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9 hours ago, GrandAdmiralCrunch said:

That was the size I pulled off Wookiepedia. Any info where I can find data for the bigger one? 

There isn't really any. I guess you'd have to check out the clone wars episode "Gungan Attack". I haven't really found any concept art, but the episode has interior shots were you can clearly see a window which can be recognized from the exterior allowing some estimation. It also appears directly next to some small Tridents giving us another method.

Thinking about the dimensions, the large one might actually be 88m and the small ones smaller. It's just that you used a picture of a small one.

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12 hours ago, xanderf said:

Because then the ships would have to HAVE officer slots, or gunnery team slots, or whatever, and that means every upgrade in the game that already EXISTS for those slots has to be tested with the Republic and Separatist ships, their own unique upgrades, their squadrons, their Commanders, etc.

It's not impossible, but it adds a lot of work.

If you remove some of the current-standard slots, and replace them with period-specific slots, you free up a LOT of possible troublesome options and reduce the work you have to do to balance everything (IE., 'Weapons Team' slot is gone, so no using 'Gunnery Teams' on these ships.  But maybe there is a 'Clone Squad' slot and a 'Republic Gunners' upgrade that fits in it, which lets you make two attacks from one hull zone as long as one of those attacks is against squadrons.  It lets you get similar effects, but weaker and different...and hopefully cheaper.  But the key advantage is allowing totally-new upgrades without having to test everything against everything else, or making ALL of it faction-specific.)

I concede my point. You bring forth some good arguments.

 

12 hours ago, LennoxPoodle said:

If something is elongated in an animation show I write it off as representation through artsyle but if a new triangle is added I guess that means it's different.

Look, I am not saying it cant be possible that the Arquitens where refitted in the transition from Republic to Empire. All I am saying is that it is unknowable what changes are really supposed to be changes in the ships and what changes are just caused by differing artstyles. Because neither Clone Wars nor Rebels shows the "reality" in Star Wars but instead they are a stylised depiction of the in universe reality and we never see Arquitens in some non stylised canon material.

As you said yourself, you "guess". And that is what I want to emphasise. All I am trying to say is that all the comparisons you posted can not be taken as fact. They are nothing more than guesses.

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18 hours ago, GrandAdmiralCrunch said:

Imperial Class Star Destroyer [1600m]

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Large Base

Odds of appearing: 99% - Easy repaint of existing model

I highly doubt this. They will want to keep every faction feeling and looking unique and u dont accomplish that by giving the Republic an ISD. Also I dont beleive that there are any canonical refrences to the Republic ever having an ISD anyway.

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1 hour ago, lunitic501 said:

I highly doubt this. They will want to keep every faction feeling and looking unique and u dont accomplish that by giving the Republic an ISD. Also I dont beleive that there are any canonical refrences to the Republic ever having an ISD anyway.

I double checked and you’re right. The Imperator Class that appeared during the Clone Wars is now only legends. I don’t think it’s impossible we will see this but I will lower the likelihood 

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2 hours ago, LordCola said:

I concede my point. You bring forth some good arguments.

 

Look, I am not saying it cant be possible that the Arquitens where refitted in the transition from Republic to Empire. All I am saying is that it is unknowable what changes are really supposed to be changes in the ships and what changes are just caused by differing artstyles. Because neither Clone Wars nor Rebels shows the "reality" in Star Wars but instead they are a stylised depiction of the in universe reality and we never see Arquitens in some non stylised canon material.

As you said yourself, you "guess". And that is what I want to emphasise. All I am trying to say is that all the comparisons you posted can not be taken as fact. They are nothing more than guesses.

Good point!

BTW these 2 are supposedly taken from BFII, so we should take them with a grain of salt:

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The differences appear in a close to life action version. BTW they differ quite a lot behind the bridge (engines and connecting part) which I previously missed.

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30 minutes ago, LennoxPoodle said:

Q2ygjdW.jpg

Now this is a good source to draw conclusions from. Both time periods depicted in the same artstyle!

There a differences left right and center. The problem is that even the biggest differences seen here would only amount to millimeters of change to the current Arquitens mini.

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1 hour ago, LordCola said:

There a differences left right and center. The problem is that even the biggest differences seen here would only amount to millimeters of change to the current Arquitens mini.

Mostly yes, but I guess the extra armor on the middle engine and the alternating bridge shapes would still be quite noticeable. Not at first glance but still not requiring to close scrutiny.

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Update:

Republic:

Charger C70

Stealth Corvette

CR80

CSS-1

Arquitens (some different shapes from imperial variant)

Pelta (varies significantly in shape from the rebels version in TCW. Also no weapons, so possibly the republics fleet support platform)

(AA-9)

Acclamator

(Victory)

Venator

CIS:

Gozanti (seen in TCW: bound for rescue, different than both imperial and C-ROC)

Trident (the larger version seen in the Mon Cala arc)

Hardcell

Diamond

Umbaran Support Ship

Munificent

Recusant

Providence

Lucrehulk Core

DH-Omni

Lucrehulk whole

(Subjugator)

Verdict:

Looks like 11(12) to 8(10) in favor of the seppies, unless I've forgotten something. That's most likely the case.

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1 hour ago, LennoxPoodle said:

Mostly yes, but I guess the extra armor on the middle engine and the alternating bridge shapes would still be quite noticeable. Not at first glance but still not requiring to close scrutiny.

The shading on the model makes it hard to see, but this does also preserve the variation in the huge gun turrets sticking out the sides in the Republic version that are absent in the Imperial version - those should be visible at the mini scale, too.

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