Final Rise of Skywalker Trailer ‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️

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8 minutes ago, weebaer said:

 Im totally fine with Rey being awesome.  She was solid in 7 and less so in 8. 

I know right? What, did people also want Luke to fail to blow up the Death Star in ANH? After all it was unrealistic that Darth Vader wouldn't just shoot his X-Wing out of the sky.

8 minutes ago, weebaer said:

I'll be honest, I'd be super disappointed if her staff skills only segue into a sith dream with a double sided lightsaber.  I want the real deal, not just a dream/vision...  Hopefully. 

Nope, lightsaber staffs are silly, you'd just chop off your own kneecap, you're a heretic, we can't be friends anymore. I hope you soon fall into a pit containing two of every carnivorous reptile.

8 minutes ago, weebaer said:

I always thought Bastila from KOTOR was awesome!

Sorry. I don't follow A Game of Thrones.

8 minutes ago, weebaer said:

  It is a little smaller after seeing the steeds gallop across the battle field but it is still there DANGIT!  lol

 

But when will we get miniatures of them?!?!?

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35 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

• The Phantom Menace
• Revenge of the Sith
• Attack of the Clones

I can agree with that order, maybe because I have a soft spot for TPM. I just re watched them all and man are those prequels hard to watch. It is interesting watching them after people now say they are the best ones. I use to blame the actors, but really the dialog is just so bad (except for Palp since he is just hamming it up) and the CGI ouch. You can see some good ideas, themes, and designs in all of bad as well. Lusas really needed someone to direct or at least go over the script.

 But every time I think of the hate for the sequels I don't think it will ever match the hate the prequels had for years. It may take some time, but with good acting, practical effects, and the fact that Disney will be throwing out books, games, and comics the hate will die.

39 minutes ago, weebaer said:

I'll count myself lucky that this is the first time Ive run into anyone using the term Mary Sue.

Oh boy you lucky son of a *****. It may one of the worse things to come out of Star Wars since Disney took over. Sometimes I almost think Star Wars should of stayed in George Lucas' abusive hands, but think better on it. Also makes me appreciate Game of Thrones fans and their well placed and justified hate. I think it is all made worse by the fact the word is used incorrectly and the subtext of what they really mean.

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4 hours ago, TauntaunScout said:

I miss the days when not everything was viewed through a harsh political lens. Like the yahoos who said The Lego Movie was anti-business. A 2 hour commercial that I paid money to see. Yep, sheer Marxism that was, eyerollmoji.

They were seriously saying that?  If anything, the Lego movie was an endorsement of deregulation and free markets! 

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7 hours ago, Red Castle said:

I think Snoke was meant to die in The Last Jedi from the start. Killing him was part of Kylo's fall to the dark side. It was meant for Kylo to kill his master to take his place as the Supreme Leader. While it as been told many times that the entire trilogy was not written from the start, I read an interview from Adam Driver where he said that the character arcs were written, that he knew where his character was going, he just didn't knew how he was going there. It is quite possible that from the start it was written that Kylo would become Supreme Leader.

It's possible, but JJ didn't write TLJ.  He wrote up TFA and added a ton of hooks for the next guy to riff off of.  To me, the biggest failing of TLJ isn't Kathleen Kennedy.  The people saying she's bad at her job are woefully ignorant of her IMDB profile.  Her name's attached with a ton of movies that people love, and she learned at the feet of Spielberg himself.  Her credentials are good.

To me, the biggest failing of the sequel trilogy is the Story Group.  Rather, it's the fact that they didn't use the Story Group to iron out a good three-movie arc beforehand, rather than using them to just sort of "okay" what Rian Johnson wrote.  They should have come up with a general plan before JJ every shot a scene for TFA.  Let the details be figured out by each movie's team, but give them certain major beats that need to be hit.  Obviously some things might necessitate some ... ingenuity (Carrie Fisher's death, for example), but the general skeleton for the trilogy should have been there from the start.

I think that's why the OT is so loved.  Each movie is distinct in tone, with each having a different director and being a different "act" in that three-act play.  But, because Lucas had the general skeleton of the thing done beforehand, everything feels like part of the same brand.  TFA feels like a natural continuation of that world.  TLJ just feels ... off.  It doesn't feel like a Saga movie to me.  It feels disconnected from TFA and the other six films that came before.  And, considering that it picks up immediately after TFA ends, it's very jarring.

That said, I don't hate the movie.  I wish they had not characterized Holdo so differently from her characterization in the Leia novel.  I wish they had not wasted Phasma--again--after building her up with a novel and comic miniseries.  I wish Ackbar could have been the one to sacrifice himself to save the Resistance, rather than being blown out into space by a missile launched by a no-name First Order pilot.  I wish we had more screen time with DJ.  But the movie wasn't terrible.

Honestly, it doesn't matter if Rise of Skywalker is good or bad.  It's going to be even worse than TLJ, because too many people on YouTube have made careers out of making videos about how bad Star Wars is and how inept Kathleen Kennedy is.

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5 hours ago, Lickintoad said:

It's possible, but JJ didn't write TLJ.  He wrote up TFA and added a ton of hooks for the next guy to riff off of. (....)

To me, the biggest failing of the sequel trilogy is the Story Group.  Rather, it's the fact that they didn't use the Story Group to iron out a good three-movie arc beforehand, rather than using them to just sort of "okay" what Rian Johnson wrote.  They should have come up with a general plan before JJ every shot a scene for TFA.  Let the details be figured out by each movie's team, but give them certain major beats that need to be hit.  Obviously some things might necessitate some ... ingenuity (Carrie Fisher's death, for example), but the general skeleton for the trilogy should have been there from the start.

But that's the thing from what we get from Adam Driver interview. When he signed to play Kylo, he knew where his character was going at the end of episode 9. So if he knew where his character was going, it means that some big lines have been drawn right from the beginning. While both JJ and Rian have been given full creative control, it's quite possible that they at least had some points to follow, a kind of connect the dots but in your own personnal way. In the case of Kylo Ren, it might have been as simple as: He connect with Rey, he kills his father, he kills his master to become Supreme Leader, he fights against Luke, etc. Now both directors had to decide how each events happened.

And it's not like they never talked together. We know that Rian asked JJ to change a thing or two leading into episode 8, like putting R2 on Ach-To instead of BB-8 like JJ wanted to do. Episode 8 was written before Episode 7 released in theater. And as far as hooks goes, we have yet to see Episode 9 and some answers might have been kept secret to protect some plot points from Episode 9. For exemple, let's say that Snoke was meant to be a puppet of Palpatine right from the beginning (only speculation here, it's just an exemple), I think it would be normal to not reveal Snoke backstory until we get to this revelation. There is an entire act left to be told, let's wait and see how it goes before saying that Rian didn't care about JJ hooks, maybe he could just not explore them.

And it's also normal for some story to change with time. Remember that Vader was not meant to be Luke's father right from the beginning, the idea came later... and that's a pretty major plot point in the Original Trilogy. 

5 hours ago, Lickintoad said:

 

Honestly, it doesn't matter if Rise of Skywalker is good or bad.  It's going to be even worse than TLJ, because too many people on YouTube have made careers out of making videos about how bad Star Wars is and how inept Kathleen Kennedy is.

Sad but true...