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[R3dReVenge 441]

13 minutes ago, costi said:

What?

"People keep telling me that they know me. NO ONE does!" -Rey

The most Mary Sue quote ever.

[Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun 9,495]

13 minutes ago, Darth Sanguis said:

I always wanted to know who they were supposed to be lol

@Darth Sanguis

Imperial Advisors Janus Greejatus and  Sim Aloo , both were named by my team at Decipher for the card game and are still in current Canon. 

As far as Imperial Advisors go,  I’m better looking and at kissing Emperor butttt by a Star Destroyer’s mile.  

[TheHoosh 372]

4 hours ago, TauntaunScout said:

Synthesis of film history? Oblique references to old politics with the benefit of hindsight? Using effects to tell a story instead of writing the story to show off new effects? No way, everyone's too egotistically focused on putting their own stamp on everything now.

I don't get all the hate for TLJ. It's not great but I personally rank it above TFA or the prequels.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, I rank it last but not horrible on my list, mostly because Finn and Rose fell very flat. I really liked the direction they took with Kylo Ren though

[VAYASAN 850]

2 hours ago, Darth Sanguis said:

Something something Star Wars fans are the worst something something...

Realistically, it's because there are multiple groups of people that don't like specific aspects of the movie, often with a good deal of overlap. 

If I could break them down as I've met them thus far, I'd sort them as such:

1.) The critic- Dislikes the movie but isn't obsessed with talking about it every time the movie comes up. Typically these folks have solid critiques of the film, usually centered around the lore. We don't see them often or they end up getting unjustly lumped with the more... vocal... people. 

2.) EU Zealot- Dislikes the movies not out of substance but on principal alone, basically see's the sequel trilogy as snuff films for their expired fan fiction. Usually the type to say "not my start wars" along with group 4.

3.) Man children- Hate to say it, but these are the individuals who pictured Luke as an infallible character and though nothing else offended them take the humanization of Luke as the death of the series.  Ironically these ones often really enjoyed VII. Typically known for "ruined my childhood". Also anything Mark Hamill says becomes religious doctrine to these ones. 

4.) Politically obnoxious- These people are exactly what you're picturing. The things they hate about this film don't really make any sense but they are polarized politically and get defensive when the slipper fits. Typically they whine about Holdo's strategy, her silence to the crew and treatment of Poe despite real world parallels. Also, and this one I really don't get, they see the Canto Bight scene as offensive to the rich, often correlating to the political right, even though the movie dictates that they're war profiteering, but whatever... you'll hear a lot of "SJWs" from these ones. 


 

I am a SW fan since a kid back in the 70s'.

I thought TLJ was very very poor.

I am not a raving anti disney/SW fan who demands things exactly as I want them....I love R1 for example, I enjoyed solo. TFA was 'ok' but too much of a copy of ANH...same story.

 

Compare the dialogue of all the Imperial officers in the original trilogy.  Its similar in R1.  Its sinister, they mean business.  We have good guys fighting against these very serious villains.

Now look at TLJ/first order.  Its a joke.  Its nothing like what SW was about.  Kids LOVED A New Hope....dosnt mean they  need pathetic baddies....they loved bad, bad guys.

TLJ opens with a jokey phone call between the leader in the field of the FO and a pilot...it sets the tone for the film.  It is NOT serious in the way star wars was and was so successful with.   Could you honestly imagine a radio call between Red Leader and Tarkin going like that?  Imagine tarkin falling for jokey jokes....it just is not the star wars that was created for us.

Edited October 23, 2019 by VAYASAN

[R3dReVenge 441]

4 hours ago, TauntaunScout said:

I don't get all the hate for TLJ. It's not great but I personally rank it above TFA or the prequels.

If I'm going to watch a Star Wars movie , I'm looking for epic scale battles + nail-biting, space-sword battles (That's a very low bar).

Now, it's OK if the movie doesn't have these things. But at least give me the components that make normal movies enjoyable.....  Interesting characters, a compelling villain/conflict, and a dynamic plot.

Episode 8 has neither.

 

Very few action scenes, with the few being quite embarrassing.

Boring characters. Rey is a Mary Sue. Kylo always loses to Rey, yet he's still the "big baddie". Fin is a joke, yet he somehow beats the battle-trained Phasma? Rose? I forgot about her, until someone brought her up the other day.

 

It's hard not to bring up politics when talking about episode 8. The movie was very political and I have no interest in politics. I notice that the people who enjoyed the movie most were liberals. There is nothing wrong with this, but it's an accurate observation. Though the general fan consensus was pretty negative. 

 

 

[TheHoosh 372]

2 hours ago, Darth Sanguis said:

Something something Star Wars fans are the worst something something...

Realistically, it's because there are multiple groups of people that don't like specific aspects of the movie, often with a good deal of overlap. 

If I could break them down as I've met them thus far, I'd sort them as such:

1.) The critic- Dislikes the movie but isn't obsessed with talking about it every time the movie comes up. Typically these folks have solid critiques of the film, usually centered around the lore. We don't see them often or they end up getting unjustly lumped with the more... vocal... people. 

2.) EU Zealot- Dislikes the movies not out of substance but on principal alone, basically see's the sequel trilogy as snuff films for their expired fan fiction. Usually the type to say "not my start wars" along with group 4.

3.) Man children- Hate to say it, but these are the individuals who pictured Luke as an infallible character and though nothing else offended them take the humanization of Luke as the death of the series.  Ironically these ones often really enjoyed VII. Typically known for "ruined my childhood". Also anything Mark Hamill says becomes religious doctrine to these ones. 

4.) Politically obnoxious- These people are exactly what you're picturing. The things they hate about this film don't really make any sense but they are polarized politically and get defensive when the slipper fits. Typically they whine about Holdo's strategy, her silence to the crew and treatment of Poe despite real world parallels. Also, and this one I really don't get, they see the Canto Bight scene as offensive to the rich, often correlating to the political right, even though the movie dictates that they're war profiteering, but whatever... you'll hear a lot of "SJWs" from these ones. 


 

You forgot about the Mary Jane people....complaining about Rey being too powerful. I have things I did not like about the film mainly Rose and Finn were just boring to watch and seemed to lack urgency in their secret mission. But I loved Luke Skywalker and his dynamic with Kylo Ren and just Kylo Ren in general.

[LunarSol 1,369]

26 minutes ago, TheHoosh said:

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, I rank it last but not horrible on my list, mostly because Finn and Rose fell very flat. I really liked the direction they took with Kylo Ren though

If a tenth of the criticisms for the film read like this, I would feel completely different about the last couple of years.

[TheHoosh 372]

Just now, LunarSol said:

If a tenth of the criticisms for the film read like this, I would feel completely different about the last couple of years.

Star Wars has a lot of fanboys that if its not perfect its horrible, TLJ was not perfect, had some big issues, but really was still enjoyable and I'd rather have more Star Wars content than less. 

[Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun 9,495]

 

The only rebutle I have is simply this music. 

42 years after I saw a Star Destroyer chasing down Leia’s corvette, this music still brings me back to my 6 year old self. 

When you watch this movie,  go ahead, allow yourself to go back and be transported to a Long time ago, in the galaxy Far, Far away, and meet your 6 year old self again then have the time of your lives together.   Smile.   Smile some more.    Both of you deserve it.

 

[Tonytt1642 56]

1 hour ago, R3dReVenge said:

The most Mary Sue quote ever. I died laughing when she said it in the trailer. And here people will argue that she isn’t a Mary Sue LOL.

What the **** are you talking about?...

[LunarSol 1,369]

28 minutes ago, VAYASAN said:

TLJ opens with a jokey phone call between the leader in the field of the FO and a pilot...it sets the tone for the film.  It is NOT serious in the way star wars was and was so successful with.   Could you honestly imagine a radio call between Red Leader and Tarkin going like that?  Imagine tarkin falling for jokey jokes....it just is not the star wars that was created for us.

Generally speaking, I like Hux's role.  He's legitimately scary as his mindless hatred drives him to unspeakable atrocities, but at the core he doesn't actually have any personal motivations fueling his hatred.  He's been taught hate; inherited hate may be the better term, but it means he falls apart as a villain very easily.  The FO is both terrible and hollow.  In many ways a villain for our time.  That said, this scene is also a bit of the film that could have shaved off a joke or two to both save time and pick up the pacing.  It's one of the many instances of a well executed idea that needed some stricter editing to keep the film on track.

[RyantheFett 532]

I also find the view against having politics in Star Wars very strange since RotS is not even subtle about its political views. I mean Anakin straight up quotes Geroge W. Bush almost word for word. Then throw in Papa Palp using a war that he created behind the scenes to gain even more power and destroy democracy (which he loves) and in case you missed it Padme is explains it all just in case.

RotJ i guess is a lot more subtle then the prequels, don't remember about ANH/ESB, and I'm pretty sure TPM does have strong views on both powerful businesses in politics and the failure of the Senate.

If anything Solo, Rouge One, and TFA sort of cut back on the politics in Star Wars.

[RyantheFett 532]

20 minutes ago, TheHoosh said:

but really was still enjoyable and I'd rather have more Star Wars content than less

This right here!! Maybe a movie a year was a bit much, but even mediocre Star Wars movies was better then whatever George Lucas was doing with the IP. Video games they still need a lot of work, but the comics, TV shows, and books have all been pretty solid and I don't see no reason to blow it all up because of one controversial movie. They are even throwing stuff to FFG (Starhawk & laser cannon that will be in 9) never thought i would see that.

[R3dReVenge 441]

22 minutes ago, Tonytt1642 said:

What the **** are you talking about?...

Google Mary Sue bud.

[TauntaunScout 4,276]

56 minutes ago, R3dReVenge said:

Episode 8 has neither.

 

Neither did 1, 2, 3, or 7. Why pick on 8?

What scale is an Epic anyways? Is that one Haiku to 72 Sonnets? Most battles are not to a relative scale anyways, they're 1:1.

56 minutes ago, R3dReVenge said:

Boring characters. Rey is a Mary Sue.

Asked and answered.

56 minutes ago, R3dReVenge said:

 

 The movie was very political and I have no interest in politics.

 

So were Lucas' SW movies.

[Darth Sanguis 6,327]

1 hour ago, VAYASAN said:

compare the dialogue of all the Imperial officers in the original trilogy.

That's a feature, not a bug. 

It was intentional to show that the first order, while technologically more advanced, are inexperienced and typically undisciplined. Canady, the Captain of the Fulminatrix was an Imperial who converted to the First Order. The Novelization goes deep into how much disdain the old imperials have for the lack of experience the First order crews had. Hux in particular, who while a genius for weapon designs, has basically no leadership skills was looked at as a joke. 

Definitely intentional. 

[Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun 9,495]

 

The Ocean Moon of Kef Bir is confirmed.

 

Who’s going to make a Legion board???!

 

[R3dReVenge 441]

5 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

Neither did 1, 2, 3, or 7. Why pick on 8?

What scale is an Epic anyways? Is that one Haiku to 72 Sonnets? Most battles are not to a relative scale anyways, they're 1:1.

Asked and answered.

So were Lucas' SW movies.

I would argue that 3 and 7 did.

 8 destroyed any character development that was created in 7.

3 was very interesting to watch despite its linear, predictable plot.

1 and 2 were meh.

Edited October 23, 2019 by R3dReVenge

[Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun 9,495]

 

Siskel and Ebert, for those of you too young to remember pre inter webs, these guys were beloved (and at times lambasted) critics.  

 

[Darth Sanguis 6,327]

1 hour ago, TheHoosh said:

You forgot about the Mary Jane people....complaining about Rey being too powerful. I have things I did not like about the film mainly Rose and Finn were just boring to watch and seemed to lack urgency in their secret mission. But I loved Luke Skywalker and his dynamic with Kylo Ren and just Kylo Ren in general.

They don't have a set group, but they are often found in connection with 4, as seen below. 

1 hour ago, R3dReVenge said:

It's hard not to bring up politics when talking about episode 8. The movie was very political and I have no interest in politics. I notice that the people who enjoyed the movie most were liberals. There is nothing wrong with this, but it's an accurate observation. Though the general fan consensus was pretty negative. 

 

[LunarSol 1,369]

The Mary Sue arguments kill me in a franchise is which the original author used his own name for the main hero.

There's some legitimate gripes to be had from the origin of the term (on the subject of "look it up") but modern day use is mostly a reaction from people who are experiencing a story in which the hero doesn't really represent them very well.  There's very much a reason Mary gets a lot more attention than her cousin Marty.

[TheHoosh 372]

I never thought the movie was political till people starting ranting about it, but that is everything now. Movies can't just be enjoyed for what they are they have to be over-analyzed, dissected, and wrung through what politically motivated the film.  It gets really old, you know its bad when they say Cars 3 is pushing feminism....its a kids film teaching kids to not be selfish and put others first just like the first Cars movie. Same with TLJ its a star wars movie for enjoyment not a secret plot to change us over to communism or whatever.

[Derpzilla88 1,291]

1 hour ago, TheHoosh said:

Star Wars has a lot of fanboys that if its not perfect its horrible.

No one hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans.

[TauntaunScout 4,276]

4 minutes ago, R3dReVenge said:

Google Mary Sue bud.

I don't think you understand how egregious a term Mary Sue is. Rey doesn't even come close.

"Gee, golly, gosh, gloriosky," thought Mary Sue as she stepped on the bridge of the Enterprise. "Here I am, the youngest lieutenant in the fleet - only fifteen and a half years old." Captain Kirk came up to her.

"Oh, Lieutenant, I love you madly. Will you come to bed with me?" "Captain! I am not that kind of girl!" "You're right, and I respect you for it. Here, take over the ship for a minute while I go get some coffee for us." Mr. Spock came onto the bridge. "What are you doing in the command seat, Lieutenant?" "The Captain told me to." "Flawlessly logical. I admire your mind."

Captain Kirk, Mr. Spock, Dr. McCoy and Mr. Scott beamed down with Lt. Mary Sue to Rigel XXXVII. They were attacked by green androids and thrown into prison. In a moment of weakness Lt. Mary Sue revealed to Mr. Spock that she too was half Vulcan. Recovering quickly, she sprung the lock with her hairpin and they all got away back to the ship.

But back on board, Dr. McCoy and Lt. Mary Sue found out that the men who had beamed down were seriously stricken by the jumping cold robbies, Mary Sue less so. While the four officers languished in Sick Bay, Lt. Mary Sue ran the ship, and ran it so well she received the Nobel Peace Prize, the Vulcan Order of Gallantry and the Tralfamadorian Order of Good Guyhood.

However the disease finally got to her and she fell fatally ill. In the Sick Bay as she breathed her last, she was surrounded by Captain Kirk, Mr. Spock, Dr. McCoy, and Mr. Scott, all weeping unashamedly at the loss of her beautiful youth and youthful beauty, intelligence, capability and all around niceness. Even to this day her birthday is a national holiday of the Enterprise.

 

[TauntaunScout 4,276]

40 minutes ago, Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun said:

 

Siskel and Ebert, for those of you too young to remember pre inter webs, these guys were beloved (and at times lambasted) critics.  

 

And the dragon in Willow was named after them. There's no higher honor than that. Neil Armstrong wishes he got that instead of walking on the moon.