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5 hours ago, Alan Noir said:

I'm totally fine with this by the way. But the love is mostly fan service. A lot of people won't have a clue who Asoka is. 

 

Kind of glad she's made her debut though, as all the hype was about her or other cartoon characters. It's Mando's show though and we've had loads of curveballs, which is great

Yeah but it's also Filonis baby, and love or hate his direction in rebels it has shown he can be better than what we're getting so far..... That said there is a lot of new threads being set up, if given the space to finish it.

Edit: Which kind feeds into my spoiler post, but i don't want to discuss it further just yet.... i'll give it a few more days for our US fans to get over their turkey siesta's and watch it

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2 hours ago, TauntaunScout said:

So far so good!

Asoka Tano looks like a great new character even if it IS another twi’lek.  

Technically, Asoka's a Togruta, a race that lives on the planet Shili. Togruta possess montrals, which are hollow, horn-like structures on their heads which house extra-sensory organs, in addition to the lekku which are entirely composed of flesh.

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4 hours ago, Triangular said:

How about a Cara Dune prequel showing a bunch of Rebel Shock Troopers fighting imperial warlords?

Not interested

6 hours ago, Weikel said:

we'll get announcements for spin off series for Ahsoka chasing down Thrawn and maybe a separate one for Bo-Katan trying to re-establish Mandalore.

This would be more interesting than She-Rambo Navy Seals send up.

I'm afraid we won't get either.

Those HK droids in this last episode look really cool.

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9 hours ago, Weikel said:

Then in the next couple months we'll get announcements for spin off series for Ahsoka chasing down Thrawn and maybe a separate one for Bo-Katan trying to re-establish Mandalore.

I have a feeling Bo Katan will be a big part of the series next season. Mando will probably get unwillingly pulled into the political intrigue around the Mandalorian resistance fighters and Deathwatch. Im sure the Watch will have their own ideas about who should sit on the throne and wield the dark saber...

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3 hours ago, KommanderKeldoth said:

I have a feeling Bo Katan will be a big part of the series next season. Mando will probably get unwillingly pulled into the political intrigue around the Mandalorian resistance fighters and Deathwatch. Im sure the Watch will have their own ideas about who should sit on the throne and wield the dark saber...

Color me intrigued.

I didn't know that beskar could deflect lightsabers either. I'm surprised there aren't more of these weapons running around.

 

Someone let me at the universe 500-600 years prior to this and I'll whip up some tales of Mandolorian and Jedi wars

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5 minutes ago, buckero0 said:

Color me intrigued.

I didn't know that beskar could deflect lightsabers either. I'm surprised there aren't more of these weapons running around.

 

Someone let me at the universe 500-600 years prior to this and I'll whip up some tales of Mandolorian and Jedi wars

Iirc the forging was supposed to be quite difficult. Also once again the Mando's take differs somewhat from other established cannon, in which "mandolorian armor" was treated as a heirloom of the clan, only ever altered and expanded upon as it passed to each new owner and not melted down as seen in s1 (Refer to to later seasons of Rebels). Bo-Katan could easily expand into that side of the culture as part of Din's evolution for future seasons.

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3 hours ago, buckero0 said:

I didn't know that beskar could deflect lightsabers either. I'm surprised there aren't more of these weapons running around.

"Mandalorian Iron" from the old legends EU was lightsaber resistant. It was nice to see them bring that back into canon. 

Part of the reason you dont see more anti-lightsaber melee weapons post purge is that the need for them is really non existant once the Jedi are largely wiped out. Factor in that Beskar is probably one of the most valuable substances in the galaxy and it just seems dumb to make a solid Beskar sword (or what have you) on the off chance you will run into one of the half dozen saber wielders in the whole galaxy (and you would be no match for them in a melee fight anyway becuase of their training and connection to the force).

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7 hours ago, Ralgon said:

Iirc the forging was supposed to be quite difficult. Also once again the Mando's take differs somewhat from other established cannon, in which "mandolorian armor" was treated as a heirloom of the clan, only ever altered and expanded upon as it passed to each new owner and not melted down as seen in s1 (Refer to to later seasons of Rebels). Bo-Katan could easily expand into that side of the culture as part of Din's evolution for future seasons.

If I remember correctly, the only beskar we saw melted was what the Mandalorian was paid with, which was in the form of beskar ingots. Another time we might have seen beskar armor being melted and reforged is in the final episode of season 1, when the gang is talking with the Armorer as she picks through the Mandalorian armor debris. If she did melt down armor, it was probably because there was no one else in that warrior's clan to inherit it and/or it would be easier to transport the beskar if it was in a more compact form.

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12 hours ago, KommanderKeldoth said:

I have a feeling Bo Katan will be a big part of the series next season. Mando will probably get unwillingly pulled into the political intrigue around the Mandalorian resistance fighters and Deathwatch. Im sure the Watch will have their own ideas about who should sit on the throne and wield the dark saber...

That would be an interesting direction to take the series either post-Gideon or alongside that continuing arc. Allow them to work through some character development and inner issues between sides while having great fight scenes. Mando hauling around a baby pseudo-Jedi would add its own complications to working with other Mandalorians.

39 minutes ago, Paladin Ignatius said:

Another time we might have seen beskar armor being melted and reforged is in the final episode of season 1, when the gang is talking with the Armorer as she picks through the Mandalorian armor debris.

Now that you mention it, I'm surprised there was no follow up on the Armorer when he went back to Navarro. Either Din looking for her or Cara and Greef giving him an update. She saved their lives with that timely jetpack and they didn't check in with her while cleaning up the city? Just a quick one liner about how she moved on before they could find her, left behind a lot of scrap metal for them to clean up, yadda yadda yadda.

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21 hours ago, Paladin Ignatius said:

Technically, Asoka's a Togruta, a race that lives on the planet Shili. Togruta possess montrals, which are hollow, horn-like structures on their heads which house extra-sensory organs, in addition to the lekku which are entirely composed of flesh.

Sorry. I'm not into Pokemon.

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8 hours ago, Paladin Ignatius said:

If I remember correctly, the only beskar we saw melted was what the Mandalorian was paid with, which was in the form of beskar ingots. Another time we might have seen beskar armor being melted and reforged is in the final episode of season 1, when the gang is talking with the Armorer as she picks through the Mandalorian armor debris. If she did melt down armor, it was probably because there was no one else in that warrior's clan to inherit it and/or it would be easier to transport the beskar if it was in a more compact form.

even so (which is something that seems to be a theme for me lately) again that felt a lil off given what the the rest of canon has setup, but then there's plenty being added to the mythology in general here so i'm happy to wait and see for more reveals. The kids story, mandos, asoka (although i notice noone's picked up on that yet)... i'm a lil surprised there isn't a lil more hate on filoni for changing the mould  on several area 's of cannon (because star wars fans) not that i'd agree.

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@Ralgon Totally understand. I'm a stickler for canon myself, but given that the current canon does still allow for inconsistencies (Legends was full of them, as I recall) I'm willing to give Filoni the benefit of a doubt. Also, I think his status as a fanboy who made it into the inner circle gives him a little street cred with most die-hard fans.

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9 hours ago, Paladin Ignatius said:

@Ralgon Totally understand. I'm a stickler for canon myself, but given that the current canon does still allow for inconsistencies (Legends was full of them, as I recall) I'm willing to give Filoni the benefit of a doubt. Also, I think his status as a fanboy who made it into the inner circle gives him a little street cred with most die-hard fans.

The older I get the less I care about canon. In the last 2 or 3 years I've been making more of an effort to get to know my own Irish folklore and mythology. All ths stories have the same characters but major inconsistencies. One guy Fionn Mac Cumhail is a warrior where I live, but a 90 min drive away he's considered a lazy giant. 

Star Wars existed for 20 years in 3 films with very little backstory explained. And we loved it, it sustained itself. I appreciate Disney making the effort to have everyrhing tie in together, but if stuff doesnt line up I don't care anymore. There's stuff I think should be left to the audience to decide. I think of it as a legend, a story a long time ago in a galaxy far far away.  A bit of mystery and contradiction is fine.

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1 hour ago, Alan Noir said:

The older I get the less I care about canon. In the last 2 or 3 years I've been making more of an effort to get to know my own Irish folklore and mythology. All ths stories have the same characters but major inconsistencies. One guy Fionn Mac Cumhail is a warrior where I live, but a 90 min drive away he's considered a lazy giant. 

Star Wars existed for 20 years in 3 films with very little backstory explained. And we loved it, it sustained itself. I appreciate Disney making the effort to have everyrhing tie in together, but if stuff doesnt line up I don't care anymore. There's stuff I think should be left to the audience to decide. I think of it as a legend, a story a long time ago in a galaxy far far away.  A bit of mystery and contradiction is fine.

Thats fine for stuff that happened a long time ago but doesnt work for things that are happening in movies. When things directly contradict one another then we need a reason why it has changed. In your folklore example the reasons would be distance/rumour/time, in the ST there is no (or a poor) explaination given and people are just supposed to accept it, and this happens multiple times and is why fans have rejected the ST.

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2 hours ago, Alan Noir said:

The older I get the less I care about canon. In the last 2 or 3 years I've been making more of an effort to get to know my own Irish folklore and mythology. All ths stories have the same characters but major inconsistencies. One guy Fionn Mac Cumhail is a warrior where I live, but a 90 min drive away he's considered a lazy giant. 

Star Wars existed for 20 years in 3 films with very little backstory explained. And we loved it, it sustained itself. I appreciate Disney making the effort to have everyrhing tie in together, but if stuff doesnt line up I don't care anymore. There's stuff I think should be left to the audience to decide. I think of it as a legend, a story a long time ago in a galaxy far far away.  A bit of mystery and contradiction is fine.

Exactly.

For a franchise as large as Star Wars, canon is a cancer from which the body cannot recover. There are too many creators and too much media to have perfect consistency be a realistic goal and therefore no attempt should be made to achieve it.

As long as the individual stories are told well and the characters are true to themselves while being given the ability to grow and change, we’ll be in good shape.

1 hour ago, 5particus said:

When things directly contradict one another then we need a reason why it has changed.

We really don’t.

Characters are not perfectly informed, they are not always honest, and so much of what gets discussed in Star Wars is based on legends, hearsay, assumptions, etc. Needing stated reasons for why stuff is changed or is/isn’t done is part of why Rise of Skywalker is so bad; the characters waste time talking about why they don’t just Holdo maneuver everything.

Besides, even when we do get extremely specific reasons for why things change... if they conflict with head canon people just don’t care. Luke spends a lot of time in The Last Jedi talking very specifically about WHY he exiled himself, WHY what happened with Kylo Ren happened, WHY he initially misled Rey about it, etc.,... And the internet is still filled with “not MY Luke” takes.

Perfect consistency is not possible and there are enough Star Wars fans out there that creators cannot hit everyone’s canon sweet spot, so... just tell rad stories.

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2 minutes ago, KalEl814 said:

For a franchise as large as Star Wars, canon is a cancer from which the body cannot recover. There are too many creators and too much media to have perfect consistency be a realistic goal and therefore no attempt should be made to achieve it.

As long as the individual stories are told well and the characters are true to themselves while being given the ability to grow and change, we’ll be in good shape.

We really don’t.

Characters are not perfectly informed, they are not always honest, and so much of what gets discussed in Star Wars is based on legends, hearsay, assumptions, etc. Needing stated reasons for why stuff is changed or is/isn’t done is part of why Rise of Skywalker is so bad; the characters waste time talking about why they don’t just Holdo maneuver everything.

Besides, even when we do get extremely specific reasons for why things change... if they conflict with head canon people just don’t care. Luke spends a lot of time in The Last Jedi talking very specifically about WHY he exiled himself, WHY what happened with Kylo Ren happened, WHY he initially misled Rey about it, etc.,... And the internet is still filled with “not MY Luke” takes.

Perfect consistency is not possible and there are enough Star Wars fans out there that creators cannot hit everyone’s canon sweet spot, so... just tell rad stories.

ah so your ok with Characters coming back from the dead, Mary Sues and Mcguffins along with terrible writing. gotcha.

so how exactly did Palpatine get from an exploding death star after falling down a very long shaft to Exogol? the only explaination given to us that i have seen is from Poe who says "somehow, Palpatine has returned."

if you have watched the movies then you have watched the events as they happened and can go back and watch them as many times as you want and it will be exactly the same. the difference between this and folklore is that folklore is not a permenant perfect record, it is rumour. That is it, they are not analagous.

Perfect consistancy is not achiveable i agree (at least not without planning out every little detail beforehand) but it should be the goal not just ignored. a small inconsistancy like Obi-Wan being trained by Qui-Gon instead of Yoda like he said in Empire is just that, a small inconsistancy, but a large one like Palpatine coming back from the dead with no explanation is inexcusable and should never have been suggested let alone allowed.

Canon is what has happened, you can have rumour/legends just like the old days but it has to be presented as a rumour/legends not as fact or the fanbase will reject it just like they did with the ST. Canon is the only thing making it the same universe, otherwise we will start getting into the same multiverse issue that Marvel and DC have themselves in, where nobody knows what actually happened prior to the story that is happening in the particular movie that you are watching or book you are reading.

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3 minutes ago, 5particus said:

Canon is the only thing making it the same universe, otherwise we will start getting into the same multiverse issue that Marvel and DC have themselves in, where nobody knows what actually happened prior to the story that is happening in the particular movie that you are watching or book you are reading.

Unfortunately, I think that is what is going to end up happening. Alternative Universe 1138, Palpatine lives.  In all other universes - there is no Palpatine, Rey, Poe, Leia doesn't fly through space, etc. In some ways, ignoring the new movies and taking over where Mandalorian ends (whenever it does) is a cleaner transition. 

I did notice the droid that pilots the Razor Crest in the prison break episode is at Navarro hunting down Mando when he breaks out Grogu from the Imperial compound there in the city.  I thought it was weird they didn't recognize each other.  I guess they were all hunting the child instead of Mando and the memory banks were purged?

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53 minutes ago, 5particus said:

ah so your ok with Characters coming back from the dead, Mary Sues and Mcguffins along with terrible writing. gotcha

I don’t love terrible writing, Mary Sues, and characters coming back from the dead which is why I ignored most of the old EU BOOM GOTTEM I can get on that troll train too, herp a derp squerp CHOO CHOO 😛

53 minutes ago, 5particus said:

so how exactly did Palpatine get from an exploding death star after falling down a very long shaft to Exogol? the only explaination given to us that i have seen is from Poe who says "somehow, Palpatine has returned."

I don’t know and I don’t really care. It ultimately doesn’t matter because he’s back. I personally don’t like Palp’s return as I’d find it lazy and boring regardless of whether or not the methods were compelling or well written. But in a universe with space wizards, cloning, and an established desire to overcome death established before his rez? Eh, it’s fine.

53 minutes ago, 5particus said:

Perfect consistancy is not achiveable i agree (at least not without planning out every little detail beforehand) but it should be the goal not just ignored. a small inconsistancy like Obi-Wan being trained by Qui-Gon instead of Yoda like he said in Empire is just that, a small inconsistancy, but a large one like Palpatine coming back from the dead with no explanation is inexcusable and should never have been suggested let alone allowed.

Again, this is personal. You think small consistencies are okay, which is your prerogative. But Luke in TLJ has in-character reasons for his actions. Obi-Wan has in ANH absolutely no reason to withhold information about Qui-Gon to Luke, or to lie about how good a pilot Vader was when he met him (him not copping to Vader being Luke’s dad “makes sense” in hindsight even if the IRL reason is that Lucas didn’t know that about Vader at the time) so the existence of the Prequels is an own goal in terms of canonical consistency. As you can imagine based on my posts, it’s an inconsistency I personally don’t care about at all. But if Lucas couldn’t be bothered to make his own stories consistent, maybe we shouldn’t care about it either.

53 minutes ago, 5particus said:

Canon is what has happened, you can have rumour/legends just like the old days but it has to be presented as a rumour/legends not as fact or the fanbase will reject it just like they did with the ST. Canon is the only thing making it the same universe, otherwise we will start getting into the same multiverse issue that Marvel and DC have themselves in, where nobody knows what actually happened prior to the story that is happening in the particular movie that you are watching or book you are reading.

Canon is and has been malleable and it needs to be. Is Star Wars a used car galaxy where everything looks lived in, or is it a shiny, white, sterile place where bespoke clones can be grown and aged? Is Boba Fett a rad bounty hunter or a chump who has worse control over his own jet pack than Timothy Olyphant? Is Vader an errand boy for Tarkin or the most deadly man in the galaxy? Is there a budding love triangle between Leia, Luke, and Han, or are two of them twins? It’s all of those things. If it’s got Star Wars on the cover or in the opening crawl, it’s a Star Wars story... Until whoever owns the IP highlights a bunch of stuff and then mashes delete, of course 😛

Or as it pertains to this latest episode... Is Ahsoka a rad Jedi who has stood toe to toe with Vader and lived? Who’s taken on and hung with the deadliest Sith in the galaxy? Or can she be disarmed by a rando with a spear? She’s both. The fight was rad, the episode was rad, so I cannot bring myself to care about power levels or “inconsistency” in her skills, I just want more.

But in terms of the Marvel / DC stuff... that doesn’t matter either. Who’s Spider-Man? Peter? Ben? Otto? Miles? If they’re wearing the costume and the story is rad, I’m in. Who’s Venom? Is Magneto a good guy today or is he bad? Is Hal killing everyone? Did he do it or was it Parallax? Ultimately it doesn’t really matter. Any issue needs to make sense to someone who’s picking it up off the rack as their first and to someone who’s been reading it since Amazing Fantasy 15. Star Wars is the same.

I don’t mean to be cute or dismissive about this. I get why people care about the franchise and the canon in general... I do, too! I wouldn’t spend so much time blabbing about it and investing time and energy painting and playing these games if I didn’t CARE. I personally just think almost any energy spent on determining what and what is not “canon” and what is or is not “consistent” is energy wasted. If people get joy and pleasure talking about it, that of course is time well spent. But a lot of it comes off to me as frustration that something said *here* doesn’t gel with something that happened *there,* and my take is that the only winning move is not to play.

Sorry for the novel... Mondays, man.

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53 minutes ago, KalEl814 said:

I don’t love terrible writing, Mary Sues, and characters coming back from the dead which is why I ignored most of the old EU BOOM GOTTEM I can get on that troll train too, herp a derp squerp CHOO CHOO 😛

I don’t know and I don’t really care. It ultimately doesn’t matter because he’s back. I personally don’t like Palp’s return as I’d find it lazy and boring regardless of whether or not the methods were compelling or well written. But in a universe with space wizards, cloning, and an established desire to overcome death established before his rez? Eh, it’s fine.

Again, this is personal. You think small consistencies are okay, which is your prerogative. But Luke in TLJ has in-character reasons for his actions. Obi-Wan has in ANH absolutely no reason to withhold information about Qui-Gon to Luke, or to lie about how good a pilot Vader was when he met him (him not copping to Vader being Luke’s dad “makes sense” in hindsight even if the IRL reason is that Lucas didn’t know that about Vader at the time) so the existence of the Prequels is an own goal in terms of canonical consistency. As you can imagine based on my posts, it’s an inconsistency I personally don’t care about at all. But if Lucas couldn’t be bothered to make his own stories consistent, maybe we shouldn’t care about it either.

Canon is and has been malleable and it needs to be. Is Star Wars a used car galaxy where everything looks lived in, or is it a shiny, white, sterile place where bespoke clones can be grown and aged? Is Boba Fett a rad bounty hunter or a chump who has worse control over his own jet pack than Timothy Olyphant? Is Vader an errand boy for Tarkin or the most deadly man in the galaxy? Is there a budding love triangle between Leia, Luke, and Han, or are two of them twins? It’s all of those things. If it’s got Star Wars on the cover or in the opening crawl, it’s a Star Wars story... Until whoever owns the IP highlights a bunch of stuff and then mashes delete, of course 😛

Or as it pertains to this latest episode... Is Ahsoka a rad Jedi who has stood toe to toe with Vader and lived? Who’s taken on and hung with the deadliest Sith in the galaxy? Or can she be disarmed by a rando with a spear? She’s both. The fight was rad, the episode was rad, so I cannot bring myself to care about power levels or “inconsistency” in her skills, I just want more.

But in terms of the Marvel / DC stuff... that doesn’t matter either. Who’s Spider-Man? Peter? Ben? Otto? Miles? If they’re wearing the costume and the story is rad, I’m in. Who’s Venom? Is Magneto a good guy today or is he bad? Is Hal killing everyone? Did he do it or was it Parallax? Ultimately it doesn’t really matter. Any issue needs to make sense to someone who’s picking it up off the rack as their first and to someone who’s been reading it since Amazing Fantasy 15. Star Wars is the same.

I don’t mean to be cute or dismissive about this. I get why people care about the franchise and the canon in general... I do, too! I wouldn’t spend so much time blabbing about it and investing time and energy painting and playing these games if I didn’t CARE. I personally just think almost any energy spent on determining what and what is not “canon” and what is or is not “consistent” is energy wasted. If people get joy and pleasure talking about it, that of course is time well spent. But a lot of it comes off to me as frustration that something said *here* doesn’t gel with something that happened *there,* and my take is that the only winning move is not to play.

Sorry for the novel... Mondays, man.

you make some fair points, for me the line was crossed when Palp came back from the dead without an explanation, it would have gone over a lot better if they had had even a slight explanation but there was nothing. just the poor story and writing catching up to them and then having to pulling a fast one on the fans to try and make it work. The poor story/writing is my main gripe i think.

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1 hour ago, 5particus said:

you make some fair points, for me the line was crossed when Palp came back from the dead without an explanation, it would have gone over a lot better if they had had even a slight explanation but there was nothing. just the poor story and writing catching up to them and then having to pulling a fast one on the fans to try and make it work. The poor story/writing is my main gripe i think.

I think a lot of Star Wars is badly written, honestly. The prequels in general are... not good. Rise of Skywalker is just awful in this respect. Forget overarching canon, the movie straight up doesn’t make a lick of sense in of itself. To wit with my larger “point” (assuming I have one at all, which is a dangerous assumption)... I don’t care that the Sith MacGuffin was in a room that clearly did not exist in Return of the Jedi and contradicted recent canon material in print about the Death Star II’s architecture. I do care that nothing about where the Wayfinder is or how it’s found makes sense just within Rise of Skywalker! I don’t super care about how Sheev came back, they’ve got clone juice and the crane he’s on kinda looks like a resin 3D printing bed... FINE, whatever. 😛 I DO care that his plan is to have Rey kill him so he’s resurrected in full... then 15 minutes later Rey kills him and he just ‘splodes? I get that he drank Force Gatorade and got his electrolyes / midichlorians back, but... that means that Rey killing him just doesn’t work anymore? I guess?

There’s no reason for any of that to not make sense... it’s one movie!

I get not liking what got done to Luke in TLJ, but I cannot accept that it was poorly written or done without care for the character or even the canon. NO Jedi approached a fight in a way that’s more in line with what the Jedi order was supposed to be about than Luke did with Kylo. Knowledge and events, never for attack... the ultimate mind trick, etc. RoS’s problems aren’t that it doesn’t respect the canon, it’s that it doesn’t even respect its own characters. When Finn throws shade at Poe for running spice, Poe claps back by giving Finn a hard time for being a Stormtrooper. But Finn was abducted as a child and forced into that life! And after his first mission as a Stormtrooper, Finn risked his life to save Poe because he couldn’t live as a Stormtrooper! Poe gave Finn his name, Poe talking trash about Finn being abducted and forced into child soldierhood is a huge slap across Finn’s face. It’s a throwaway moment, but it’s emblematic of banter being more important than character, and the general lack of quality in RoS. That stuff bothers me way more than how Sheev got cloned.

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1 hour ago, KalEl814 said:

I get not liking what got done to Luke in TLJ, but I cannot accept that it was poorly written or done without care for the character or even the canon. NO Jedi approached a fight in a way that’s more in line with what the Jedi order was supposed to be about than Luke did with Kylo. Knowledge and defense, never for attack... the ultimate mind trick, etc. RoS’s problems aren’t that it doesn’t respect the canon, it’s that it doesn’t even respect its own characters. When Finn throws shade at Poe for running spice, Poe claps back by giving Finn a hard time for being a Stormtrooper. But Finn was abducted as a child and forced into that life! And after his first mission as a Stormtrooper, Finn risked his life to save Poe because he couldn’t live as a Stormtrooper! Poe gave Finn his name, Poe talking trash about Finn being abducted and forced into child soldierhood is a huge slap across Finn’s face. It’s a throwaway moment, but it’s emblematic of banter being more important than character, and the general lack of quality in RoS. That stuff bothers me way more than how Sheev got cloned.

I couldn't agree more about Luke. I tell people all the time he was the most Jedi Jedi. 


I think the biggest issues with the Sequel trilogy are they failed to plan the whole trilogy out, had no plan for loss of actors, and had zero resolve in the face of fan backlash.

RoS reeks of panicked writing. Not only did half the fanbase lose their minds over the previous title but their headliner for the last film died before the script was even finished. It's no wonder the film ended up tepid. 


Palps was an odd play for the final film, and it was poorly executed at best. 

When they announced Palps return I thought Filoni would have been a bigger part of the script development. They had so much precedent established from Rebels or the CW animated shows that would have explained with relative ease Palpatine's return and given better reasoning behind the powers given to Rey. 

Ultimately, I'm glad the sequels are over. From here on out the movies will be taking place outside established Skywalker timelines so no matter what happens they can't "ruin" anyone for anyone. 


 

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Space opera is opera and so is Star Wars. Great music, great stage design, cheesy actors and a ridiculous libretto. Lucas can't write (but he can steal) and he can't direct (Harrison Ford is a very good actor, but not in Star Wars), but he had people that designed for him the X-Wing, the Stormtroopers and Yoda. Now there are others who just copy his formula: a mixture of samurai flick, Battle for Midway, Leni Riefenstahl and youtube kitten video.

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