FFG Live Legion -- Points Changes being discussed!

[Cavkov 92]

Yes! So happy for my AT-ST getting some love!

[Jedirev 352]

10 minutes ago, JBar said:

Even though it will be a little inconvenient that we'll have to look up points costs, I'd rather do that then not get to use some of the minis I own. Can't wait to try out the T-47!

Who isn't using a builder these days?

[werdnaegni 1,575]

20 minutes ago, gothound said:

Punctual as ever!

Could you add the specialist 2s to the Troopers?

I think I missed something. What do you mean by specialist 2s?

[werdnaegni 1,575]

5 minutes ago, Jedirev said:

Who isn't using a builder these days?

Not a fan of them myself.

[Uchidan1 94]

They are talking about the Tusken Raider Condition Unit Expansion

[RyantheFett 532]

Wow the amount of changes are really crazy, I can't wait to see what else we got in store on Friday if this is only some of the changes. Come on Jyn and pathfinders!!

[jocke01 921]

1 hour ago, ResoluteHusky said:

Wow, they dropped 35 points on the T-47, isn't that a lot?

The one from X-Wing?

It's alot, but the unit was alot expensive 😋

[jocke01 921]

So happy for this, units like the at-st and airspeeders are valid choices again and the range 5 is a great way to buff dish turret and nerf snipers.

Way to go design team!, Have a medal!!

[TauntaunScout 4,280]

32 minutes ago, Uchidan1 said:

They are talking about the Tusken Raider Condition Unit Expansion

This is the best day of Legion since tauntauns were announced. 

[Darkwinter 4]

Really pleased. 

If we get more reductions, jyn, path finders etc... 

I’d like them to max activation cap 10. (Id prefer 9) 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[MasterShake2 5,186]

1 minute ago, TauntaunScout said:

This is the best day of Legion since tauntauns were announced. 

 

Truly the day that Tauntauns and T-47s can be both be maxed out in a list will be a day long remembered

[Teravoc 43]

2 hours ago, werdnaegni said:

Tabletop Admiral updated with what we've got so far. Checkbox at the top if you want to use old points still. New points by default.

I wish I was this efficient. Well done! 

[Derrault 1,091]

@SpiderMana
"T-47 is 140 points, weapons dropped as well."

So, to be clear they dropped it 35 point and changed nothing else about the base unit?

@R3dReVenge
"As I’ve said in several threads.  

@Derrault 

This is exciting!"

I mean, I'll take the free points, but I assume this will just lead to most armies including a Heavy of some kind.

Also, someone mentioned on another thread that snipers are getting a points increase? Depends on how much they increased by, but the justification for bringing snipers at all was to pad activations; if they're as or more expensive than any alternative, they don't seem to have a purpose.

[R3dReVenge 441]

1 minute ago, Derrault said:

@SpiderMana
"T-47 is 140 points, weapons dropped as well."

So, to be clear they dropped it 35 point and changed nothing else about the base unit?

@R3dReVenge
"As I’ve said in several threads.  

@Derrault 

This is exciting!"

I mean, I'll take the free points, but I assume this will just lead to most armies including a Heavy of some kind.

Also, someone mentioned on another thread that snipers are getting a points increase? Depends on how much they increased by, but the justification for bringing snipers at all was to pad activations; if they're as or more expensive than any alternative, they don't seem to have a purpose.

Correct. Buzzer got reduced to 10 points. 

Sniper teams went up 4 points base (nerf to saboteurs too).

[devin.pike.1989 1,546]

1 hour ago, Uchidan1 said:

They are talking about the Tusken Raider Condition Unit Expansion 

All right!!!  Now I am crossing fingers for jawas...

[Teravoc 43]

Reduction in ranges for snipers is a great solution in my opinion - increase in points cost does slightly improve the efficiency in taking the larger special forces squads lowing the range of course means the whole squad at that point is likely to see more action. Does not completely kill it for those enjoying the triple sniper with all the other points reductions I think the 12 points is really inconsequential.

I remember reading somewhere about the Hoth - Power Creep. Maybe there was something in that after all lol.

Bit of

Leia, Han, Turret, twin Tauntauns, double Vets, Emplacement + T47. Thematic list at least

[Darkwinter 4]

Hopefully they will also put a rule in. The points of support + heavy can not exceed 50% of your total army value. I’d hate this game to swing the other way. 2 at st 3 speeder bikes 3 storms and veers. Scary 

[R3dReVenge 441]

1 minute ago, Darkwinter said:

Hopefully they will also put a rule in. The points of support + heavy can not exceed 50% of your total army value. I’d hate this game to swing the other way. 2 at st 3 speeder bikes 3 storms and veers. Scary 

How does that list expect to win an objective based game though? 

People will always have knee-jerk reactions to power level adjustments. I'm sure everything will be fine... The biggest nerf to sniper teams has to be that more vehicle options are available at a reasonable price. The actual increase in sniper price is pretty negligible.  

 

[Darkwinter 4]

I may be over reacting 🤯

however I can see this being a thing in competitive play. 

Of the 5 missions only 2 require actual troopers to claim or damage repair. 

In the damage repair you place yours next to your troops and it usually boils down to points killed for the win. 4 units (veers + storms) should be able to achieve this. 

Claim is different. However you hide your troopers and go big guns after your opponent. 3 speeders and 2 at st s can do a lot of damage. Hopefully you can push back your opponent for a late game win. 

It’s not an auto win. But my god I hate to go against it with a normal army. 

Its a simple fix to prevent this kind of abuse. 

 

Edited September 3, 2019 by Darkwinter

[R3dReVenge 441]

19 minutes ago, Darkwinter said:

I may be over reacting 🤯

however I can see this being a thing in competitive play. 

Of the 5 missions only 2 require actual troopers to claim or damage repair. 

In the damage repair you place yours next to your troops and it usually boils down to points killed for the win. 4 units (veers + storms) should be able to achieve this. 

Claim is different. However you hide your troopers and go big guns after your opponent. 3 speeders and 2 at st s can do a lot of damage. Hopefully you can push back your opponent for a late game win. 

It’s not an auto win. But my god I hate to go against it with a normal army. 

Its a simple fix to prevent this kind of abuse. 

 

I think you should be afraid of x2 AAT lists over x2 AT-ST lists. The reduction of AT-STs is to make them in line with the new powerful heavies. 

The T-47 point reduction is quite generous. I estimated around 20-30 (max) and we got a 35 + 10 (buzzer) point reduction. 

Don't worry, the meta will adapt, more AV will be brought and the cyclic nature of these games will continue. 

 

Vehicles are cheap and good -> People bring AV -> Vehicles become much less effective -> People bring less vehicles and more infantry -> People see less vehicles, so they reduce AV -> People see less AV so they bring vehicles. 

 

We've never really saw this in this game because vehicles were so darn expensive, that normal troop lists could beat them with very few AV options.

[Derrault 1,091]

1 hour ago, R3dReVenge said:

Correct. Buzzer got reduced to 10 points. 

Sniper teams went up 4 points base (nerf to saboteurs too).

Good gravy! So, 4 dice for the price of 1 extra trooper.

Yeah, no way would I spend 48 points to get 2 wounds on the table. 

 

[TauntaunScout 4,280]

This is pretty awesome. Legion’s getting better and better. 

[lologrelol 491]

3 hours ago, werdnaegni said:

Tabletop Admiral updated with what we've got so far. Checkbox at the top if you want to use old points still. New points by default.

Legend

...

I feel vindicated in all my Derrault counter-trolling now. Thanks designers.

[Tirion 2,223]

3 hours ago, werdnaegni said:

Tabletop Admiral updated with what we've got so far. Checkbox at the top if you want to use old points still. New points by default.

my hero

[R3dReVenge 441]

Just now, lologrelol said:

Legend

...

I feel vindicated in all my Derrault counter-trolling now. Thanks designers.

Same. Right about this. Right about FO/Resistance factions getting the boot. 

It's as if I know something😎