bitzurock 2 Posted August 11, 2019 Hi! If i attach Sword of Morthond on a gondor ally (example: Denethor leadership) he gains Outlands trait. What about if i attach also Sword-thain and becomes a hero? Does it loose the Outlands trait? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sappidus 531 Posted August 11, 2019 The character will indeed lose the Outlands trait. Constant abilities—like both of these cards have—aren't really applied "one at a time" (as opposed to what happens when you have multiple abilities with the same trigger condition/timing). i.e., it's not like you go, "OK, I resolve Sword of Morthond first, granting this ally the Outlands trait. Now I resolve Sword-thain, making this ally a hero!" Instead, constant abilities are, well, constant and continually adjusting to changes in the game state. In this case, Sword-thain's effect is detected by Sword of Morthond's effect, functionally shutting it off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dalestephenson 1,482 Posted August 11, 2019 Sadly all the "attach to ally" cards use the wording "attached ally" for their effect and cease to function with Sword-Thain. But they don't cease to be attached, so if you moved Sword Thain to another ally with Bartering, it would start working again. Most of the heroic attachments are the same way, and would cease to work once Sword-Thain is gone. The exceptions are ones that affect things *other* than the character, such as Asfaloth or Legacy or Durin. The only ones that attach to a hero but then reference a character are Warden of Anor, Raven Winged Helm, Arod (to cover the Legolas ally), Windfola (to cover a non-existent Eowyn ally), and Glamdring (to cover the Gandalf allies). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sappidus 531 Posted August 12, 2019 1 hour ago, dalestephenson said: Most of the heroic attachments are the same way, and would cease to work once Sword-Thain is gone. The exceptions are ones that affect things *other* than the character, such as Asfaloth or Legacy or Durin. The only ones that attach to a hero but then reference a character are Warden of Anor, Raven Winged Helm, Arod (to cover the Legolas ally), Windfola (to cover a non-existent Eowyn ally), and Glamdring (to cover the Gandalf allies). One somewhat amusing case is Dark Knowledge, which fails to (negatively) affect willpower if the hero is de-knighted, but can be continued to be used for its triggered effect. 1 Wandalf the Gizzard reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bitzurock 2 Posted August 12, 2019 Thank you! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
player3351457 167 Posted October 16, 2019 I assume, then, that a combo of Defender of the West and Sword-thain doesn't allow for a rotating hero akin to the saga heroes? 😕 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wandalf the Gizzard 370 Posted October 16, 2019 Nope Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alonewolf87 304 Posted October 16, 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, player3351457 said: I assume, then, that a combo of Defender of the West and Sword-thain doesn't allow for a rotating hero akin to the saga heroes? 😕 Correct, since in the part about the first player "takes control of" it clearly says "ally" and not "character". Edited October 16, 2019 by Alonewolf87 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sappidus 531 Posted October 16, 2019 Ceorl with Sword-thain is an expensive way to simulate a rotating Saga hero. (Add a Song of Travel to him so he can pay for himself…) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
