho would be appreciated, I do not see that as an area critically underdeveloped. But Mass Battles are barely playable, and we'd need more than 4 army types, too, especially as their power level diverges so much that they can hardly fight another except samurai vs. Monsters. And while Intrigues do work, they offer way less variation than skirmish or duel, so they need strengthening. And being who I am, I'd appreciate a Monster Manual, too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonbo Karasu 2,606 Posted February 19 1 hour ago, Alisair Longreach said: Several "missing" Schools: Crane: Asahina Archer, Daidoji Harrier, Daidoji Scout, Doji Rhetorician, Kakita Artisan Lion: Akodo kensai, Matsu Beastmaster, Ikoma Historian Phoenix: Asako Henshin, Isawa Void Adept Titles: Sensei, Lion Deathseeker Titles, good point. I think we also need Kuroiban for the Scorpion, possibly a Swordsmith for the Agasha. I think we need to be careful with re-making new schools for existing Clans. Because of the way 5e schools work, they can be broader. The Daidoji Scout and Harrier can be variants of the same one, I think, or make Harrier a title giving access to Ninjutsu techniques 2 neilcell and Myrion reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ajtheronin 40 Posted February 19 Not needed but a tradition: A city box set. I wouldn't mind a new version of City of Lies (and hire Greg Stolze to work on it). If not that, some place "new". 2 Magnus Grendel and Suzume Chikahisa reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magnus Grendel 11,673 Posted February 19 45 minutes ago, ajtheronin said: If not that, some place "new". Gotei Port would be cool. It's the next biggest, after all, and radically different. 1 neilcell reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ajtheronin 40 Posted February 19 31 minutes ago, Magnus Grendel said: Gotei Port would be cool. It's the next biggest, after all, and radically different. That would be pretty cool indeed. And different without been that different, like the Second City box set. 1 neilcell reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonbo Karasu 2,606 Posted February 19 1 hour ago, ajtheronin said: Not needed but a tradition: A city box set. I wouldn't mind a new version of City of Lies (and hire Greg Stolze to work on it). If not that, some place "new". 1 hour ago, Magnus Grendel said: Gotei Port would be cool. It's the next biggest, after all, and radically different. I have two thoughts Khanbulak - It's new in this edition, has been teased a bit in the fiction and sounds really cool. A Moto city literally on the border of Rokugan, in fact half of it is outside the Empire. There's apparently a Qamarist temple in it. City of the Rich Frog - with it's new look 4-part layout and a different Governor on each side of the rivers, you could do so much politics with this. Also, there's Dragonfly. 5 Nheko, neilcell, Magnus Grendel and 2 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Goken91 9 Posted February 19 More minor clans. 1 Nheko reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Avatar111 553 Posted February 19 (edited) honestly not much, aside new locations and lore. schools if you want, seem like with Path of wave they have a "design your own school" thingy. titles? if you are into that. cleaning up and adjustments for the different conflict types. especially mass battles and intrigues, but they all could use clean up to be fair. still, nothing mandatory, people play how they want anyway. I think it is mechanically "done enough". doesn't need more. Edited February 19 by Avatar111 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UnitOmega 2,818 Posted February 19 I think I basically agree with the top list. A big book of minor clans would be great to have, and if not, apply the rules and guidance it seems like we have forthcoming for ronin/gaijin to making your own minors, and I think Kiho could use some expanding. There might be more social agendas in Path of Waves(?) but otherwise, some more mass combat and intrigue options wouldn't be awful. I'd like to add Void/Shadow magic to the "like to have" though, I feel like kagedo and the Ishiken are kind of upsold by this version of the lore and I'd love to have a mechanical framework for it. I'd like a lot of schools officially, but most of that can be handled by homebrew also. 1 Myrion reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magnus Grendel 11,673 Posted February 20 15 hours ago, Tonbo Karasu said: Khanbulak - It's new in this edition, has been teased a bit in the fiction and sounds really cool. A Moto city literally on the border of Rokugan, in fact half of it is outside the Empire. There's apparently a Qamarist temple in it. I forgot that Khanbulak was new. That'd be a nice one to look at, as well. The whole literal 'drop dead' curfew would make for an interesting set of rules, too. 1 Myrion reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
neilcell 252 Posted February 20 14 hours ago, Magnus Grendel said: I forgot that Khanbulak was new. That'd be a nice one to look at, as well. The whole literal 'drop dead' curfew would make for an interesting set of rules, too. New or simply re-imagined? FFG seems to have put that "city" at about the same location as Bugaisha (Outsider Keep). The roles of both holdings seems to be very similar. 1 Suzume Chikahisa reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Goken91 9 Posted February 21 Armor and weapon patterns. I thought that was so cool in the Shadowlands book and I want more. 4 Suzume Chikahisa, jalrin, Tonbo Karasu and 1 other reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Suzume Chikahisa 313 Posted February 21 Void Magic for me is a very big one. 4 Tenebrae, Tonbo Karasu, jalrin and 1 other reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magnus Grendel 11,673 Posted February 24 On 2/21/2020 at 7:43 PM, Suzume Chikahisa said: Void Magic for me is a very big one. We have seen a Shinobi in the fiction using void-magic, so it'd be nice to see. 1 Suzume Chikahisa reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sharatec 84 Posted February 24 On 2/21/2020 at 8:43 PM, Suzume Chikahisa said: Void Magic for me is a very big one. Seems like we're getting it in Celestial Realms. 😍 2 Suzume Chikahisa and Myrion reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Suzume Chikahisa 313 Posted February 24 1 hour ago, Sharatec said: Seems like we're getting it in Celestial Realms. 😍 Fingers crossed.😁 1 Sharatec reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UnitOmega 2,818 Posted February 24 Not really crossed, they announced the book, say void will be in it, and Katrina herself tweeted the Ishiken will be represented. 3 Suzume Chikahisa, Sharatec and Tonbo Karasu reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
