Final Rise of Skywalker Trailer ‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️

[LunarSol 1,369]

17 minutes ago, Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun said:

Confirmed   The Rise of Skywalker Runtime is 155 min making it the longest of The SAGA films.

 

Kind of disappointing.  My one real gripe with Ep8 is that its a little long to casually rewatch; and its a film I've enjoyed far more on further viewings.

[Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun 9,495]

 

 

 

[TauntaunScout 4,276]

If they were serious about passing a torch to a new cast of characters, this would have made a perfect Episode 7.

[TheHoosh 372]

2 hours ago, LunarSol said:

Kind of disappointing.  My one real gripe with Ep8 is that its a little long to casually rewatch; and its a film I've enjoyed far more on further viewings.

I'm glad they are making this one a long film, there is a lot of stuff to fill in from episode 8, the resistance was on life support. The film really lacked a lot of substance similar to episode 7. lots of fun star wars action, but they have to develop the story at some point and 9 has to make up for 8's lack 

[Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun 9,495]

 

Funny 🤣

 

 

[Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun 9,495]

 

Rey’s staff,  Chewbacca’s Bowcaster and bandolier.

 

[Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun 9,495]

 

 

[costi 1,297]

The one in the middle is the Shadow Caster (Lancer-class pursuit craft)

[Alan Noir 426]

3 hours ago, Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun said:

 

Rey’s staff,  Chewbacca’s Bowcaster and bandolier.

 

Well spotted.

The trailer didn't give me chills, but I've enjoyed the new movies so far. Hopefully they pull off something great. My main reservation is the difficulty in general of pulling off a good part 3. 

[VAYASAN 850]

I honestly think they need to restart a lot of the trilogy in the third film after TLJ.

I will go see it and hope they can regain some dignity for SW and focus on what made SW great in the first place.

 

TLJ was a mess of a film...no real continuity or anything to 'finish off' in the third film...has to write its own little story in the 3rd film first and then finish it due to bad writing in the 2nd film.

[TauntaunScout 4,276]

2 hours ago, VAYASAN said:

 

I will go see it and hope they can regain some dignity for SW and focus on what made SW great in the first place.

Synthesis of film history? Oblique references to old politics with the benefit of hindsight? Using effects to tell a story instead of writing the story to show off new effects? No way, everyone's too egotistically focused on putting their own stamp on everything now.

2 hours ago, VAYASAN said:

TLJ was a mess of a film...no real continuity or anything to 'finish off' in the third film...has to write its own little story in the 3rd film first and then finish it due to bad writing in the 2nd film.

I don't get all the hate for TLJ. It's not great but I personally rank it above TFA or the prequels.

[Tonytt1642 56]

16 hours ago, FullmetalTimo said:

Here, have my opinion, and sorry if im going to sound offensive here:

Thisis going to be a dumpster fire. Even more so than TLJ. Saw the new trailer and thought okay, they shoved in as much nostalgia as possible, cause no one at Disney knows what actually to do with Star Wars.
I mean, Remeber OG Star Destroyers? Remeber the Emperor? Remember Lando? Here, have it!
and thats just the tip of the iceberg.
Rey saying "Everyone knows me", how the actual f does anybody knows her?
Resistance got obliterated in the last movie, and now they have this big *** fleet.
They just took everything they thought SW fans like, put it in a stew and gave us this.
And dont even bring up this stupid riding/running scene on the Star Destroyer surface... Just looks stupid.

SW as far as movies go was dead to me after EP8 and i didnt think i would ever again care, but i care about this. Because this is even worse than i have imagined.
 

She dosent say "everyone knows me" she says "everyone thinks they know me" 

[Darth Sanguis 6,327]

2 hours ago, TauntaunScout said:

I don't get all the hate for TLJ. It's not great but I personally rank it above TFA or the prequels.

Something something Star Wars fans are the worst something something...

Realistically, it's because there are multiple groups of people that don't like specific aspects of the movie, often with a good deal of overlap. 

If I could break them down as I've met them thus far, I'd sort them as such:

1.) The critic- Dislikes the movie but isn't obsessed with talking about it every time the movie comes up. Typically these folks have solid critiques of the film, usually centered around the lore. We don't see them often or they end up getting unjustly lumped with the more... vocal... people. 

2.) EU Zealot- Dislikes the movies not out of substance but on principal alone, basically see's the sequel trilogy as snuff films for their expired fan fiction. Usually the type to say "not my start wars" along with group 4.

3.) Man children- Hate to say it, but these are the individuals who pictured Luke as an infallible character and though nothing else offended them take the humanization of Luke as the death of the series.  Ironically these ones often really enjoyed VII. Typically known for "ruined my childhood". Also anything Mark Hamill says becomes religious doctrine to these ones. 

4.) Politically obnoxious- These people are exactly what you're picturing. The things they hate about this film don't really make any sense but they are polarized politically and get defensive when the slipper fits. Typically they whine about Holdo's strategy, her silence to the crew and treatment of Poe despite real world parallels. Also, and this one I really don't get, they see the Canto Bight scene as offensive to the rich, often correlating to the political right, even though the movie dictates that they're war profiteering, but whatever... you'll hear a lot of "SJWs" from these ones. 


 

Edited October 23, 2019 by Darth Sanguis

[LunarSol 1,369]

A nice breakdown.  TLJ is tough for me, in no small part because its miserable to talk about.

That said, the biggest issue for me is it contains some of my favorite things in all the movies and it hugely rewards rewatching for details, but its pacing isn't really as smooth or quick enough to put on a loop like I can ANH or RotJ.  The sheer amount of time and detail put into things is hugely rewarding and the film probably makes Kylo one of the best realized characters in the entire franchise.  Even Canto fits better than I first remembered, though it remains the biggest drag on pacing.  I just wish it was an easier film to watch, but its just a little long.

[ArcticJedi 154]

10 hours ago, Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun said:

 

 

This isn't quiet right @Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun, the thing you marked as a hammerhead corvette is thus far an unknown vessel(though it could be a variant or newer version of the hammerhead) The "modified hammerhead" is the legit thing. It's a Nebulon-b, I do not know what the thing you have marked as a modified gr-75 though I think it is an assault frigate, possibly the unseen Nebulon-c or -d etc.., same as the other one you have marked as a GR-75. that is a Wookie Azuitick Gunship or a newer model, not a laat/c. there are several more MC-75's in the picture. That's not a CR-90, that's a Pelta Class Frigate. see the things in the back? I do not know if the other things you have are marked correctly, it's too indistinct.

[Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun 9,495]

5 minutes ago, ArcticJedi said:

This isn't quiet right @Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun

Oh it’s not mine,  I just very much like imagery/graphic that the OP started here and wanted to share it.   

I sent him 3 corrections (2 were mine) and he’s working on it.   

 

 

[ArcticJedi 154]

1 minute ago, Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun said:

Oh it’s not mine,  I just very much like imagery/graphic that the OP started here and wanted to share it.   

I sent him 3 corrections (2 were mine) and he’s working on it.   

 

 

Oh! Sorry for the misunderstanding.

But props to the person who went through the trouble of trying to identify the ships independently. 

[Dcalov 61]

1 hour ago, Darth Sanguis said:

1.) The critic- Dislikes the movie but isn't obsessed with talking about it every time the movie comes up. Typically these folks have solid critiques of the film, usually centered around the lore. We don't see them often or they end up getting unjustly lumped with the more... vocal... people. 

This is the main reason I don't really like talking about TLJ. I thought it was entertaining, but it didn't feel right. I have some serious issues with the plot. I don't like to speak on it because I don't want people to perceive my critiques as politically charged when they're not. One example: I didn't care for the Holdo maneuver. I don't care that she's a woman, or that her hair is purple, or any of the "SJW" bullcrap people like to cry about. I just don't like that it fundamentally changes the way hyperspace works. It makes me question every other "underdog" situation the rebellion has found themselves in, and wondering why they don't hyperspace smaller ships through imperial dreadnoughts/destroyers more often. At the end of the day, that scene doesn't break the movie for me, that was just an example I wanted to bring up because it was mentioned previously.

But oftentimes when discussions of this movie come up I keep my mouth shut, because it feels like so many of the loud idiotic basement-dwellers have almost taken "ownership" of critiquing the film, like it's their job or something. That's a group I don't want to be a part of/lumped in with. I think the most tragic aspect of The Last Jedi is how badly it has polarized the fan-base. That's quite sad to me. I have the highest hopes that tROS will stitch up some of those wounds.

[Darth Sanguis 6,327]

3 minutes ago, Dcalov said:

This is the main reason I don't really like talking about TLJ. I thought it was entertaining, but it didn't feel right. I have some serious issues with the plot. I don't like to speak on it because I don't want people to perceive my critiques as politically charged when they're not. One example: I didn't care for the Holdo maneuver. I don't care that she's a woman, or that her hair is purple, or any of the "SJW" bullcrap people like to cry about. I just don't like that it fundamentally changes the way hyperspace works. It makes me question every other "underdog" situation the rebellion has found themselves in, and wondering why they don't hyperspace smaller ships through imperial dreadnoughts/destroyers more often. At the end of the day, that scene doesn't break the movie for me, that was just an example I wanted to bring up because it was mentioned previously.

But oftentimes when discussions of this movie come up I keep my mouth shut, because it feels like so many of the loud idiotic basement-dwellers have almost taken "ownership" of critiquing the film, like it's their job or something. That's a group I don't want to be a part of/lumped in with. I think the most tragic aspect of The Last Jedi is how badly it has polarized the fan-base. That's quite sad to me. I have the highest hopes that tROS will stitch up some of those wounds.

Well, the good news is you're not alone.  lol  I can't even count the number of people who dislike the film and have solid critiques about lore or pacing or even plot, but never talk about it because of how it will make them look.

 

[Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun 9,495]

 

The Emperor Palpatine the Great,  making contingecy plans with His Imperial Advisors, should a certain forseen bit of treachery unravel during the tumult of The Battle of Endor.

’Always in motion, the Future is.’

‘Everything is proceeding as I have Foreseen.’

 

😉 😇

 

[R3dReVenge 441]

2 hours ago, Tonytt1642 said:

She dosent say "everyone knows me" she says "everyone thinks they know me" 

The most Mary Sue quote ever. I died laughing when she said it in the trailer. And here people will argue that she isn’t a Mary Sue LOL.

[costi 1,297]

9 minutes ago, R3dReVenge said:

The most Mary Sue quote ever. I died laughing when she said it in the trailer. And here people will argue that she isn’t a Mary Sue LOL.

What?

[Darth Sanguis 6,327]

11 minutes ago, Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun said:

 

The Emperor Palpatine the Great,  making contingecy plans with His Imperial Advisors, should a certain forseen bit of treachery unravel during the tumult of The Battle of Endor.

’Always in motion, the Future is.’

‘Everything is proceeding as I have Foreseen.’

 

😉 😇

 

I always wanted to know who they were supposed to be lol

[RyantheFett 532]

1 hour ago, Darth Sanguis said:

1.) The critic- Dislikes the movie but isn't obsessed with talking about it every time the movie comes up. Typically these folks have solid critiques of the film, usually centered around the lore. We don't see them often or they end up getting unjustly lumped with the more... vocal... people. 

I got nothing wrong with these people as I do find some of the choices made with TLJ to be very confusing. I can't tell if I respect Disney for being so ballsy or upset that they went suck a crazy way that upset a lot of fans.

1 hour ago, Darth Sanguis said:

2.) EU Zealot- Dislikes the movies not out of substance but on principal alone, basically see's the sequel trilogy as snuff films for their expired fan fiction. Usually the type to say "not my start wars" along with group 4.

My best friend truly hated them killing the EU and truly disliked everything about TFA and how new canon just started taking everything from EU. He finally came around (thanks to X-wing and Legion lol), but the hate there for years of loyalty was something to behold.

1 hour ago, Darth Sanguis said:

4.) Politically obnoxious- These people are exactly what you're picturing. The things they hate about this film don't really make any sense but they are polarized politically and get defensive when the slipper fits. Typically they whine about Holdo's strategy, her silence to the crew and treatment of Poe despite real world parallels. Also, and this one I really don't get, they see the Canto Bight scene as offensive to the rich, often correlating to the political right, even though the movie dictates that they're war profiteering, but whatever... you'll hear a lot of "SJWs" from these ones. 

This one right here is why I find it hard to take anything said about TLJ at face value. The videos enough on YouTube can really just be downright nasty. 20 minute videos on why "girls don't like Star Wars and will not buy Star Wars toys so stop putting pink hair women in our Star Wars!!" or how "Kathleen Kennedy has betrayed Star Wars and should resign right now!!". Throw in the irony of how Ewoks (Vietnam) take down the Empire (U.S.), strong female Liea fighting the man (the chracter is sooo good in the movies), and evil Ani straight up quoting Bush and yaaaaaaaa it feels like Star Wars got caught up in the culture wars and is somehow on both sides. And I find a lot wrong with the TLJ that should be analyzed for its faults, but nowhere near the hate it gets now.

 P.S. If I hear people use the term Mary Sue again (incorrectly as a cherry on top) in my lifetime it will be too soon.

[LunarSol 1,369]

One of the big issues talking about TLJ is that its not pandering the way a lot of blockbusters are.   It's off putting and manipulative, and in a few places it takes that too far, but its also thoughtful and challenging in a franchise that has struggled to do either since Luke's confrontation with the Emperor in RotJ.  Rewatching it has the strange effect of being pretty easy to see where it has some legitimately great setup like most of Luke's final duel, but also where its probably trying a little too hard to subvert expectations.  A good example is Leia's divisive survival, which didn't land for me in theaters, but upon a second viewing made me really appreciate little things like how she drops into a meditation as the torpedo hits and how my awareness of what happens next (and in part, what happened before) alters my perception of her facial expression.  The movie is LOADED with this stuff, and makes for one of the more meaty and rewatchable films in the franchise... if only it was a little shorter and easier to rewatch.