What If- First Order were next

[R3dReVenge 441]

44 minutes ago, chr335 said:

Honestly I am feeling the First Order and the Resistance will end up as sub-factions of the Empire and the Rebellion if we get those.

This makes the most sense. There isn’t enough content for either faction. 

[Draycos 98]

First order Idea: 

Core unit

First Order Storm troopers

Trooper, 36 points

3 Trooper models

1 health, 2 courage

Indoctrinated (This Unit cannot become panicked. During the rally step this unit rolls red dice. Remove one suppression for each Block result rolled.)

Attack: 2 White dice range 1-3, 1 black die Melee

Defense: 1 Red

No surge

Slots: Heavy, Personnel x2 (option of adding up to two generic troopers [12 points each]), Training?, Gear, Grenade

---------------------------------------------

Heavy:

FWMP-10 First Order Trooper (28? points)

First order troopers only

3 black dice

Targeting assist 2: When this weapon is added to an attack you may change up to 2 surge results to hits. 

[EVIL INC 207]

See, there is more than enough content to warrant their own factions. Just a matter of brainstorming ways to put the differences into game terms along with ways to incorporate units that are essentially the same (Such as many vehicles that are the same but have different drivers) in ways to help them stand out or look different). I'm sure we can all come up with ideas (and many of us have) without putting others down or harassing them for having the ideas. After all these forums exist to provide a warm and welcoming environment for all users, and behavior such as that undermines that purpose.

I think the upcoming movie will give us more to think about and provide  new ideas.  Even if they dont change some units like stormtroopers, they can have different poses. Many empire players wouldbuy them just for visual variety in their forces. i have some empire forces and i know I would gladly mix them to to have more variety in a game whichever faction I happened to be playing.

You also need to consider that many of the named characters that overlap would be different depending on which faction you were in. Look at Luke as a prime example. That means how they affect or interact with other units would vary causing those other units to be used in different ways.

Edited August 22, 2019 by EVIL INC

[R3dReVenge 441]

6 hours ago, EVIL INC said:

See, there is more than enough content to warrant their own factions. Just a matter of brainstorming ways to put the differences into game terms along with ways to incorporate units that are essentially the same (Such as many vehicles that are the same but have different drivers) in ways to help them stand out or look different). I'm sure we can all come up with ideas (and many of us have) without putting others down or harassing them for having the ideas. After all these forums exist to provide a warm and welcoming environment for all users, and behavior such as that undermines that purpose.

I think the upcoming movie will give us more to think about and provide  new ideas.  Even if they dont change some units like stormtroopers, they can have different poses. Many empire players wouldbuy them just for visual variety in their forces. i have some empire forces and i know I would gladly mix them to to have more variety in a game whichever faction I happened to be playing.

You also need to consider that many of the named characters that overlap would be different depending on which faction you were in. Look at Luke as a prime example. That means how they affect or interact with other units would vary causing those other units to be used in different ways.

I don't know what you've been reading, but no one has said anything hateful, or anything even close to harassing on this thread.

Has the world become so soft that disagreeing with someone is now equivalent to harassing? God help us all!

 

But back to the topic at hand: For FO and Resistance to become real factions we need to think of at least 3 corps, 3 operative, 2 heavy, 3 support, etc. We should be able to fill a slot for each filled Rebel + Empire slot. I'm struggling to fill most slots except commanders and operatives. Those slots can easily be filled. Maybe you have some ideas? What other corp options do you think are available for these factions?

I think making them sub factions may be best (at first). Release a few units for FO and Resistance, but basically have them play as the Empire / Rebels. For example, you can run Rey as your commander and Resistance fighters as your corps (new units), but the rest of your army can consist of the other rebel units (things like Wookies, Tautans, etc). This is what 40K did with several factions during 6th edition. 

Then if the sub factions became popular, GW released new books for these sub factions (with a filled out roster). 

Edited August 23, 2019 by R3dReVenge

[EVIL INC 207]

In all your posts you have to troll? Looking back through...looks like it.

To bring the conversation back to the actual topic...

It does not matter if they  are a full faction of their own (what will most likely happen as there is already enough there to give them enough options to fill all of the slots and still have enough options that not all armies will be the same) or a sub faction (not as likely). Either way, we need to remember that we are looking at a few years wait and probably an edition away (which means talking points is behind talking ideas in terms of importance).

I feel that the upcoming movie will reveal more ideas and possibly even a few more units/characters. besides, at the end of the day, we have already seen that FF is perfectly able to make all new units (they did this in x wing). Also, look at it this way, we are only seeing in the movies a small part of the first order. Do you honestly believe that they completely pulled all forces off of ice planets or desert planets? when brainstorming, we should also think about how the first order recruiting and training and equipment has upgraded the units stationed on those planets and are not featured in the movies. What about the "navy forces" with the more strict training. 

Edited August 23, 2019 by EVIL INC

[R3dReVenge 441]

3 hours ago, EVIL INC said:

In all your posts you have to troll? Looking back through...looks like it.

To bring the conversation back to the actual topic...

It does not matter if they  are a full faction of their own (what will most likely happen as there is already enough there to give them enough options to fill all of the slots and still have enough options that not all armies will be the same) or a sub faction (not as likely). Either way, we need to remember that we are looking at a few years wait and probably an edition away (which means talking points is behind talking ideas in terms of importance).

I feel that the upcoming movie will reveal more ideas and possibly even a few more units/characters. besides, at the end of the day, we have already seen that FF is perfectly able to make all new units (they did this in x wing). Also, look at it this way, we are only seeing in the movies a small part of the first order. Do you honestly believe that they completely pulled all forces off of ice planets or desert planets? when brainstorming, we should also think about how the first order recruiting and training and equipment has upgraded the units stationed on those planets and are not featured in the movies. What about the "navy forces" with the more strict training. 

I don't know if you know what trolling is.. Especially, if you think I've been trolling in every post. I can only think of one instance, where I joked about making Rey extremely overpowered (to make light of how overpowered she is in the movies with little to none training).

I've seen the faction cycle with 40k. You need several options to entice new players into the game. My biggest complaint about the CW content is the large delay between releases. This puts off new players who are trying to get into the game as the CW factions. If they were to release sequel factions then they need to be completely playable (either as a sub faction or with enough content to field a reliable army). 

I currently don't see enough content for them to field much of an army. I know we will get another movie, but I still don't think that will be enough. Remember, the CW has had it's own TV show and several books worth of content. The same goes with the GCW. FO/Resistance conflict was recently introduced (poorly). The worst thing they could do is invest a lot of time and money into a faction that feels subpar or unfinished. 

If they are able to come up with a legitimate roster for both factions AND distinctive armor / outfits, then I'm totally on board with these factions. I just don't want these to be rip off GCW factions. 

[Asvaldir 82]

7 hours ago, Draycos said:

First order Idea: 

Core unit

First Order Storm troopers

Trooper, 36 points

3 Trooper models

1 health, 2 courage

Indoctrinated (This Unit cannot become panicked. During the rally step this unit rolls red dice. Remove one suppression for each Block result rolled.)

Attack: 2 White dice range 1-3, 1 black die Melee

Defense: 1 Red

No surge

Slots: Heavy, Personnel x2 (option of adding up to two generic troopers [12 points each]), Training?, Gear, Grenade

---------------------------------------------

Heavy:

FWMP-10 First Order Trooper (28? points)

First order troopers only

3 black dice

Targeting assist 2: When this weapon is added to an attack you may change up to 2 surge results to hits. 

 

I like the courage 2 and indoctrinated, heavily resistant to the effects of suppression feels accurate to me for the high moral troops of the First Order. Completely immune to panic feels a bit much though, with courage 2 and red dice to get rid of suppression they are already in good shape to be highly resistant to panic. Also they should be 4 troopers, FO stormtroopers combat wise don't really feel much more elite than imperial stormtroopers, and I don't feel like they should be a particularly low model count army. I also feel like 2 white long range feels off, their gun is pretty much the same as the E-11, I'd either make them 1 white with surge and precise, or just black.  FWMP feels like a pretty high rate of fire weapon, I might actually make it 4 black. 

I do think FO almost has enough units to somewhat fill out a full roster, there's also "x trooper" variants to use to make up for more units, and Episode 9 will probably add in a couple more ideas. I must say I don't really think the Resistance makes the cut just yet, besides the speeders on Craite and basic troopers, we've seen almost nothing so far. Perhaps there is more from other sources that I'm unfamiliar with. 

Regardless, I do still strongly feel that the breaks need to be put on the desire for squeal factions.  and the CW factions need to have at least 2+ choices in each category before the focus is taken off them. I definetly agree with R3dReVenge, factions need variety to keep people engaged. 

[EVIL INC 207]

Red, trolling is a fishing term. it is when you cast your line trying to catch something. To put it into internet forum terms, your casting lines trying to instigate arguments out of nothing in order to disrupt the well being of a forum.this is exactly what you have been doing. People who were not aware of the source of the term started calling people who did it "trolls" not understanding that it did not actually involve trolls but the term still stuck. if you wish to speak to me or insult or any of the other things you have been doing with your snide comments, spamming of untrue statements, make use of the PM function of the forum so it does not clog up the discussion. I have already reported your posts and I encourage anyone else to do so as well. We just do not want to hear you argueing. In other words, contribute or move along.

We already currently have more than enough to fill all force organization slots with units to spare.  I have seen this faction cycle in 40k. They pretty much reskin the models by having different color schemes for marines and eldar and chaos marines and guard and others where they have entirely different armies that have the exact same units. With only a few extra units tagged on. They literally have hundreds of different armies all with different color schemes but identical otherwise identical. Attached is an example of successor chapters that give just a tiny fraction that proves it. They make a lot of money by doing this. Going fro empire to FO is much easier because we already have the commanders  and units plus the added bonus of having extra special rules like indoctinated. We have a host of ideas already that can flesh out an entire faction and make it stand out as uniuqe (exacpt for a color scheme that is very close (even with that, we have examples of differences with chrome and red armored units). Side note, I personally used models from multiple different guard "factions" in my own just because I liked their looks. I went and spent moneyon models for theexpress reason that I liked their looks or poses forvariety. Every player I have even known has done the same just as i am sure empire and fo players here would in many cases.

If you go back through the pages, you will see othe threads that are also full of ideas (of course, I did not perform necromancy to bring them back). I'm sure that after this one gets off of the first page there will be others, also full of ideas. It will likely be years and likely an edition before we see the newer factions but now is the time to discuss it  while they are still in the "ideas" phase with the creating company itself because they might look at these threads and pull ideas when they start working on development and points.

Keep the ideas comingand when this thread is gone, keep them coming into the next one. Someone should work on a scum one (perhaps one overall force with different time era commanders... I dont know).

Edited August 23, 2019 by EVIL INC

[GhengisharnIV 49]

8 hours ago, EVIL INC said:

Red, trolling is a fishing term. it is when you cast your line trying to catch something. To put it into internet forum terms, your casting lines trying to instigate arguments out of nothing in order to disrupt the well being of a forum.this is exactly what you have been doing. People who were not aware of the source of the term started calling people who did it "trolls" not understanding that it did not actually involve trolls but the term still stuck. if you wish to speak to me or insult or any of the other things you have been doing with your snide comments, spamming of untrue statements, make use of the PM function of the forum so it does not clog up the discussion. I have already reported your posts and I encourage anyone else to do so as well. We just do not want to hear you argueing. In other words, contribute or move along.

We already currently have more than enough to fill all force organization slots with units to spare.  I have seen this faction cycle in 40k. They pretty much reskin the models by having different color schemes for marines and eldar and chaos marines and guard and others where they have entirely different armies that have the exact same units. With only a few extra units tagged on. They literally have hundreds of different armies all with different color schemes but identical otherwise identical. Attached is an example of successor chapters that give just a tiny fraction that proves it. They make a lot of money by doing this. Going fro empire to FO is much easier because we already have the commanders  and units plus the added bonus of having extra special rules like indoctinated. We have a host of ideas already that can flesh out an entire faction and make it stand out as uniuqe (exacpt for a color scheme that is very close (even with that, we have examples of differences with chrome and red armored units). Side note, I personally used models from multiple different guard "factions" in my own just because I liked their looks. I went and spent moneyon models for theexpress reason that I liked their looks or poses forvariety. Every player I have even known has done the same just as i am sure empire and fo players here would in many cases.

If you go back through the pages, you will see othe threads that are also full of ideas (of course, I did not perform necromancy to bring them back). I'm sure that after this one gets off of the first page there will be others, also full of ideas. It will likely be years and likely an edition before we see the newer factions but now is the time to discuss it  while they are still in the "ideas" phase with the creating company itself because they might look at these threads and pull ideas when they start working on development and points.

Keep the ideas comingand when this thread is gone, keep them coming into the next one. Someone should work on a scum one (perhaps one overall force with different time era commanders... I dont know).

...so there it is...another GamesWorkshop fanboy (named none other than “EVIL INC” haha obvious troll etc.) posting on a very reputable firm’s paid for site. Visitors of all ages and intellect  here are too polite to tell you and your ilk (includes Coriolanus) you are behaving as a troll...the very label you wickedly apply to others...enjoy the companionship of fools and keep believing money spent on product equals a voice that is relevant. You people continually set traps to have dissenters from your own imaginations banned due to delusion and control issues. Many fans of Legion and other great FFG product come here for Star Wars community and little else. Wanna PM me? Go ahead and enjoy the response so you can share...FFGSYSOPS and moderators, please make contact before issuing warning or worse. Genghis Sharn is waiting as needed to clarify...

May the Force be With You : )

 

Edited August 23, 2019 by GhengisharnIV
50 plus year old, poor eyesight, tired and grumpy

[Draycos 98]

9 hours ago, Asvaldir said:

 

I like the courage 2 and indoctrinated, heavily resistant to the effects of suppression feels accurate to me for the high moral troops of the First Order. Completely immune to panic feels a bit much though, with courage 2 and red dice to get rid of suppression they are already in good shape to be highly resistant to panic. Also they should be 4 troopers, FO stormtroopers combat wise don't really feel much more elite than imperial stormtroopers, and I don't feel like they should be a particularly low model count army. I also feel like 2 white long range feels off, their gun is pretty much the same as the E-11, I'd either make them 1 white with surge and precise, or just black.  FWMP feels like a pretty high rate of fire weapon, I might actually make it 4 black. 

I do think FO almost has enough units to somewhat fill out a full roster, there's also "x trooper" variants to use to make up for more units, and Episode 9 will probably add in a couple more ideas. I must say I don't really think the Resistance makes the cut just yet, besides the speeders on Craite and basic troopers, we've seen almost nothing so far. Perhaps there is more from other sources that I'm unfamiliar with. 

Regardless, I do still strongly feel that the breaks need to be put on the desire for squeal factions.  and the CW factions need to have at least 2+ choices in each category before the focus is taken off them. I definetly agree with R3dReVenge, factions need variety to keep people engaged. 

Here was my thinking: the Panic clause might not be necessary but wasn't sure. The 2 white attack dice was something I added just to avoid giving them Clone Stats. More chance to deal damage but also less accurate. My idea of having them be 3 troopers was to suggest the smaller size of the first order and I would mirror it with the resistance (they would have more options in what they can add). The First Order Troopers can add up to two personnel putting them in line with everyone else.

That said, I appreciate the feed back! My goal was to point out that there is still design space for these factions but it was a fun thought exercise too!

[R3dReVenge 441]

9 hours ago, EVIL INC said:

Red, trolling is a fishing term. it is when you cast your line trying to catch something. To put it into internet forum terms, your casting lines trying to instigate arguments out of nothing in order to disrupt the well being of a forum.this is exactly what you have been doing. People who were not aware of the source of the term started calling people who did it "trolls" not understanding that it did not actually involve trolls but the term still stuck. if you wish to speak to me or insult or any of the other things you have been doing with your snide comments, spamming of untrue statements, make use of the PM function of the forum so it does not clog up the discussion. I have already reported your posts and I encourage anyone else to do so as well. We just do not want to hear you argueing. In other words, contribute or move along.

I got a good laugh out of this. The report option is there to be a therapeutic treatment for people that aren't able to cope with other's opinions, or the easily offended. I haven't broken the forum rules, I haven't insulted anyone, etc. There are cases when reporting is necessary (for users who use hate speech, foul language, etc), but this isn't one of them. Do what you like though lol.

I stated what I feel, and you're trying to suppress that. Maybe the forums aren't the place for you then? The forums are filled with a variety of different opinions that create discussion and challenge one's beliefs. 

9 hours ago, EVIL INC said:

We already currently have more than enough to fill all force organization slots with units to spare.  I have seen this faction cycle in 40k. They pretty much reskin the models by having different color schemes for marines and eldar and chaos marines and guard and others where they have entirely different armies that have the exact same units. With only a few extra units tagged on. They literally have hundreds of different armies all with different color schemes but identical otherwise identical. Attached is an example of successor chapters that give just a tiny fraction that proves it. They make a lot of money by doing this. Going fro empire to FO is much easier because we already have the commanders  and units plus the added bonus of having extra special rules like indoctinated. We have a host of ideas already that can flesh out an entire faction and make it stand out as uniuqe (exacpt for a color scheme that is very close (even with that, we have examples of differences with chrome and red armored units).

Show me. List out the force organization. What units are available for these factions? The best way to "get me on your side" is to prove it. Let's brainstorm the basis for these factions. 

You don't fully understand the 40k cycle. It's pretty clear based on your post. I'm not going to go deep into detail, but what you're showing is equivalent to CW legions. Different 40K chapters have a complete different color scheme and in some cases, have access to a few specialized elite units. Some legions are designed to hunt down one alien type while others are designed to hunt down another. Each 40k chapter has several unique commanders that run the chapter. I don't see how it's easier to go from Empire -> FO. 

[EVIL INC 207]

You have broken the forum rules not by presenting opinions but by intentionally creating disruption and attempting to instigate arguments along with spamming. No one is saying that you do not have a right to an opinion. the thing is,you presented your opinion as a fact when it is not and are now trying to shout down anyone who opinion differs from your own. You are showing a lack of knowledge in the star war mythos and have now demonstrated a complete lack of knowledge on the 40k mythos and marketing. Thats ok, I myself am not as knowledgeable about star ways mythos as most here but you would be hard pressed to find anyone with more on 40k. I proved the example on that front (36 years of playing and working in that arena both as a player/collector and retailer). If you wish to continue that conversation use the PM function. BUT, since you claim to have "only presented an opinion" (lol) you are int interested in participating in a constructive manner, the door is over there. make use of it. if you wish to participate constructively, you may stay. But trolling will be addressed each time you do so.

List of units for FO-

Basic stormtrooper, Scout troopers, snow troopers, imperial guard, navy soldiers, possibly droid units, special characters, pretty much anything the empire had with differences and variations along with possible new ones. 

The key is not coming up with new units. After all, the empire was not totally eradicated with the FO coming out of nowhere with an all new idea. The FO came out of the empire using it's structure with  anew way of running things and new recruitment  and so forth (and we already have a host of ideas that demonstrate how this can be should in the units "in game" including rules for indoctrinated and the addition of close combat weapons for leaders). At the end of the day,even if there were no changes, no new recruitment and training, the new leaders would make it a different army. A small example is phasma. Look in x wing at the new rules she brings. a similar rule for her in legion would make her a force to be reckoned with. My opinion is that what we need to do is create a civil and polite series of discussions on the topic to talk about possible ideas for units, possible ways to change existing units (or reasons to not change them) so that FF developers can see our take on it while they are still in the development phase. As has already been proven, they have more than enough to make a full faction in their own right. Its just as matter of how many years before we see it.

Edited August 23, 2019 by EVIL INC

[R3dReVenge 441]

5 minutes ago, EVIL INC said:

You have broken the forum rules not by presenting opinions but by intentionally creating disruption and attempting to instigate arguments. No one is saying that you do not have a right to an opinion. the thing is,you presented your opinion as a fact when it is not and are now trying to shout down anyone who opinion differs from your own. You are showing a lack of knowledge in the star war mythos and have now demonstrated a complete lack of knowledge on the 40k mythos and marketing. Thats ok, I myself am not as knowledgeable about star ways mythos as most here but you would be hard pressed to find anyone with more on 40k. I proved the example on that front (36 years of playing and working in that arena both as a player/collector and retailer). If you wish to continue that conversation use the PM function. BUT, since you claim to have "only presented an opinion" (lol) you are int interested in participating in a constructive manner, the door is over there. make use of it. if you wish to participate constructively, you may stay. But trolling will be addressed each time you do so.

In summary: "Don't post if you have a different opinion than the thread's creator." Differing opinions will always lead to discussion and debates. Like I said earlier, if you don't want to engage in differing discussion, then don't post on the forums. You will only become frustrated because there will always be someone who disagrees with you.

I rate star wars fans on a scale from 1-10. Early numbers are people that hate the movies (aren't fans). 5-6 are people who enjoy the star wars franchise, watch the movies, but aren't deeply involved in the mythos/comics/etc. High numbers are the typical fans on here. These are the people that will fight tooth and nail over a star wars model being exactly to scale to the movies. They read all the books, watch every show, etc. I rate myself as a fan level 5-6. I love the franchise, but will pick and choose what I watch/play/and follow.

Your 40k post was very uninformed (you referred to different 40k space marine chapters as different "armies"). To me this shows a lack of knowledge about the franchise. 

15 minutes ago, EVIL INC said:

List of units for FO-

Basic stormtrooper, Scout troopers, snow troopers, imperial guard, navy soldiers, possibly droid units, special characters, pretty much anything the empire had with differences and variations along with possible new ones. 

So basically empire reskinned. My whole point of making them a sub faction.

[TauntaunScout 4,276]

I still reject the term “re-skin” in regards to miniatures.

I now want sequel armies more than ever. Even though I won’t buy anything for them. 

[Draycos 98]

How would people feel if the First Order and Resistance were added as Mini factions? Max of maybe two options per slot. No planned future releases, but we wait until after episode IX so as to not miss out on anything. Sell them as single faction boxes. Core set price, comes with Two different commanders, 1-2 Operatives, core units of 2 different types (2-3 each), Vehicle, and support option. Then sell 2 - 3 extras for each faction as applicable.

I don't like the idea of FO/Resistance being played teamed up with the Imperial or Rebel stuff, but that is personal opinion. It bothered me when that was the case for X-wing™️. 

The idea of Mini factions would also give us a good spot for armies like Ewoks, Gungans, Mandalorians, or Hondo's crew. This would facilitate a rule that allows "core" armies (Imperials,Rebels, GAR,CIS) to take a unit or two as part of their list and vice versa.

For an example, Ewoks:

Core set:

Wicket and Chief Chirpa

2-3 Squads of Slingshot and Spear Ewoks (range 1-2, strong melee)

2-3 Squads of Bow and club Ewoks (1-3, weaker melee)

Glider Vehicle

Catapult

(Ewoks armies can include Han, Leia, and/or Chewbacca and up to one unit of Rebel troopers) 

[EVIL INC 207]

3 hours ago, TauntaunScout said:

I still reject the term “re-skin” in regards to miniatures.

I now want sequel armies more than ever. Even though I won’t buy anything for them. 

Your right. Many who are new to wargaming, especially miniature wargaming just do not know what they are talking about. We saw in warhammer 40k where so many armies have the exact same units and options can be entirely different armies with the simple addition of different commanders and an odd extra unit or two. AND GW rakes the money in being the single largest and most easily recognizable franchise in the business.

Of course, they would have many units that are identical (they took over a system already set in place after all) Of course, we have already seen that they altered those units already with new indoctination which would give improved stats, new leadership at a squad level (including close combat leaders (possibly low level force users), Introduced new units such as jump pack squads and red armored troops (I like the idea of them being sith soldiers set out to find fledgling force users) and others not to mention other ways current units could be envisioned. Not to mention that we only see a fraction of the overall organization.

Of course, it will likely be years before we see anything, possibly an edition away and at least one more movie to go. Making them a subfaction is doable but it would not do them justice, especially in the ways leadership affects a force and HOW it is used.

I think some here just enjoy drama so they troll and insult and break forum rules just to rack up a high post count and get their jollies. Thats why I set red and ghenghis to my ignore list. They really ought to address him having multiple accounts.

Edited August 23, 2019 by EVIL INC

[TauntaunScout 4,276]

Just altered heavies would change rebels and imperials. So it’s not like you even need crazy new abilities. 

[R3dReVenge 441]

2 hours ago, EVIL INC said:

Your right. Many who are new to wargaming, especially miniature wargaming just do not know what they are talking about. We saw in warhammer 40k where so many armies have the exact same units and options can be entirely different armies with the simple addition of different commanders and an odd extra unit or two. AND GW rakes the money in being the single largest and most easily recognizable franchise in the business.

Of course, they would have many units that are identical (they took over a system already set in place after all) Of course, we have already seen that they altered those units already with new indoctination which would give improved stats, new leadership at a squad level (including close combat leaders (possibly low level force users), Introduced new units such as jump pack squads and red armored troops (I like the idea of them being sith soldiers set out to find fledgling force users) and others not to mention other ways current units could be envisioned. Not to mention that we only see a fraction of the overall organization.

Of course, it will likely be years before we see anything, possibly an edition away and at least one more movie to go. Making them a subfaction is doable but it would not do them justice, especially in the ways leadership affects a force and HOW it is used.

I think some here just enjoy drama so they troll and insult and break forum rules just to rack up a high post count and get their jollies. Thats why I set red and ghenghis to my ignore list. They really ought to address him having multiple accounts.

Can’t even cope that multiple people disagreeing with you...

Edited August 23, 2019 by R3dReVenge

[Asvaldir 82]

7 hours ago, Draycos said:

Here was my thinking: the Panic clause might not be necessary but wasn't sure. The 2 white attack dice was something I added just to avoid giving them Clone Stats. More chance to deal damage but also less accurate. My idea of having them be 3 troopers was to suggest the smaller size of the first order and I would mirror it with the resistance (they would have more options in what they can add). The First Order Troopers can add up to two personnel putting them in line with everyone else.

That said, I appreciate the feed back! My goal was to point out that there is still design space for these factions but it was a fun thought exercise too!

The panic thing isn't needed, red dice for rally and courage 2 makes them highly resilient already. 2 Whites just for the sake of being different doesn't seem necessary to me, I think they should pretty much be the same as stormtroopers in terms of shooting given their blasters are pretty similar, I'd just have their heavy weapon be different. Not entirely sure what the heavy weapon should be like, I don't really know what it's like but I definetly wouldn't make it DLT stats. Thing is about the 3 troopers, the First Order really isn't small, they have a massive army and fleet by the time of Episode XII given they are launching a massive reconquest of the galaxy, they really should be just standard squad size. 

 

[TauntaunScout 4,276]

I don’t like giving them better morale. I would keep them the same except for heavies. 

I don’t think this forum has any real trolls. Just bored people who post too much. That’s what I am, when I create drama on here. 

[R3dReVenge 441]

7 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

I don’t like giving them better morale. I would keep them the same except for heavies. 

I don’t think this forum has any real trolls. Just bored people who post too much. That’s what I am, when I create drama on here. 

It’s a good break from looking at teeth all day.

[EVIL INC 207]

Red and his alter egos must REALLY be bored. lol. If he spent even a fraction of the energy he puts into trying to instigate arguments on actually being productive, he would be worth listening too.of course, it could be a mental disorder he is suffering from where he is unable to cope with anyone disagreeing with him. I personally have no issue with him having a different opinion or not agreeing with me. Just his constant spamming trying to beat anyone who disagrees with him down until they fall into his little concept of how folks should think.

I agree on the morale. I think boosting it too much in game would up the points value of them too much. possibly being able to up the morale on a single squad. or maybe the ability to upgrade a squad leader giving the player the option of using it or not based on their preference or view?

Edited August 23, 2019 by EVIL INC

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8 minutes ago, EVIL INC said:

Red and his alter egos must REALLY be bored. lol. If he spent even a fraction of the energy he puts into trying to instigate arguments on actually being productive, he would be worth listening too.

I agree on the morale. I think boosting it too much in game would up the points value of them too much. possibly being able to up the morale on a single squad. or maybe the ability to upgrade a squad leader giving the player the option of using it or not based on their preference or view?

Haha

As I've stated earlier in this thread, their will always be someone that disagrees with you. I've realized that me and you will never agree on this topic and that's ok. I'm passed that, but it seems that you aren't and that you're still struggling with that fact. Once you realize that this is the problem, you will be much happier with yourself. 

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On 8/24/2019 at 7:40 AM, EVIL INC said:

Red... he would be worth listening too.of course, it could be a mental disorder he is suffering from where he is unable to cope with anyone disagreeing with him. I personally have no issue with him having a different opinion or not agreeing with me. Just his constant spamming trying to beat anyone who disagrees with him down until they fall into his little concept of how folks should think...

Calls a forum member out for gender (‘he”j and mental health possible bias but says has no trouble with how others think (just do not express your opinion here haha). Keep waiting for the little white and blue hearts from your fellow trolls and you will feel better soon enough. Love Trumps evil inc?

When FFG release the double lightsaber attack die for Rey (can they be compared to future Maul) I do not think your assessment of their (gender neutral, non-specific) red dice by R3d is completely a troll. If it was, you took the bait along with your heart friend.

Rey May end up a force as powerful as Maul in the Legion game and give the First Order a powerful enemy to combat. Perhaps to use a derisive term in some circles, a re-skin only however as the creative options close down for future variants (much like many popular computer games). The wheel has already been invented. Similar to the subject matter of this thread.

I like weatherman Phil’s advice to the groundhog...don’t drive angry...

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On 8/23/2019 at 12:14 AM, EVIL INC said:

Red, trolling is a fishing term. it is when you cast your line trying to catch something. To put it into internet forum terms, your casting lines trying to instigate arguments out of nothing in order to disrupt the well being of a forum.this is exactly what you have been doing. People who were not aware of the source of the term started calling people who did it "trolls" not understanding that it did not actually involve trolls but the term still stuck. if you wish to speak to me or insult or any of the other things you have been doing with your snide comments, spamming of untrue statements, make use of the PM function of the forum so it does not clog up the discussion. I have already reported your posts and I encourage anyone else to do so as well. We just do not want to hear you argueing. In other words, contribute or move along.

We already currently have more than enough to fill all force organization slots with units to spare.  I have seen this faction cycle in 40k. They pretty much reskin the models by having different color schemes for marines and eldar and chaos marines and guard and others where they have entirely different armies that have the exact same units. With only a few extra units tagged on. They literally have hundreds of different armies all with different color schemes but identical otherwise identical. Attached is an example of successor chapters that give just a tiny fraction that proves it. They make a lot of money by doing this. Going fro empire to FO is much easier because we already have the commanders  and units plus the added bonus of having extra special rules like indoctinated. We have a host of ideas already that can flesh out an entire faction and make it stand out as uniuqe (exacpt for a color scheme that is very close (even with that, we have examples of differences with chrome and red armored units). Side note, I personally used models from multiple different guard "factions" in my own just because I liked their looks. I went and spent moneyon models for theexpress reason that I liked their looks or poses forvariety. Every player I have even known has done the same just as i am sure empire and fo players here would in many cases.

If you go back through the pages, you will see othe threads that are also full of ideas (of course, I did not perform necromancy to bring them back). I'm sure that after this one gets off of the first page there will be others, also full of ideas. It will likely be years and likely an edition before we see the newer factions but now is the time to discuss it  while they are still in the "ideas" phase with the creating company itself because they might look at these threads and pull ideas when they start working on development and points.

Keep the ideas comingand when this thread is gone, keep them coming into the next one. Someone should work on a scum one (perhaps one overall force with different time era commanders... I dont know).

Yes the space marines share many units but each chapter was mechanically different preferring specific tactics and having different bonuses.  I agree the first order has sufficient units but what is going to make them mechanically different from the Empire game wise?