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On 6/6/2020 at 5:52 PM, Flurpy said:

 

Hey, @mattcogg81

Thanks for the rep. 

I'm pretty sure you meant 8 TIE/fo, not sf. 

SFs have the mobile arc, 3 Shields, and only 2 agi. 

To correct you on the R4 q hard turn on Cova, you actually do still get her ability. 

R4 and Leia reduce the difficulty by 2 while you execute. 

Cova looks at the color of the dial and triggers her ability regardless of how you executed it. 

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14 hours ago, Bucknife said:

Hey, @mattcogg81

Thanks for the rep. 

I'm pretty sure you meant 8 TIE/fo, not sf. 

SFs have the mobile arc, 3 Shields, and only 2 agi. 

To correct you on the R4 q hard turn on Cova, you actually do still get her ability. 

R4 and Leia reduce the difficulty by 2 while you execute. 

Cova looks at the color of the dial and triggers her ability regardless of how you executed it. 

Thanks buddy - yes I meant FO lol - I don't play the bad guys and yes I get the Cova trigger now - 1 hard for days!

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...okay the idea of being stressed and revealing a red maneveur to trigger Cova's ability and just do a 2 white straight never occurred to me.

Oh everyone is gonna hate me when people come back to play lol. Really feels like bending the rules to your favor.

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I really don't understand how Cloaked Rey works. Like I get that Holdo grabs the cloak token off Rey so she can shoot ... but in practice, I just can't brain it. Can someone explain like I'm 5?

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16 minutes ago, Rich P said:

I really don't understand how Cloaked Rey works. Like I get that Holdo grabs the cloak token off Rey so she can shoot ... but in practice, I just can't brain it. Can someone explain like I'm 5?

I feel your pain @Rich P it took me a long time to get my head around.

Essentially you want to be shot while cloaked and de-cloak after everyone has shot and then shoot them! 

Firstly you need a cloaking ship that you can "transfer" from - so Fireball atm - when you grab the cloak is up to you but if you want the best option - you already have the cloak at the start of engagement.

Optimum way -

  • Have a Init 1 RZ-A wing with swarm tactics within R1 at start of engagement - Rey is cloaked -
  • Start of engagement - swarm tactics Rey to init 1 - best case scenario you have Stealth Device, R3, Front Arc - Finn blank and are cloaked - soak up shots - take a TL with Rose -
  • At initiative 1 step - trigger Holdo pass of Cloak token to someone in R2 maybe also grab a cheeky focus token and blow something into oblivion with full mods (potentially). 

In theory this all works - watch Virgil Hayward who flew in Space Jam Sydney and Rome I think on GSP.

Other neat tricks 

De-cloaking allows a barrel roll or boost with 1 template during system phase

Heightened Perception allows shenanigans at init 7

Problems

For me I just can't get it to work for me, I mess up the cloak or I'm not shooting with Rey which feel bad! The points you need to to get it to work also. Like I said Virgil Hayward got Top 16 at Space Jam Sydney so it's a good list - not one for me 

Maybe I could show you on stream 😉

 

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Also another Rey build update -

I saw a Rey and Han list beat WORLD CHAMPION - Oli Pocknell (hope it was Oli Pocknell - might not have been)on Hexiled gaming.

Rey - HP, Rose, Freelance slicer, Finn and SD + Han - Lone wolf, Leia and Hotshot Gunner.

Oli was running Darth Vader +PS, Duchess - Outmaneuver, Fifth Brother, Targeting Computer, 3 Academy Ties - 

So maybe Han is the right wingman

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Posted (edited)

Also, Han with Leia + Hotshot Gunner felt more like a support ship. To help remove offensive or defensive tokens from opponents that go after the real threat: Rey.

IDK if Han can bring the same absurdness to the game Cova can, though.

Edited by timely-peanut

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10 hours ago, KiraYamatoSF said:

...okay the idea of being stressed and revealing a red maneveur to trigger Cova's ability and just do a 2 white straight never occurred to me.

Oh everyone is gonna hate me when people come back to play lol. Really feels like bending the rules to your favor.

Yep. 

It's pretty fringe, honestly. 

I don't know how many games going an auto white 2-s will be the place you'd rather be than any other place on the board where you actually have a legal dial spot. 

Also, if it becomes an issue specifically on Cova, they'll just errata the illegal move to actually change the dial to a 2 s. 

Cova really messes with these core rules pretty hard. 

Edited by Bucknife

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On 6/13/2020 at 5:59 AM, mattcogg81 said:

Also another Rey build update -

I saw a Rey and Han list beat WORLD CHAMPION - Oli Pocknell (hope it was Oli Pocknell - might not have been)on Hexiled gaming.

Rey - HP, Rose, Freelance slicer, Finn and SD + Han - Lone wolf, Leia and Hotshot Gunner.

Oli was running Darth Vader +PS, Duchess - Outmaneuver, Fifth Brother, Targeting Computer, 3 Academy Ties - 

So maybe Han is the right wingman

I'll have to check that game out.  I love Han.  Probably a fun list to play

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I played Han/Rey yesterday. 3 friendly games against the same opponent. 2 games against Boba Fenn (first one I gave him the initiative, and the 2nd game I let him drop fearless to outbid me so he gave me first player). I baited with Han and punched hard on Fenn when he decided to go for Rey. Fenn died in one round (R2 from Han with LW and focus forced him to spend his focus and still take 1 damage, and R3 from Rey (4 hits) got the best of him). 2nd game putting Han on the table before Fenn wasn’t as cool but I decided to bait again and I still got 2 good shots on Fenn first round, leaving him on 1 hull, and dropping him next round. I think going for Fenn is the key here.

Third game was against rebel beef (Ten, Braylen, Dutch, Garven). I was really lucky to pull this one out, with key dice in key moments. I probably should have lost this one.

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The Han Rey list looks interesting, I wonder if it is leaning quite hard into matchups though ... I feel like it might lose hard to swarms. I might well fly it soon.

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23 minutes ago, Rich P said:

The Han Rey list looks interesting, I wonder if it is leaning quite hard into matchups though ... I feel like it might lose hard to swarms. I might well fly it soon.

I didn’t play the “standard” Han/Rey. I played this list:

Han/Rey

(65) Han Solo [Scavenged YT-1300]
(5) Kaydel Connix
(6) Korr Sella
(2) Contraband Cybernetics
(5) Lone Wolf
(2) Rey's Millennium Falcon
Points: 85

(70) Rey [Scavenged YT-1300]
(3) Freelance Slicer
(9) Rose Tico
(3) Heightened Perception
(10) Finn
(4) Stealth Device
Points: 99

Total points: 184

P.S I might change the title back to Rey. At least once every game I wished I had it to boost after being stressed

Edited by RoockieBoy
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I like it, you sure can get a lot of upgrades by removing Leia ... I think a 16 point bid is excessive in the current meta - I'd be tempted to toss engine upgrade onto Han and move title to Rey. You still have a 9 point bid there and Han shouldn't often end up stressed with engine upgrade

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Just an update from me. I am going back to the roots to make myself a better player. 

Poe Dameron (68)    
    Heroic (1)    
    R4 Astromech (2)    
    Integrated S-Foils (0)    
    Black One (2)    
    Proton Torpedoes (13)    
    
Ship total: 86  Half Points: 43  Threshold: 4    
    
Rey (70)    
    Korr Sella (6)    
    Rose Tico (9)    
    Finn (10)    
    Stealth Device (4)    
    Rey's Millennium Falcon (2)    
    
Ship total: 101  Half Points: 51  Threshold: 6    
     
Total: 187    
 

If this doenst teach me nothing will, Ill be flying this at the next two league nights and then Top4 of the local league next weekend.

 

 

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55 minutes ago, Flurpy said:

Just an update from me. I am going back to the roots to make myself a better player. 

Poe Dameron (68)    
    Heroic (1)    
    R4 Astromech (2)    
    Integrated S-Foils (0)    
    Black One (2)    
    Proton Torpedoes (13)    
    
Ship total: 86  Half Points: 43  Threshold: 4    
    
Rey (70)    
    Korr Sella (6)    
    Rose Tico (9)    
    Finn (10)    
    Stealth Device (4)    
    Rey's Millennium Falcon (2)    
    
Ship total: 101  Half Points: 51  Threshold: 6    
     
Total: 187    
 

If this doenst teach me nothing will, Ill be flying this at the next two league nights and then Top4 of the local league next weekend.

 

 

How do you think it will go against separatist swarms or rebel beef? Those are my biggest concerns with a list like this

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20 minutes ago, RoockieBoy said:

How do you think it will go against separatist swarms or rebel beef? Those are my biggest concerns with a list like this

Badly. That's why I'll use this to practice. If you can survive with this against swarm/beef then more sane versions will be easier to fly. 

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Posted (edited)

I was talking to friends about the Holdo jank, and a friend pointed out that he has done decently in the past (winning a sstore kit) with this list:

Rey (70)
Amilyn Holdo (8)
Finn (10)
Stealth Device (4)
Rey’s Millennium Falcon (2)

Rose Tico (26)
C-3PO (6)

Blue Squadron Recruit (32)
Heroic (1)
Advanced Optics (4)

Blue Squadron Recruit (32)
Heroic (1)
Advanced Optics (4)
Total: 200

View in Yet Another Squad Builder 2.0

It kind of does what the base Holdo jank does, but without the cloaking device.  A-Wings are great at shedding stress, and Rose in the pod is a great piece who can co-ordinate the lock to Rey if she needs it, but the co-ordinate opens up a lot of jank for Rey too

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3 hours ago, Flurpy said:

Just an update from me. I am going back to the roots to make myself a better player. 

Poe Dameron (68)    
    Heroic (1)    
    R4 Astromech (2)    
    Integrated S-Foils (0)    
    Black One (2)    
    Proton Torpedoes (13)    
    
Ship total: 86  Half Points: 43  Threshold: 4    
    
Rey (70)    
    Korr Sella (6)    
    Rose Tico (9)    
    Finn (10)    
    Stealth Device (4)    
    Rey's Millennium Falcon (2)    
    
Ship total: 101  Half Points: 51  Threshold: 6    
     
Total: 187    

If this doesn't teach me nothing will, Ill be flying this at the next two league nights and then Top4 of the local league next weekend.

Oh, you brave soul.

I never did give that sort of Poe a try.  Matter of fact, I'm not sure if I've ever put a proton torp on Poe.  It might be enough to put the list over the hump I could never overcome.  

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3 hours ago, Flurpy said:

If this doenst teach me nothing will, Ill be flying this at the next two league nights and then Top4 of the local league next weekend.

 

I think Lone Wolf might be a direct upgrade for this - 187 feels like too big of a bid in the current meta where players are usually closer to 197-200 ... I think that 190 is fine unless your local meta has a freakishly deep bid culture?

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8 minutes ago, Rich P said:

I think Lone Wolf might be a direct upgrade for this - 187 feels like too big of a bid in the current meta where players are usually closer to 197-200 ... I think that 190 is fine unless your local meta has a freakishly deep bid culture?

I tried Lone Wolf a decent amount and I didn't find it reliably triggered enough to be worth it.  Rey's big booty closes that range 2 gap a lot, the two ships often fairly close together to keep pressure on.

I do agree that 187 is probably unnecessary.  The biggest hurdles for the list are more than 3 ships, beef and swarms, so I'm not sure what tech would help combat that.  

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In the old v1 Dash/Poe list, Lone Wolf was a standard on Dash - it does require care when flying. In a 2 ship list, especially with the ships moving last / late in move order when both can reposition, you *should* be able to maintain distance for critical turns

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12 minutes ago, Rich P said:

In the old v1 Dash/Poe list, Lone Wolf was a standard on Dash - it does require care when flying. In a 2 ship list, especially with the ships moving last / late in move order when both can reposition, you *should* be able to maintain distance for critical turns

I'd agree with that if Rey was more of a kiting ship.  I've found, with both of them wanting to point at stuff, they ended up too close for Lone Wolf a lot.  I may just be bad at it.

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6 minutes ago, gennataos said:

I'd agree with that if Rey was more of a kiting ship.  I've found, with both of them wanting to point at stuff, they ended up too close for Lone Wolf a lot.  I may just be bad at it.

I'll staple Lone Wolf to my Dash when paired with R2-D2 Luke in 2e, but this makes sense to me for this list.  The geometry of the list, with Rey and Torpedo Poe, just seems like folks are more likely to be stuck-in.

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58 minutes ago, gennataos said:

I'd agree with that if Rey was more of a kiting ship.  I've found, with both of them wanting to point at stuff, they ended up too close for Lone Wolf a lot.  I may just be bad at it.

I've thought about this a good deal. 

Leaning towards Han+Poe over Rey Poe for that exact reason. 

Rey Gunner ability shifts to mobile arc instead of front arc. 

You lose a force unless you throw Leia crew on as well, but then you're probably losing Torps on Poe, but yeah, you get the picture. 

Han+ReyGunner+Poe. 

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