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Losing interest: Hyperspace is stale, and I’m uninterested

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3 hours ago, mcintma said:

If I ever write a manga, this is what I'm calling it

Heheh.

IT IS ACTUALLY COOL THOUGH. Padme is obviously the target here right? With Adv. Proton Torpedoes and Passive Sensors you don't really wanna' get hurt by her, but with her escorts... Well, good luck shooting her. Managed to annihilate Maul with her, though she died soon after. But everyone else was fine.

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3 minutes ago, KCDodger said:

Heheh.

IT IS ACTUALLY COOL THOUGH. Padme is obviously the target here right? With Adv. Proton Torpedoes and Passive Sensors you don't really wanna' get hurt by her, but with her escorts... Well, good luck shooting her. Managed to annihilate Maul with her, though she died soon after. But everyone else was fine.

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16 minutes ago, Cgriffith said:

Every list until January always had Darth Vader or Anakin Skywalker (D7) in it or Rey. I also don’t like Reapers or Strikers. I am using N-1 Anakin currently but am not enjoying myself.

Vader is still good. Fenn is somewhat similar to Vader.

Rey is banished because the ship isn't reprinted, but Han or Boba or Maul do similar kinds of things.

Anakin (and Delta 7) are banished, but CLT Obi-wan is still good, and Kylo does similar things in the format.

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@Cgriffith okay that would be frustrating I would say check see if there is alternative store/club near you.  If not take a break.

Once store championships end people will gravitate back to extended for worlds practice.

Theres nothing wrong with taking a break one of my biggest mistakes in 1.0 was not sitting out "Nymgar" it was miserable.  

In a way hyperspace is replacing the 1.0 arms race where it seemed like every wave countered an archetype from the previous wave and buffed another.  I like this better as 1.0 made too many ships obsolete while hyperspace just puts them on the shelf for a bit. 

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1 hour ago, Cgriffith said:

Okay before I begin I understand this is a unpopular opinion. I understand that most most believe Hyperspace is in a good place and it might be but not for me, and potentially others. With the newest changes I lost a lot of interest because the pilots I normally fly lost wing mates, were removed from Hyperspace all together seem so powerless that running them seems like investing into a lot of points just to lose out on efficiency. I have tried other avenues but at this point I may walk away from the game for awhile or possibly for ever. For reference the pilots I like to fly (Vader/Anakin I know N-1 Anakin exists and I use him but I preferred Delta 7 better); and (Rey) not Hyperspace at all. How is Rey the protagonist of the ST not Hyperspace?

 The iconic pilots should’ve stayed Hyperspace and there tools just get removed or points increases to make use of them very difficult but when you remove wingmates for Vader, or remove a pilot (Anakin) you create issues, I know many won’t agree but waiting until June to possibly fly my favorites (Vader/Anakin, Rey) again really has turned me off to this game as a whole

 

Cgrif, you mention Anakin in the N-1. Lest he be forgotten he’s also in the Y-wing. Vader is still HS legal just going to fly with different folks. 
 

If your local scene is too much of a format find a casual game outside HS as others have mentioned. At some point everyone is going to have some similar complaints about a favorite pilot being excluded. Heck Wedge being off the list you’d think all of 2.0 has or will implode is you believe the rants of some. 
 

It’s all perspective just try to be positive and test some routes you should be fine.

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17 minutes ago, svelok said:

Vader is still good. Fenn is somewhat similar to Vader.

Rey is banished because the ship isn't reprinted, but Han or Boba or Maul do similar kinds of things.

Anakin (and Delta 7) are banished, but CLT Obi-wan is still good, and Kylo does similar things in the format.

I understand what’s available, and unfortunately some players only do play certain factions/pilots. I myself am one of them. It’s Rey, Anakin or Darth Vader or nothing. Thanks for the thoughtful response though.

3 minutes ago, reqent said:

@Cgriffith okay that would be frustrating I would say check see if there is alternative store/club near you.  If not take a break.

Once store championships end people will gravitate back to extended for worlds practice.

Theres nothing wrong with taking a break one of my biggest mistakes in 1.0 was not sitting out "Nymgar" it was miserable.  

In a way hyperspace is replacing the 1.0 arms race where it seemed like every wave countered an archetype from the previous wave and buffed another.  I like this better as 1.0 made too many ships obsolete while hyperspace just puts them on the shelf for a bit. 

I will definitely be looking at other stores but as to local it’s not really an option. I’m most likely taking a break, because of this unfortunately. I’m actually at a breaking point where I may if changes are not made I may leave the game completely. 

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1 hour ago, Sasajak said:

@Cgriffith Hyperspace =/= X-Wing.  It’s one of three formats.  Have a break from Hyperspace and fly what you want in Extended or Epic.

Technically four formats, if you include Aces High which sounds like a blast.

However, it takes two to tango, and if you're group is playing naught but Hyperspace for list testing / practice pursposes, then what do you do then?

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1 hour ago, Cgriffith said:

Fair but if most my lists center around certain pilots and either those pilots are not Hyperspace legal or have no real viable wing mates to me at least it appears stale.

Darth Vader or Anakin Skywalker ( I know N-1 available but Vader has lost every option) 

Rey (not legal) but Poe and Han are, seems weird.

If you only fly a very small number of things, and a format forces you to mix it up, it's the actual opposite of stale .

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7 minutes ago, Dasharr said:

@Cgriffith What is it that you want from this thread? That's an honest question by the way. Do you want to be persuaded to like hyperspace? Do you want to persuade others not to? Just venting? Without context I don't see this going anywhere productive.

I want to be able to enjoy everything I like about the game (pilots/ships) and unfortunately my local community (as stated before are hyper competitive travelers) and the restrictions of Hyperspace are not allowing me to enjoy the game anymore. 

None of these threads are ever productive due to trolling (of new contrast threads) or that of the X-Wing elites who believe the game is only for them.

5 minutes ago, feltipern1 said:

I'd say it was probably a vent thread.

You’re wrong.

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@Cgriffith I feel your pain. I for one actually enjoy hyperspace, but only in moderation. There are so many toys to play with and test I find that when I limit myself to just one format I burn out. Luckily my local scene is fairly casual and we like to mix things up. Most people are fairly accommodating. If there is something I want to try, I just ask if someone would rather fly extended than hyperspace and I can usually find a few people that will play. I find that if I am willing to try what other people like to do, they are more willing to try something I want to do. Ask if people would be interested in a rotating format, one week extended, another hyperspace, aces high, epic, etc. There are many ways to play the game. If people are being inflexible, then maybe the problem isn't the game, but the people you are playing with. If you are being inflexible, then... Good luck. I wish you the best and hope you find what you need to enjoy this great game.

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1 hour ago, wurms said:

There is nothing wrong with taking a break.

This is what I have done, twice now in second edition I have not picked up a dial for 3 months. Once to play another game, and once because I was a bit bored with it and life had become busier. Take a break from it and you'll come back refreshed and ready to try new things.

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You keep saying you specifically fly "Darth Vader, Rey and Anakin (Jedi)," but Jedi Anakin is in a YWing with one of the most potent single alpha strikes in Hyperspace. You just have to make sure you trade well because he will probably die. Also Darth Vader exists in Hyperspace too, just without Afterburners. If you're SO DEVOTED to Darth Vader, I don't understand why you wouldn't be up to the challenge of finding a way to make him work without Afterburners. *surprise, he's still good*

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1 hour ago, svelok said:

I don't really understand how you can like X-Wing but only if three specific pilots are in it

Really? I totally get this. Sometimes I find a particular ship/pilot/build that’s just such a joy to fly that I get bummed trying to fly it any other way. It can be a combination of game mechanics, lore ties, inter-list combo potential... lots of things. I actively try to develop go-to setups like those within my listbuilding toolbox, because it just plain feels good to fly those things.

I can understand why Hyperspace might be similarly appealing, though; it kicks the anthill every so often and necessitates everyone going back out and finding what’s good now. But TBH I feel like there’s an element of personal taste & appeal that doesn’t always square with what’s good from a tournament perspective. I might prefer flying my favorite build of a pilot, win or lose, even if I might have a better chance of winning with something else. Having a format that tells me I can’t might just make me want to play a format that does.

This is all a bit academic for me, though. My player pool is one friend and occasionally one of my kids, and there’s no way we’re gonna leave most of our collections in the box just ‘cause it’s trendy.

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2 hours ago, Cgriffith said:

You don’t think I’m actively playing, I play every week. Every week it’s Hyperspace. Every week I’ve chosen a different list that has not included ships/pilots I want to fly. Me disinterested.

Bring extended lists. People will play you, at lest they will eventually. I'm not saying to be a jerk, but maybe at least let them know what your situation is and they might be more accommodating than you expect. They might not mind flying their Hyperspace list against your Extended list. I'm going to do this within the next few weeks if everyone keeps camping out in fort Hyperspace.

I think Hyperspace is awesome and I love it, but it was never intended to be the only mode of play. I'm sorry for you that no one wants to play Extended. If it helps I also think Hyperspace gets old if it's all you play week after week. Fun jank lists are fun, and Extended is where those live.

Or you can take a break. You'll be more excited whenever you come back. Just don't leave! If you don't like the current game state, just wait a little while and it will surely change!

Edited by ClassicalMoser
Moderated tone somewhat

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@Cgriffith Thoughts - not sure if you've tried these but worth putting out if you haven't... My local store is very light and not a lot of serious tournament players. Not sure I count as one either, for that matter, but I've been trying to practice some Hyperspace and I don't get a lot of table time.

  • I'll play my hyperspace list vs extended lists - for me it's still practice with my list regardless the outcome.
  • If my list is capable of holding in against an extended list, that's probably a good sign (either by play choices or power choices)
  1. Think it's possible that one or two are open to playing anyway?
  2. Think it'll cool down a bit now that the System Open is out of the way?

 

Breaks are cool and healthy.  Even if they're not by choice... *grumble mutter lousy schedule*

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2 hours ago, Cgriffith said:

Fair but if most my lists center around certain pilots and either those pilots are not Hyperspace legal or have no real viable wing mates to me at least it appears stale.

Darth Vader or Anakin Skywalker ( I know N-1 available but Vader has lost every option) 

Rey (not legal) but Poe and Han are, seems weird.

Its fairly obvious why Rey isn't legal. They have not re-released the Resistance Falcon yet. Hyperspace is pretty much only going to stick to stuff that have a 2.0 release. 

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12 minutes ago, Cgriffith said:

I want to be able to enjoy everything I like about the game (pilots/ships) and unfortunately my local community (as stated before are hyper competitive travelers) and the restrictions of Hyperspace are not allowing me to enjoy the game anymore. 

None of these threads are ever productive due to trolling (of new contrast threads) or that of the X-Wing elites who believe the game is only for them.

Well, none of us is in a position to give you what you want (a local extended-playing community until that becomes the competitive norm again). As for the second part, I don't understand what you mean by "new contrast threads" but I've found plenty of threads here productive. That last comment seems like the real problem - the game is not "only for you" either - if the competitive side is what interests them most about X-Wing then they're going to want to spend their time on that.

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2 minutes ago, Dasharr said:

That last comment seems like the real problem - the game is not "only for you" either - if the competitive side is what interests them most about X-Wing then they're going to want to spend their time on that.

I agree with his point though: You want a healthy mix. If it's all one thing OR all another, someone's getting left out. Hyperspace was never intended as the only or even the "right" way to play X-Wing.

I love extended and wish the locals would give it a chance. 95% of my interest in the new points is how the current Extended meta will shake out. I'm only afraid that it actually won't shake out because no one will even try it.

It's a bigger issue than you probably realize.

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3 minutes ago, ClassicalMoser said:

I agree with his point though: You want a healthy mix. If it's all one thing OR all another, someone's getting left out. Hyperspace was never intended as the only or even the "right" way to play X-Wing.

I love extended and wish the locals would give it a chance. 95% of my interest in the new points is how the current Extended meta will shake out. I'm only afraid that it actually won't shake out because no one will even try it.

It's a bigger issue than you probably realize.

Yes, but once the competitive season returns to extended, extended will be the norm again (like it has been since the last hyperspace trial season ended). We're just at a temporary peak-hyperspace right now with the new version of hyperspace only weeks old and the SOS season kicking off.

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12 minutes ago, ClassicalMoser said:

because no one will even try it.

It's a bigger issue than you probably realize.

Heh.  Try being an Epic enthusiast.  There is no way in **** I'm ever going to find a FLGS that supports me weekly.

Where I go, they haven't even tried out the Environments cards because everyone always has an eye towards competition, even when it's casual.  And yes, everyone has gravitated towards Hyperspace, but to me that's just another version of 200/6 so it's hardly a driving factor for my (spotty) attendance.

Having this game be 200/6 tournament-driven has always affected some members of the game's community; the main difference is that Hyperspace now drives a wedge into the 200/6ers as well.

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Ah yes the great battle to sway(force?) the NPCs to play the format you prefer. Normally I find myself on the other side of this fight, battling the anti-extended trolls but here we are. 

Hyperspace is currently in DEFCON 4: the things we expected to do well did, and largely other things struggled. However, there was a lot of variety throughout the tournaments, indicating that we are not yet done innovating collectively as a community. Despite Boba winning UK and CIS winning Texas (against Boba Fenn) they were some of the obvious power lists in a sea of mere ideas. I'm not ready to throw in the towel on the format yet. 

That being said, a removal of Slave 1 from the format would go a long way.

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5 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

Heh.  Try being an Epic enthusiast.  There is no way in **** I'm ever going to find a FLGS that supports me weekly.

Oh but I am! That's probably 50% of what I play kitchen-table-wise, and I get that about as regularly as FLGS X-Wing. Can testify it's super fun, but I don't need an FLGS for that.

6 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

Where I go, they haven't even tried out the Environments cards because everyone always has an eye towards competition, even when it's casual.

SAME TEAM

7 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

Having this game be 200/6 tournament-driven has always affected some members of the game's community; the main difference is that Hyperspace now drives a wedge into the 200/6ers as well.

I know! But it shouldn't! It was never meant to!

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